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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Not me! This just tells me there's real,
passionate people out there. Besides, it beats the heck out of the typical "My
green check marks aren't green enough" posts that are the usual fare
here.</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=gary.oldham@adelphia.net href="mailto:gary.oldham@adelphia.net">Gary
Oldham</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=wxqc@lists.gladstonefamily.net
href="mailto:wxqc@lists.gladstonefamily.net">Discussion of weather data
quality issues</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=steve@dimse.com
href="mailto:steve@dimse.com">Steve Dimse</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 06, 2007 7:36
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [personal] Re: [wxqc] CWOP
server status</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Maybe this whole p***ing match could be taken off line? I
think only two people or so seem to really care about this schoolyard
nonsense, and to quote a line from one of these barbs, this whole public
"debate" is "making the system look amateurish to the NWS" and to all the rest
of us for that matter.<BR><BR>I appreciate anyone who expends efforts
supporting CWOP, and I think that includes both the folks continuing this
private feud in a very public forum.<BR><BR>If it continues, I fear many
people will drop off this list which is supposed to be for discussion of
weather quality issues.<BR><BR>Gary<BR>CW0146<BR>---- Steve Dimse <<A
href="mailto:steve@dimse.com">steve@dimse.com</A>> wrote:
<BR><BR>=============<BR><BR>On Jan 6, 2007, at 10:03 PM, <A
href="mailto:dick@kb7zva.com">dick@kb7zva.com</A> wrote:<BR>><BR>> I
love it. That was a private message to Dave Helms and Russ Chadwick<BR>>
and you only quoted the part you were interested in. Does this mean I<BR>>
can quote your private emails.<BR><BR>You can, if it contradicts something I'm
saying publicly. I have my <BR>flaws, but I don't tell people that
depend on my system I quit, turn <BR>off the servers, deprive the public
of the benefits of the reports of <BR>thousands of stations, then turn
around and tell the public "I'm here <BR>for you".<BR><BR>> The only
reason they probably sent you<BR>> a copy was because it explained what
Phil was really feeling about <BR>> you.<BR><BR>No, they sent me and
the core sysops the message because they realize <BR>the impact your
childish actions would have on our system, so that <BR>would could act
to minimize the problems you caused. We spent all day <BR>doing this,
and we succeeded.<BR>><BR>> I don't understand why you didn't quote the
message in it's entire <BR>> form,<BR>> where Phil mentioned his
support of the CWOP's.<BR><BR>OK, since you want it quoted in its entirety,
I'm glad to do so so <BR>there is no question of the tone. I only quoted
the smallest amount <BR>necessary to prove the public statement was in
contradiction to an <BR>earlier abandonment of CWOP. The entire message
is at the bottom of <BR>this page.<BR><BR>Yes, Phil supported the CWOP,
when it benefited him. When it didn't, <BR>he dumped it, losing data and
making the system look amateurish to <BR>the NWS. Those of us that truly
support CWOP are still here, making <BR>it work.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Here
is the full message for all to enjoy, at Dick's request:<BR><BR>From: "Phillip
B. Pacier" <<A href="mailto:ad6nh@arrl.net">ad6nh@arrl.net</A>><BR>Date:
January 6, 2007 11:21:56 AM EST (CA)<BR>To: <<A
href="mailto:dshelms@comcast.net">dshelms@comcast.net</A>>, <<A
href="mailto:Russell.B.Chadwick@noaa.gov">Russell.B.Chadwick@noaa.gov</A>><BR>Cc:
"Stanich, Dick" <<A
href="mailto:dick@kb7zva.com">dick@kb7zva.com</A>><BR>Subject: A Time for
Change<BR><BR><BR>Hello, gentlemen. I have been privy to all of the
conversations of the<BR>past couple of months, but have remained largely
silent while trying to<BR>figure out what's best to do. We at Tier 2
have come up with what we<BR>think is the best possible plan for
everyone. We will be ending our<BR>involvement with the CWOP
program.<BR><BR>This whole venture has come to the point where it is no
longer<BR>enjoyable. I do not wish to continue to subject my Tier 2
sysops to the<BR>propaganda, personal attacks, and irresponsibilities of Steve
Dimse.<BR>Your suggestion to have a single rotate address involve both Tier 2
and<BR>core servers - did you run that one by Steve yet? That should
generate<BR>an amusing response for you to read. Additionally, that
would break<BR>down the Tiered architecture that we believe is the best choice
for the<BR>health of the APRS-IS in general. Any time we have mentioned
any idea<BR>along the lines of cooperation between the tiers has led to
personal<BR>attacks mainly from Steve. Remember, we have been doing this
for over 5<BR>years now - longer than the CWOP program has been around, and so
we have<BR>a lot of information on which to base this. Steve, and to a
lesser<BR>extent the three core server sysops, have shown over the years that
they<BR>will not work with us in any way, shape, or form. This is
venture is no<BR>longer in the spirit of ham radio, APRS, or even anything
remotely fun.<BR><BR>Steve apparently has the answer to your problem, and
wants all 3,500+ CW<BR>users to connect to the core servers. He will now
have just that. I<BR>personally will continue to support the CWOP
program by sending my own<BR>weather data in and encouraging other stations to
sign up. But the four<BR>Tier 2 servers that have been dedicated to the
sole purpose of gathering<BR>weather data and sending it through the APRS-IS
for the purpose of the<BR>MADIS program will now be shut down. It's too
bad, and I am sorry, but<BR>it's just no longer worth it.<BR><BR>I wish you
all the best of luck with your program, and will enjoy<BR>watching the
membership climb beyond 4000 members this year.<BR><BR>-- <BR>Phillip Pacier -
AD6NH APRS Tier 2 Coordinator<BR>Sales Associate Baker to Vegas Digital
Coordinator<BR>Ham Radio Outlet, Anaheim <A
href="http://www.aprs2.net">www.aprs2.net</A><BR>714-533-7373 <A
href="http://www.aprsca.net">www.aprsca.net</A><BR>800-854-6046 <A
href="http://www.b2vtracking.com">www.b2vtracking.com</A><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>wxqc
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