[wxqc] LaCrosse 2317

Wed Jun 4 10:52:00 CDT 2008

LeRoy:

Under stand that, but the Lacrosse is using red, green, yellow, black. But
they are not cross over cables, but I cannot guarantee that? 

On the rain gauge it is using 2 wires and I cannot remember without going
back up on the roof and pulling the cover off, which ones they are using. I
think it was red & green. Yellow Black spare? 

The other cable that comes from the vane is also using red, green, yellow,
black. But don't know what the circuit uses for the data, and power 4.5 DC
Volts and I am using the AC adaptor to power all of it, and the batters are
for back/up (Power Outage) 

I don't have a circuit diagram for the Lacrosse 2317

Thanks for your input.

Ron

DW0573

-------Original Message-------

From: LeRoy CW4803

Date: 6/4/2008 9:05:05 AM

To: Discussion of weather data quality issues

Subject: Re: [wxqc] LaCrosse 2317

Those cables that you get at radio shack,  Wal-Mart, etc. transpose the
pairs from one end to the other. That is 1=red 2= green 3= yellow 4= black
on one end 4=red 3=green 2=yellow 1= black on the other are called crossover
cables and if you look on the package it should so state.  Used for
connecting such thing as two computers together or two T1 spans, ect.. T1&R1
go to T&R.  The xmit of one goes to the rec of the other.

31 year phone man, 9 years I&R/PBX, 21 years CO maintainer ( both step x
step and digital switches) 1 year Special Services Tester

LeRoy

CW4803

Ron

You understand about moisture then.

I don’t blame you not wanting to dig too deep being under warranty. 

I remembered a case of trouble where the RJ jack on a T1 demark, one of the
wires in the female connector did not have enough tension and was just
barely making contact with the Male connector.  Drove us nuts for awhile
because it would work for awhile after unplugging and reinserting the male
plug, and then start causing errors.  And this was right from the factory.

I have a Peet Bros station and it uses the RJ jacks also. On there website
they mentioned that the some extension cables you buy from radio shack, 
Wal-Mart, etc. transpose the pairs from one end to the other. That is 1=red
2= green 3= yellow 4= black on one end 4=red 3=green 2=yellow 1= black on
the other. They also suggest using silicone dielectric compound on all there
outside RJ contacts.  Another thing Peet Bros does is if you have a problem
and need an exchange, or do an upgrade with an exchange they send you the
part usually over night then give you a couple of weeks to get the old part
back to them giving you little or no down time.

24.5  years with GTE.  I Retired right after it changed to Verizon.  +- 10
years CO maintainer, +- 15 years span, T1, Hicap, and fiber optic
maintenance.   not every one has Phone company experience.

Jim

From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net [mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists
gladstonefamily.net] On Behalf Of deertrail131

Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 11:23 AM

To: Discussion of weather data quality issues

Cc: wd0bdq

Subject: Re: [wxqc] LaCrosse 2317

Jim:

I am also an retired phone person to with 25 years with Mountain Bell at one
time, MCI and Quest. This is a new LaCroose 2317 and new cables, I also
thought of that too about the connection with the RJ jacks, male & female. 

Maybe the problem is in the sensor rain connection? And under warranty for 1
year, I don't want to touch that inside the connector of the sensor. 

I even added an extender adaptor with more cable and plus change ends and
that did not help. I might have to go to radio shack & pick up some spray
type contact cleaner and try that. That would be so much eraser that all the
other thing and suggestion with other help to solve the problem.   

http://www.qrz.com/callsign/WD0BDQ

Thanks

Ron

-------Original Message-------

From: Jim Crumly

Date: 6/3/2008 11:39:55 AM

To: 'Discussion of weather data quality issues'

Subject: Re: [wxqc] LaCrosse 2317

Ron

Being an EX phone man.

And after following this thread I had the following thoughts.  have you
tried to clean the connectors.  spray type contact cleaner works well on
phone type jack contacts clean both male & female, also make sure the wires
inside the female connector are not crushed and have some spring tension.  
They can be tensioned with a piece of stiff small (small paper clip)
diameter wire.  Be sure to check both ends.  If you are using a silicone
dielectric compound it will deteriorate over time.

Some times just the re connecting of the plug gets enough corrosion off to
make contact for a little bit,  then it re corrodes especially if there is
no spring tension.  Moisture is the biggest problem with phone type jacks.

Jim Crumly

CW4367

From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net [mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists
gladstonefamily.net] On Behalf Of deertrail131

Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 8:58 AM

To: Discussion of weather data quality issues

Cc: wd0bdq

Subject: Re: [wxqc] LaCrosse 2317

Victor:

Is it the cable connecting the rain sensor to the temp/hygro unit you're
talking about? YES.....!

OK on you information and the manual that you have read, I also read it too!
Plus I know that it takes up to 2 minutes to display the rain values when it
rains on the display. Last night we got some rain, I have an outside tube
rain gauge and it read 0.30 or 1/3 inches of rain. 

On the LaCrosse rain gauge nothing at all. Now I am going to disconnect the
phone jack to the sensor that the rain gauge is on, then reconnect it. Now
it show the rain from this early this morning June 3rd of 0.24 inches, which
is more actuate that the tube.

Plus, I know that rain amounts can very within a few yards from one point to
another.   

I'm am really just out of ideas. Maybe, I can get a hold of tech support
this coming Friday.............???

Maybe you have a bad capacitor or something that gets reset when you
disconnect the cable. I had that suspicious about that too!

That means, that Lacrosse might have to send another sensor, since
everything connects to it, wind, direction, speed, etc., on one cable and
the rain gauge on the other cable. I sure hope I don't have to send it in
for repairs...???? That might take up to 6 weeks...Duh...!

Thanks.

Ron WDØBDQ

-------Original Message-------

From: Victor Engel

Date: 6/3/2008 12:02:00 AM

To: Discussion of weather data quality issues

Subject: Re: [wxqc] LaCrosse 2317

That still doesn't make sense. The data ORIGINATES at the sensor. That is
the purpose of the sensor. For rain, the sensor is in the same unit as the
funnel. According to the online manual, this then connects to the
temperature/hygrometer unit, which collects the data from the rain sensor
and then relays it to the base station via either wireless transmission or a
cabled connection.

Is it the cable connecting the temp/hygro to the base station or the cable
connecting the rain sensor to the temp/hygro unit you're talking about? I
guess the latter is what makes more sense from what you've said so far. If I
follow the manual correctly, that connection needs to be in place whether
you transmit the data to the base unit by radio or cable.

Maybe you have a bad capacitor or something that gets reset when you
disconnect the cable. After disconnecting and reconnecting and data starts
to go across the wire, does it then go out after a while? If not, is the
only issue that you have to disconnect the cable in the event of a power
outage to get things going again? 

I also notice this in the manual: 

"Some weather readings such as wind speed and direction

may not appear immediately on the LCD if the wind-fan or

vane of the wind sensor is moved. This is due to the set

reading time intervals for the wind readings. The current wind

speed or direction will be displayed once the time reading

interval is reached. For rainfall, the interval readings may take

up to 2 minutes before the data is displayed on the LCD."

Could it be that you're simply not waiting long enough for the data to
transmit? Sorry I couldn't be more helpful. I'm really just brainstorming...

Victor

On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 12:27 AM, deertrail131 <deertrail131 at aol.com> wrote:

Victor:

When testing, the tilt bucket work OK, using simulated rain, the data is not
getting to the sensor. If, I unplug the RJ phone jack from the sensor, and
re-connect it, then the data show up and moves to the Weather Display and to
the Internet. 

OK, let me say that...! In the circuit board in the rain gauge on top of the
roof is sending, data, or information......what ever, through a 4 conductor
telephone cable, red, green, yellow, black. Which only uses 2 wires in the
cable, I forgot, yellow, black or red, green. That goes into the the sensor.
The sensor is NOT receiving the information or data from the rain gauge. 

Until I un-plug the cable and re-connect the cable back to the sensor, then
it works to the LaCrosse 2317 desk top LCD display etc to the Weather
Display Software and out the the Internet.

I can use the wireless 455MHZ or the Phone Cable to the LCD display and I am
using the cable, that is only 15 feet through the wall, from the sensor to
the LaCrosse LCD display.

They are all new hardware and all cables test OK. Running AC with the system
and new batteries are for back/up for power outage. See Diagram Below. 

Weather Vane on top of roof and at least 30 feet from the rain gauge.

Ron DW0573

-------Original Message-------

From: Victor Engel

Date: 6/2/2008 9:06:12 PM

To: Discussion of weather data quality issues

Subject: Re: [wxqc] LaCrosse 2317

What do you mean the data is not getting to the sensor? That is where the
data comes from, not sent to. Before I continue, let me hasten to say I know
nothing about LaCrosse equipment. Judging from the link you provided, though
 it uses radio transmissions. That means you need to be cognizant of issues
that can affect radio signals. This includes location of metal, length of
cables, and sureness of connections. How long are your cables? What do you
have nearby? Inspect the connectors carefully. Do all the wires look clean
and in good condition? Sometimes those RJ wires get bent or cross over. If
so, you can tell by looking, usually. Maybe you have a bad cable. Try
swapping out with other cable you may have on hand. It sounds like it's
standard phone cable, so if you have a land line, you can probably just swap
out your regular phone line for testing purposes. Also, are you running on
A/C or batteries? If batteries, are they fresh?

Victor

On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 5:42 PM, deertrail131 <deertrail131 at aol.com> wrote:

Hi:

Does any one know about the LaCrosse 2317 WX Station. 

http://www.lacrossetechnology.com/2317/index.php

My weather station is running OK, except the rain gauge. When testing, the
tilt bucket work OK, using simulated rain, the data is not getting to the
sensor. If, I unplug the RJ phone jack from the sensor, and re-connect it,
then the data show up and moves to the Weather Display and to the Internet. 

Any one know what the problem might be? I am new at this type of work, and
the tech support is no help, plus they don't reply to email's or answer the
phone until Fridays with no help.....!!! 

I reset the 24, 1 hour and total back to normal (0)

I simply press and hold the PLUS (+) key for 2 seconds and a short beep will
sound to synchronize the base station to sensor, and that should include the
weather vane and all the data, but the rain gauge will not work until
disconnect  the phone jack at the sensor outside, then re-connect and the
rain data will flow to the base unit, to the Weather Display and out to the
Internet.   

It's on the Internet at:  http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/wxpage.cgi?DW0573

Thanks

Ron DW0573

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