From nwestwood at integrity.com  Tue Jul  1 00:22:01 2008
From: nwestwood at integrity.com (Neal Westwood)
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 23:22:01 -0600
Subject: [wxqc] Help with temp and dewpoint
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Ted,

It's the VAntage Pro2 plus model with fan aspiration.  It came with 2
batteries installed (no option for a third).  I left the 2 batteries
installed, which is supposed to give the best overnight temp readings.
http://weather.gladstonefamily.net/site/AS948

Neal Westwood- N7HRX


From brillig at gmail.com  Tue Jul  1 00:34:56 2008
From: brillig at gmail.com (Victor Engel)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 00:34:56 -0500
Subject: [wxqc] Help with temp and dewpoint
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I notice that your night time temperatures are low at the same time your
humidities are high. Coincidence? I think not, particularly, since if the
map is right, you appear to be right next to a creek. The satellite image
would seem to confirm this, judging by the vegetation.

I suspect there's a good chance that what you're seeing is differences in
microclimates. You should try confirming the data with other instruments if
you can.

Victor
C6155

On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 12:22 AM, Neal Westwood <nwestwood at integrity.com>
wrote:

> Ted,
>
> It's the VAntage Pro2 plus model with fan aspiration.  It came with 2
> batteries installed (no option for a third).  I left the 2 batteries
> installed, which is supposed to give the best overnight temp readings.
> http://weather.gladstonefamily.net/site/AS948
>
> Neal Westwood- N7HRX
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From gladstonefamily.net at tedworld.com  Tue Jul  1 00:38:19 2008
From: gladstonefamily.net at tedworld.com (Ted Lum)
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 01:38:19 -0400
Subject: [wxqc] Help with temp and dewpoint
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Have you verified that the fan is running at night? The reason that I 
ask is... long story... they use Lithium batteries in the transmitter 
for their good low temperature life, yet the fan runs on ordinary 
NiCad's. After about three years I've noticed that mine are dead (fan 
does not run at night). I have also recently noticed that I'm reading 2 
degrees higher until the night time temperature stabilizes (reaches the 
low). Without the fan it seems slower to respond so tracks higher. I 
realize that yours is new, but what you're describing can be related to 
the fan so I would just do a sanity check.

Otherwise, I'm really not sure. Since the unit is solar powered with 
battery back-up what you're describing could also be related to a power 
regulation problem, but Davis would have to check and advise on that. 
Not really sure what else it could be, I've personally never run into 
the issue until the fan battery(s) went dead.

-Ted-

Neal Westwood wrote:
> Ted,
>
> It's the VAntage Pro2 plus model with fan aspiration.  It came with 2
> batteries installed (no option for a third).  I left the 2 batteries
> installed, which is supposed to give the best overnight temp readings.
> http://weather.gladstonefamily.net/site/AS948
>
> Neal Westwood- N7HRX
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From brillig at gmail.com  Tue Jul  1 00:46:49 2008
From: brillig at gmail.com (Victor Engel)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 00:46:49 -0500
Subject: [wxqc] Help with temp and dewpoint
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If the problem is fan related, I would NOT expect the temperature to be
excessively low at night. What I'd expect to see would be excessively hot
temperatures during the day during calm winds.

Neal, if your other equipment verifies your data seem correct, I think you
have to just live with the analysis reports. I look at the analysis as a
tool. You need to think of it from the perspective of the computer. It
doesn't know about your creek, or the mountain nearby, or even the lake, as
far as I know. What it knows about is weather reports from stations
neighboring you. So what you need to do is consider the analysis and weigh
it with respect to your local conditions. You are the best person to make
that assessment, I think.

I don't know how the analysis routines work. I hope that if I have
misspoken, someone who does will chime in.

Victor

On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 12:38 AM, Ted Lum <gladstonefamily.net at tedworld.com>
wrote:

> Have you verified that the fan is running at night? The reason that I ask
> is... long story... they use Lithium batteries in the transmitter for their
> good low temperature life, yet the fan runs on ordinary NiCad's. After about
> three years I've noticed that mine are dead (fan does not run at night). I
> have also recently noticed that I'm reading 2 degrees higher until the night
> time temperature stabilizes (reaches the low). Without the fan it seems
> slower to respond so tracks higher. I realize that yours is new, but what
> you're describing can be related to the fan so I would just do a sanity
> check.
>
> Otherwise, I'm really not sure. Since the unit is solar powered with
> battery back-up what you're describing could also be related to a power
> regulation problem, but Davis would have to check and advise on that. Not
> really sure what else it could be, I've personally never run into the issue
> until the fan battery(s) went dead.
>
> -Ted-
>
>
> Neal Westwood wrote:
>
>> Ted,
>>
>> It's the VAntage Pro2 plus model with fan aspiration.  It came with 2
>> batteries installed (no option for a third).  I left the 2 batteries
>> installed, which is supposed to give the best overnight temp readings.
>> http://weather.gladstonefamily.net/site/AS948
>>
>> Neal Westwood- N7HRX
>>
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From gladstonefamily.net at tedworld.com  Tue Jul  1 00:58:30 2008
From: gladstonefamily.net at tedworld.com (Ted Lum)
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 01:58:30 -0400
Subject: [wxqc] Help with temp and dewpoint
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Yea, what Victor said... I miss-read... the error is high, the 
temperature is LOW... very low. That's not the fan!

Although, its really the humidity that its upset about!

-Ted-

Victor Engel wrote:
> If the problem is fan related, I would NOT expect the temperature to 
> be excessively low at night. What I'd expect to see would be 
> excessively hot temperatures during the day during calm winds.
>
> Neal, if your other equipment verifies your data seem correct, I think 
> you have to just live with the analysis reports. I look at the 
> analysis as a tool. You need to think of it from the perspective of 
> the computer. It doesn't know about your creek, or the mountain 
> nearby, or even the lake, as far as I know. What it knows about is 
> weather reports from stations neighboring you. So what you need to do 
> is consider the analysis and weigh it with respect to your local 
> conditions. You are the best person to make that assessment, I think.
>
> I don't know how the analysis routines work. I hope that if I have 
> misspoken, someone who does will chime in.
>
> Victor
>
> On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 12:38 AM, Ted Lum <gladstonefamily.net 
> <http://gladstonefamily.net>@tedworld.com <http://tedworld.com>> wrote:
>
>     Have you verified that the fan is running at night? The reason
>     that I ask is... long story... they use Lithium batteries in the
>     transmitter for their good low temperature life, yet the fan runs
>     on ordinary NiCad's. After about three years I've noticed that
>     mine are dead (fan does not run at night). I have also recently
>     noticed that I'm reading 2 degrees higher until the night time
>     temperature stabilizes (reaches the low). Without the fan it seems
>     slower to respond so tracks higher. I realize that yours is new,
>     but what you're describing can be related to the fan so I would
>     just do a sanity check.
>
>     Otherwise, I'm really not sure. Since the unit is solar powered
>     with battery back-up what you're describing could also be related
>     to a power regulation problem, but Davis would have to check and
>     advise on that. Not really sure what else it could be, I've
>     personally never run into the issue until the fan battery(s) went
>     dead.
>
>     -Ted-
>
>
>     Neal Westwood wrote:
>
>         Ted,
>
>         It's the VAntage Pro2 plus model with fan aspiration.  It came
>         with 2
>         batteries installed (no option for a third).  I left the 2
>         batteries
>         installed, which is supposed to give the best overnight temp
>         readings.
>         http://weather.gladstonefamily.net/site/AS948
>
>         Neal Westwood- N7HRX
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From dsscheibe at earthlink.net  Tue Jul  1 04:59:27 2008
From: dsscheibe at earthlink.net (Scott Scheibe)
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 02:59:27 -0700
Subject: [wxqc] Barometer offset
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At 11:58 AM 6/30/2008 -0500, Gerry Creager wrote:

Some days the graph follows mine but often the analysis is  several points 
higher, but my station matches both the local TV stations reports and has 
the same reading as the official gauge at Sky Harbor air port 
when  compared at the same times, they only update the report hourly. That 
leads me to believe my readings are correct and MADIS isn't or rather some 
of the stations that MADIS is using to compare are incorrect skewing the 
data.  It now tracks my temperature and dew point dead on although it 
didn't used to and I haven't changed my set up.  It used to say my dewpoint 
was off and has switch to the barometer being off.

http://weather.gladstonefamily.net/site/C2069



>I'm rather interested in your contention below that MADIS is 
>inaccurate.  Could you elaborate a bit?
>
>Thanks, Gerry
>
>Scott Scheibe wrote:
>>         I wouldn't worry about it too much I don't think MADIS is 
>> accurate.  My Davis pro station matches the local weather sources every 
>> time I've checked but the quality control page says "Sensor fails L2 
>> statistical consistency check. 
>> <http://madis.noaa.gov/madis_sfc_qc.html>  but the graph says "These valu
>
>     D. Scott Scheibe
><mailto:dsscheibe at earthlink.net>
><http://scottsworld.info>  Scott's Home page
><http://members.cox.net/dsscheibe/vws/> Scott's Weather Page
><http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/wxpage.cgi?CW2069> Citizen Weather Observer 
>Program
><http://weather.gladstonefamily.net/site/C2069> Quality reporting
><http://www.wunderground.com/weatherstation/WXDailyHistory.asp?ID=KAZPHOEN41> 
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From nwestwood at integrity.com  Tue Jul  1 08:35:17 2008
From: nwestwood at integrity.com (Neal Westwood)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 07:35:17 -0600
Subject: [wxqc] Help with Temp and Dewpoint
In-Reply-To: <mailman.44.1214891925.31481.wxqc@lists.gladstonefamily.net>
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I verified at midnight last night that the fan was running.  I think you are
all correct that it's just the microclimate due to the "river valley"
effect.  I'll try and find another reliable unit to set beside it and see if
it tracks the same, but I suspect that it is correct.  I'll close out this
discussion for now. Thanks for all your input.

http://weather.gladstonefamily.net/site/AS948

Neal Westwood - N7HRX


From gerry.creager at tamu.edu  Tue Jul  1 08:45:51 2008
From: gerry.creager at tamu.edu (Gerry Creager)
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 08:45:51 -0500
Subject: [wxqc] Barometer offset?
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Greggo wrote:
> if you scroll down on that page to beneath the
> dewpoint graph, you will see the following:
> 
> This is a list of stations that are close to this
> station. Note that this is not the list of stations
> that are used in the data analysis. That list of
> stations is known only to MADIS.
> 
> I don't know why they're so secretive.
> 
> If you don't have another barometer to use for
> comparison, I'd just bump it up a couple of notches
> they you'll be in the green.

Actually, it's not a question of being secretive but that the algorithm 
is automatic and potentially changes based on neighboring stations that 
have data available in a sliding window of time.  MADIS simply doesn't 
try to write out the stations used in their neighbor analysis for each 
and every analysis.  Statistically, it doesn't matter, and it'd create a 
big output file.

gerry

> --- "William P.N. Smith" <w_smith at compusmiths.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> I keep getting a barometer offset error at:
>>
>> http://weather.gladstonefamily.net/site/D0758
>>
>> but I can't see any local sites that are even
>> reporting within 150 
>> miles, should I just leave this alone and consider
>> it "one of those 
>> things", or should I send the baro sensor in for
>> calibration?
>>
>> What's the useful range for barometer comparisons? 
>> Or is there likely 
>> to be a 'hidden' station?  Hopefully they aren't
>> comparing to 
>> wunderground (two of those are me, and the local
>> airports only report 
>> very occasionally).
>>
>> Thanks for any hints!
>>
>> Willie
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From gw33340 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul  1 09:26:46 2008
From: gw33340 at yahoo.com (Greggo)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 07:26:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [wxqc] Barometer offset?
In-Reply-To: <486A350F.2040509@tamu.edu>
Message-ID: <595167.69694.qm@web65408.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

That makes sense.  Thank you for your input.  I'm kind
of simple, and need things broken down.  Maybe some
day someone will write weather stations for dummies! 
:)

Greg Whitehead
DW0148

--- Gerry Creager <gerry.creager at tamu.edu> wrote:

> Actually, it's not a question of being secretive but
> that the algorithm 
> is automatic and potentially changes based on
> neighboring stations that 
> have data available in a sliding window of time. 
> MADIS simply doesn't 
> try to write out the stations used in their neighbor
> analysis for each 
> and every analysis.  Statistically, it doesn't
> matter, and it'd create a 
> big output file.
> 
> gerry
> 
> > --- "William P.N. Smith" <w_smith at compusmiths.com>
> > wrote:
> > 
> >> I keep getting a barometer offset error at:
> >>
> >> http://weather.gladstonefamily.net/site/D0758
> >>
> >> but I can't see any local sites that are even
> >> reporting within 150 
> >> miles, should I just leave this alone and
> consider
> >> it "one of those 
> >> things", or should I send the baro sensor in for
> >> calibration?
> >>
> >> What's the useful range for barometer
> comparisons? 
> >> Or is there likely 
> >> to be a 'hidden' station?  Hopefully they aren't
> >> comparing to 
> >> wunderground (two of those are me, and the local
> >> airports only report 
> >> very occasionally).
> >>
> >> Thanks for any hints!
> >>
> >> Willie
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From w_smith at compusmiths.com  Tue Jul  1 10:20:21 2008
From: w_smith at compusmiths.com (William P.N. Smith)
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 11:20:21 -0400
Subject: [wxqc] Barometer offset?
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Gerry Creager wrote:
> Actually, it's not a question of being secretive but that the algorithm 
> is automatic and potentially changes based on neighboring stations that 
> have data available in a sliding window of time.

>> --- "William P.N. Smith" <w_smith at compusmiths.com>
>>> I keep getting a barometer offset error at:
>>> http://weather.gladstonefamily.net/site/D0758
>>> but I can't see any local sites that are even
>>> reporting within 150 miles.

I guess my concern is that the "neighboring" stations are either 
hundreds of miles away, or have potentially inaccurate data (the local 
airport only reports very occasionally, maybe even manually). 
"Correcting" my data to match something unknown isn't necessarily going 
to improve my actual accuracy, nor the accuracy (such as it is) of the 
data gathered  by findu and reported to NWS and others.

A new sensor costs more than most hobbyist weather stations, and taking 
it offline for the summer to send it back for calibration might not be 
helpful either...  I'll see what I get for a calibration price quote...

Thanks!

Willie

From gerry.creager at tamu.edu  Tue Jul  1 10:59:02 2008
From: gerry.creager at tamu.edu (Gerry Creager)
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 10:59:02 -0500
Subject: [wxqc] Barometer offset?
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Message-ID: <486A5446.3030901@tamu.edu>

Considering your location, I'd not be recalibrating or changing much. 
There's little in your area that is verifiable against.  I should have 
included that in my last comment regarding your site.

You show a Campbell Scientific station for your hardware: What's the 
nature of the hardware.  Also, I'm not familiar with Wanda for s/w. 
Does your software correct to Altimeter Setting, is it station pressure, 
or Sea Level Pressure.  OK, so now that I've asked, as your at 13m, they 
should all be essentially the same.

I'm gonna have to look at some surface analysis charts from the last 
couple of weeks to see what you've been experiencing as far as mesoscale 
phenomena, too.  With only one station rationally close by, I suspect 
you are reflecting local conditions.

"Professional" hardware is typically calibrated on-site twice per year. 
  Most CWOP hardware, on the other hand, is recalibrated when replaced 
or repaired... at the factory.  We've noted changes in comparisons 
following site calibration, at least in the US.  There's a reason for 
the periodic calibration, too: These instruments can lose their 
calibration and start reporting with a bias.  Some work has been done in 
MADIS to look at instrument degradation, to allow remote adjustment by 
bias, and to predict/detect the point where instruments go out of useful 
range.  I recalibrate my instrument every other year, as that's the 
manufacturer's recommended interval to replace the pressure, temperature 
and humidity sensors.  Rainfall and anemometry are sonic and don't 
require... or accept... calibration.  Thus, every other year, I expect 
to see some errors while my "new" hardware comes back into the cal chain.

gerry

William P.N. Smith wrote:
> Gerry Creager wrote:
>> Actually, it's not a question of being secretive but that the 
>> algorithm is automatic and potentially changes based on neighboring 
>> stations that have data available in a sliding window of time.
> 
>>> --- "William P.N. Smith" <w_smith at compusmiths.com>
>>>> I keep getting a barometer offset error at:
>>>> http://weather.gladstonefamily.net/site/D0758
>>>> but I can't see any local sites that are even
>>>> reporting within 150 miles.
> 
> I guess my concern is that the "neighboring" stations are either 
> hundreds of miles away, or have potentially inaccurate data (the local 
> airport only reports very occasionally, maybe even manually). 
> "Correcting" my data to match something unknown isn't necessarily going 
> to improve my actual accuracy, nor the accuracy (such as it is) of the 
> data gathered  by findu and reported to NWS and others.
> 
> A new sensor costs more than most hobbyist weather stations, and taking 
> it offline for the summer to send it back for calibration might not be 
> helpful either...  I'll see what I get for a calibration price quote...
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Willie
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From w_smith at compusmiths.com  Tue Jul  1 20:51:24 2008
From: w_smith at compusmiths.com (William P.N. Smith)
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 21:51:24 -0400
Subject: [wxqc] Barometer offset?
In-Reply-To: <486A5446.3030901@tamu.edu>
References: <729545.27869.qm@web65403.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>	<486A350F.2040509@tamu.edu>	<486A4B35.9000408@compusmiths.com>
	<486A5446.3030901@tamu.edu>
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Gerry Creager wrote:
> Considering your location, I'd not be recalibrating or changing much. 
> There's little in your area that is verifiable against.  I should have 
> included that in my last comment regarding your site.

Yeah, that's my main concern.

> You show a Campbell Scientific station for your hardware: What's the 
> nature of the hardware.

The barometer is http://campbellsci.com/cs105
Temp/Humidity is http://campbellsci.com/hmp45c-l in a 
http://campbellsci.com/41303-shield
Rainfall is http://campbellsci.com/te525-l
Insolation is http://campbellsci.com/cs300-pyranometer
Datalogger is http://campbellsci.com/cr10x
Ethernet interface is http://campbellsci.com/nl100

>  Also, I'm not familiar with Wanda for s/w. Does 
> your software correct to Altimeter Setting, is it station pressure, or 
> Sea Level Pressure.  OK, so now that I've asked, as your at 13m, they 
> should all be essentially the same.

That's because I wrote it the other week.  8*)  "Wanda The Weather 
Woman" is the name we gave to the voice on the phone modem with voice 
synthesizer (COM300, the older version of the 
http://campbellsci.com/com310).  I called the code wanda.pl to 
distinguish it from the other datalogger that watches power and water 
consumption, cistern water levels, etc.

> "Professional" hardware is typically calibrated on-site twice per year.

Most of my sensors are new this year, the barometer is a few years old, 
and might well need a calibration, but I don't want to bother if I don't 
have to.  On-site calibration would mean I didn't get my dedicated DSL 
line, as I have to purchase the RF link to connect to the main island.  8*)

Willie

From ruscher at met.fsu.edu  Wed Jul  2 11:20:54 2008
From: ruscher at met.fsu.edu (Paul Ruscher)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 12:20:54 -0400
Subject: [wxqc] wxqc Digest, Vol 44, Issue 50 - on humidity/dew point
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1214494614.31481.wxqc@lists.gladstonefamily.net>
References: <mailman.3.1214494614.31481.wxqc@lists.gladstonefamily.net>
Message-ID: <17C49CB3-5DB7-4985-98FB-B33110F6640F@met.fsu.edu>

Hi, all - I wanted to chime on here on a thread from last week or so  
on dew point quality.  Someone has mentioned microclimates with regard  
to temperature before, and that could certainly be the case here, too.

First, and please correct me if I'm wrong, I believe that the Cxxxx  
analysis graph that you would see on your own station's quality  
control graphs are from a very good mesoscale analysis system that is  
running that is based on NOAA's RUC model, which can bring in data  
from multiple sources, including first order stations, and cooperating  
stations that also send their data to NOAA in real-time.  The analysis  
runs hourly or half-hourly.  In any case, that may not pick up  
microscale details that may include valid siting of instruments, and  
valid measurements from them.

For example, we have one of our CWOP stations (CW4103) at the FSU  
Marine Lab and the station is located very close to the water (http://weather.gladstonefamily.net/site/C4103 
).  The station's dew point data are being flagged by the QC system  
because our station's dew point is reading much too high (compared to  
the QC MADIS analysis).  In short, analysis is not equal to truth.   
Nor, for that matter, is an observation.  We all do our best, but  
before you make that adjustment that the QC system suggests that you  
make, ask yourself if it is really a problem with the analysis, or a  
problem with your station?  Your station might just be "correct."

In my case, I can't expect the "model" and its analysis to be as good  
as my data.  I've checked my sensor there (Davis Vantage Pro2 station)  
against digital hygrothermometers, sling psychrometers, and fan- 
aspirated psychrometers, and my RH values always extract to be within  
5% of each other, so I'm pretty confident that I have a good set up  
there locally.  Of course my site is not very homogeneous either,  
since I'm right on the water, too.

I like computer models and their analysis systems, but I like well- 
sited instrumental measurements, better!

Paul Ruscher / FSU Meteorology


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From brillig at gmail.com  Thu Jul  3 09:03:30 2008
From: brillig at gmail.com (Victor Engel)
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 09:03:30 -0500
Subject: [wxqc] Bad Data Deletion
Message-ID: <e0e999680807030703t189c5d03o4e906239726be8d5@mail.gmail.com>

I just changed the battery on my ISS this morning. Meanwhile, bad data
got transmitted to CWOP. Is there any way this should be deleted? Or
should I not worry about it? In this case, the bad data is obvious.

Victor CW6155

From eholmes at aeneas.net  Sat Jul  5 20:34:58 2008
From: eholmes at aeneas.net (Eddie Holmes)
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 20:34:58 -0500
Subject: [wxqc] WL 5.8.1
Message-ID: <002201c8df08$80b35d30$0201a8c0@EDDIESPC>

All that may be interested:

 

Davis has released WeatherLink 5.8.1.  Go to: HYPERLINK
"http://www.davisnet.com/support/weather/software_sftwr.asp"http://www.davis
net.com/support/weather/software_sftwr.asp

 

- Eddie

 

 

Eddie Holmes CW4199

www.jacksonweather.net

 


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From gladstonefamily.net at tedworld.com  Sun Jul  6 17:49:33 2008
From: gladstonefamily.net at tedworld.com (Ted Lum)
Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 18:49:33 -0400
Subject: [wxqc] GMT use
In-Reply-To: <481B5D56.8060003@wa4phy.net>
References: <481B5D56.8060003@wa4phy.net>
Message-ID: <48714BFD.8030706@tedworld.com>

I know this is dated, but, I was just looking at Davis Vantage Pro 
console internals and it now occurs to me that changing to GMT is likely 
to affect the time at which "Daily" intervals begin/end.

For example, in EDT, the day ends at 04:00 GMT, so this is when counters 
reset. If you set GMT on a computer in EDT (and the console with it), 
daily counters (and all other periodic counters based on daily) will 
reset at 00:00 GMT or 20:00 EDT. Days are still 24hours long, but when 
they begin and end will change.

Probably not all stations or software will behave this way.

-Ted-

Sam Drinkard wrote:
>     I've been pondering what kind of ill effects would occur if I were 
> to set my computer clocks to zulu time.  I get so tired of time changes 
> and the conversion from different places to my local time, it would be 
> much easier for me to just change every clock and time piece I have to 
> zulu.  Are there any issues related to our wx data uploads that would be 
> affected? 
>
> Thanks..
>
> Sam
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From cbelldina at gmail.com  Mon Jul  7 21:04:14 2008
From: cbelldina at gmail.com (Craig A. Belldina)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 22:04:14 -0400
Subject: [wxqc] blog about weather, Shenandoah Valley Va.
Message-ID: <B8712033B9CE4BA7A975A98EAF213952@gatewaydvr>

Hi everyone,

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From w_smith at compusmiths.com  Tue Jul  8 09:52:57 2008
From: w_smith at compusmiths.com (William P.N. Smith)
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 10:52:57 -0400
Subject: [wxqc] Barometer conversion?
Message-ID: <48737F49.30606@compusmiths.com>

I was thinking about my barometer errors the other day, and realized I 
might have a conversion problem.  My weather station reports inches of 
mercury, and CWOP wants tenths of millibars converted for altitude (in 
my case about 42-ish feet above sea level).  I've got:

$GetString .= sprintf("b%05.0f",(($BAR_inHg-0.04)*33.86*10));

# inches of mercury (minus 44-foot pressure altitude) converted to 
millibar TENTHS

Does that look right?

Thanks!

Willie

From steve at softwx.com  Tue Jul  8 10:25:33 2008
From: steve at softwx.com (Steve)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 09:25:33 -0600
Subject: [wxqc] Barometer conversion?
In-Reply-To: <48737F49.30606@compusmiths.com>
References: <48737F49.30606@compusmiths.com>
Message-ID: <5036901C9EE34BC2B31CD0ACDDC52CCB@shrek>

It depends on what type of value your barometer reports. Does it provide Sea 
Level Pressure, Sensor Pressure (raw pressure), Altimeter, or some other 
value such as raw pressure with a static offset to approximate a sea level 
compensation? How you should convert your  weather station's pressure to 
what CWOP wants will depend on the answer to that question. At sea level (0 
elevation) all these different forms of pressure values are essentially the 
same, and they diverge as you go up in altitude. Since you're so close to 
sea level, it may not make a big difference, but if your station's pressure 
is already adjusted for altitude, it would not make sense to make the 
adjustment a second time.

For converting inHg to HPa (HPa and millibars are the same) I use
inHg/0.02953

Steve


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William P.N. Smith" <w_smith at compusmiths.com>
To: "Discussion of weather data quality issues" 
<wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net>
Sent: 07/08/2008 8:52 AM
Subject: [wxqc] Barometer conversion?


>I was thinking about my barometer errors the other day, and realized I 
>might have a conversion problem.  My weather station reports inches of 
>mercury, and CWOP wants tenths of millibars converted for altitude (in my 
>case about 42-ish feet above sea level).  I've got:
>
> $GetString .= sprintf("b%05.0f",(($BAR_inHg-0.04)*33.86*10));
>
> # inches of mercury (minus 44-foot pressure altitude) converted to 
> millibar TENTHS
>
> Does that look right?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Willie
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From w_smith at compusmiths.com  Tue Jul  8 11:17:34 2008
From: w_smith at compusmiths.com (William P.N. Smith)
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 12:17:34 -0400
Subject: [wxqc] Barometer conversion?
In-Reply-To: <5036901C9EE34BC2B31CD0ACDDC52CCB@shrek>
References: <48737F49.30606@compusmiths.com>
	<5036901C9EE34BC2B31CD0ACDDC52CCB@shrek>
Message-ID: <4873931E.8020704@compusmiths.com>

My instrument is reading Sensor Pressure (raw ambient) without any 
correction.

1/.02953 = 33.86, so I've got the constant right, anyway...

Should I add or subtract the .04 inches of mercury, or neither?  Does 
CWOP "know" my altitude and do a correction?  IIRC they want "pressure 
altitude"...

Thanks!


Steve wrote:
> It depends on what type of value your barometer reports. Does it provide 
> Sea Level Pressure, Sensor Pressure (raw pressure), Altimeter, or some 
> other value such as raw pressure with a static offset to approximate a 
> sea level compensation? How you should convert your  weather station's 
> pressure to what CWOP wants will depend on the answer to that question. 
> At sea level (0 elevation) all these different forms of pressure values 
> are essentially the same, and they diverge as you go up in altitude. 
> Since you're so close to sea level, it may not make a big difference, 
> but if your station's pressure is already adjusted for altitude, it 
> would not make sense to make the adjustment a second time.
> 
> For converting inHg to HPa (HPa and millibars are the same) I use
> inHg/0.02953
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "William P.N. Smith" 
> <w_smith at compusmiths.com>
> To: "Discussion of weather data quality issues" 
> <wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net>
> Sent: 07/08/2008 8:52 AM
> Subject: [wxqc] Barometer conversion?
> 
> 
>> I was thinking about my barometer errors the other day, and realized I 
>> might have a conversion problem.  My weather station reports inches of 
>> mercury, and CWOP wants tenths of millibars converted for altitude (in 
>> my case about 42-ish feet above sea level).  I've got:
>>
>> $GetString .= sprintf("b%05.0f",(($BAR_inHg-0.04)*33.86*10));
>>
>> # inches of mercury (minus 44-foot pressure altitude) converted to 
>> millibar TENTHS
>>
>> Does that look right?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Willie
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From gladstonefamily.net at tedworld.com  Tue Jul  8 11:41:25 2008
From: gladstonefamily.net at tedworld.com (Ted Lum)
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 12:41:25 -0400
Subject: [wxqc] Barometer conversion?
In-Reply-To: <4873931E.8020704@compusmiths.com>
References: <48737F49.30606@compusmiths.com>	<5036901C9EE34BC2B31CD0ACDDC52CCB@shrek>
	<4873931E.8020704@compusmiths.com>
Message-ID: <487398B5.3050601@tedworld.com>

You should be adding (subtracting the altitude). This effectively takes 
elevation out of the equation so it needn't be known down stream. If all 
stations were following the spec they would all be normalized to sea level.

Its basically:

SeaLevelPressure = (StationPressure(Hg)+ 0.043047)*33.8637526

or

SeaLevelPressure = (StationPressure(Hg)*33.8637526)+1.457739

Of course that's an over simplification because its not linear, but this 
is a good approximation.

-Ted-

William P.N. Smith wrote:
> My instrument is reading Sensor Pressure (raw ambient) without any 
> correction.
>
> 1/.02953 = 33.86, so I've got the constant right, anyway...
>
> Should I add or subtract the .04 inches of mercury, or neither?  Does 
> CWOP "know" my altitude and do a correction?  IIRC they want "pressure 
> altitude"...
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> Steve wrote:
>> It depends on what type of value your barometer reports. Does it 
>> provide Sea Level Pressure, Sensor Pressure (raw pressure), 
>> Altimeter, or some other value such as raw pressure with a static 
>> offset to approximate a sea level compensation? How you should 
>> convert your  weather station's pressure to what CWOP wants will 
>> depend on the answer to that question. At sea level (0 elevation) all 
>> these different forms of pressure values are essentially the same, 
>> and they diverge as you go up in altitude. Since you're so close to 
>> sea level, it may not make a big difference, but if your station's 
>> pressure is already adjusted for altitude, it would not make sense to 
>> make the adjustment a second time.
>>
>> For converting inHg to HPa (HPa and millibars are the same) I use
>> inHg/0.02953
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "William P.N. Smith" 
>> <w_smith at compusmiths.com>
>> To: "Discussion of weather data quality issues" 
>> <wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net>
>> Sent: 07/08/2008 8:52 AM
>> Subject: [wxqc] Barometer conversion?
>>
>>
>>> I was thinking about my barometer errors the other day, and realized 
>>> I might have a conversion problem.  My weather station reports 
>>> inches of mercury, and CWOP wants tenths of millibars converted for 
>>> altitude (in my case about 42-ish feet above sea level).  I've got:
>>>
>>> $GetString .= sprintf("b%05.0f",(($BAR_inHg-0.04)*33.86*10));
>>>
>>> # inches of mercury (minus 44-foot pressure altitude) converted to 
>>> millibar TENTHS
>>>
>>> Does that look right?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Willie
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From brillig at gmail.com  Tue Jul  8 14:46:42 2008
From: brillig at gmail.com (Victor Engel)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 14:46:42 -0500
Subject: [wxqc] Automatic Start
Message-ID: <e0e999680807081246w4201dff9kbe35a4c297f8064a@mail.gmail.com>

Occasionally, especially with strong weather, I have power failures.
It would be nice if my equipment would automatically start and load
the appropriate weather software when the power comes back on. Can
someone help me set this up given my setup?

Dell Optiplex desktop running Windows XP. Currently, you have to press
the power button to turn on the computer.
I use VWS with VWSAPRS. The latter loads when Windows loads, but the
former does not. That should be easy enough to change, I think. But
how to get the computer to boot when power is turned on is my main
goal.

Victor

From robertmjones at bellsouth.net  Tue Jul  8 14:53:20 2008
From: robertmjones at bellsouth.net (Robert M. Jones)
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 19:53:20 +0000
Subject: [wxqc] Automatic Start
In-Reply-To: <e0e999680807081246w4201dff9kbe35a4c297f8064a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <070820081953.5568.4873C5B0000AA220000015C022243429029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF9C0A020106039B9D0A0D019D@att.net>

Hi Victor,

You should be able to go into BIOS and set the Power Option to "Restart" after power failure. Works great on HP.

Bob
CW9127/KJ4BLM
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>But 
> how to get the computer to boot when power is turned on is my main 
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From Sct599 at aol.com  Tue Jul  8 14:55:06 2008
From: Sct599 at aol.com (Sct599 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 15:55:06 EDT
Subject: [wxqc] Automatic Start
Message-ID: <d15.2a2c4f72.35a5201a@aol.com>

I was able to get my PC to boot upon restoration of commercial power by  
accessing the BIOS and enabling "Wake on power restoration." Not all BIO's offer  
this option/feature.
 
Once you get the above worked out, all you need to do is put your WX  station 
software in your "Startup file." I was able to accomplish this by right  
clicking the program icon on your desktop and selecting "Pin to Start  Menu."
 
Hope this helps,
Scott - AP713 
 
 
In a message dated 7/8/2008 1:47:44 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
brillig at gmail.com writes:

Occasionally, especially with strong weather, I have power  failures.
It would be nice if my equipment would automatically start and  load
the appropriate weather software when the power comes back on.  Can
someone help me set this up given my setup?

Dell Optiplex  desktop running Windows XP. Currently, you have to press
the power button  to turn on the computer.
I use VWS with VWSAPRS. The latter loads when  Windows loads, but the
former does not. That should be easy enough to  change, I think. But
how to get the computer to boot when power is turned  on is my  main
goal.

Victor
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From cbelldina at gmail.com  Tue Jul  8 14:59:56 2008
From: cbelldina at gmail.com (Craig Belldina)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 15:59:56 -0400
Subject: [wxqc] Automatic Start
In-Reply-To: <070820081953.5568.4873C5B0000AA220000015C022243429029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF9C0A020106039B9D0A0D019D@att.net>
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Victor,
Some Dell Computers may offer the BIOS option, some may not. Even some with
the same model number may or may not since Dell has a habit of using "what
they have on hand" for parts.

As for starting up the programs, putting those specific programs in the
startup folder is the way to go.

What about a UPS system. Fairly cheap and can run your PC/weather station on
battery while the power is out....some may even be able to boot your system
up after power is restored (I think.)
-Craig



On 7/8/08, Robert M. Jones <robertmjones at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>  Hi Victor,
>
> You should be able to go into BIOS and set the Power Option to "Restart"
> after power failure. Works great on HP.
>
> Bob
> CW9127/KJ4BLM
>
> -------------- Original message from "Victor Engel" <brillig at gmail.com>:
> --------------
>
>
> >But
> > how to get the computer to boot when power is turned on is my main
> > goal.
> >
> > Victor
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From brillig at gmail.com  Tue Jul  8 15:07:51 2008
From: brillig at gmail.com (Victor Engel)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 15:07:51 -0500
Subject: [wxqc] Automatic Start
In-Reply-To: <2e6f464f0807081259t26808924p9729a2072fcf8d15@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e0e999680807081246w4201dff9kbe35a4c297f8064a@mail.gmail.com>
	<070820081953.5568.4873C5B0000AA220000015C022243429029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF9C0A020106039B9D0A0D019D@att.net>
	<2e6f464f0807081259t26808924p9729a2072fcf8d15@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e0e999680807081307h774e6b81x819036d51ea9f611@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah, I guess I should get a UPS. I believe my computer has a remote
startup feature, too.

Victor

On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Craig Belldina <cbelldina at gmail.com> wrote:
> Victor,
> Some Dell Computers may offer the BIOS option, some may not. Even some with
> the same model number may or may not since Dell has a habit of using "what
> they have on hand" for parts.
>
> As for starting up the programs, putting those specific programs in the
> startup folder is the way to go.
>
> What about a UPS system. Fairly cheap and can run your PC/weather station on
> battery while the power is out....some may even be able to boot your system
> up after power is restored (I think.)
> -Craig
>
>
> On 7/8/08, Robert M. Jones <robertmjones at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Victor,
>>
>> You should be able to go into BIOS and set the Power Option to "Restart"
>> after power failure. Works great on HP.
>>
>> Bob
>> CW9127/KJ4BLM
>>
>> -------------- Original message from "Victor Engel" <brillig at gmail.com>:
>> --------------
>>
>>
>> >But
>> > how to get the computer to boot when power is turned on is my main
>> > goal.
>> >
>> > Victor
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From w4ake at att.net  Tue Jul  8 15:21:54 2008
From: w4ake at att.net (w4ake at att.net)
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 20:21:54 +0000
Subject: [wxqc] Automatic Start
In-Reply-To: <e0e999680807081246w4201dff9kbe35a4c297f8064a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <070820082021.21795.4873CC620004372C0000552322230650629B0A02D29B9B0EBF0A050ECB99@att.net>

Victor:  If you have short power failures a APC back-up power supply will work. ( www.apc.com ) I live in Hurricane Country and lightning capital of the world so we get many short surges plus long power outages so I use the following; 2 8D gel batteries that supply power to a 1000w inverter that powers my router, DSL modem using the phone line and my weather computer is a laptop that runs off the 12v batteries. This will keep my station running about 5 days . I use a marine battery charger the keep the batteries charged and a gas generator to recharge the system should the outage last longer. Being a Ham, if the phone line goes out I can use aVHF transmitter to get the data to findu via rf aprs. The Ham rig also works off 12v.

Dick W4AKE 
-------------- Original message from "Victor Engel" <brillig at gmail.com>: -------------- 


> Occasionally, especially with strong weather, I have power failures. 
> It would be nice if my equipment would automatically start and load 
> the appropriate weather software when the power comes back on. Can 
> someone help me set this up given my setup? 
> 
> Dell Optiplex desktop running Windows XP. Currently, you have to press 
> the power button to turn on the computer. 
> I use VWS with VWSAPRS. The latter loads when Windows loads, but the 
> former does not. That should be easy enough to change, I think. But 
> how to get the computer to boot when power is turned on is my main 
> goal. 
> 
> Victor 
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From DeerTrail131 at aol.com  Tue Jul  8 16:19:35 2008
From: DeerTrail131 at aol.com (DeerTrail131 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 17:19:35 EDT
Subject: [wxqc] Automatic Start
Message-ID: <c4a.2f7f0c54.35a533e7@aol.com>

Dick W4AKE:
 
What about the local Phone Company, they have to provide their own backup  
system to keep the phones working in our area, which is a PUC law? Bijou  Phone 
Company _http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/product-compint-0000811437-page.html_ 
(http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/product-compint-0000811437-page.html)  which 
 their web-site is down?
 
But don't know about the DSL, which should be on the same generator at the  
Central Office.
 
In this area, the outage is about 1 to 3 hours. During the Blizzard of  
December 26th, 2006 in this area, we never had an outage during that blizzard  
weird?
 
My Weather Station: 
_http://www.met.utah.edu/cgi-bin/droman/meso_base.cgi?stn=D0573_ (http://www.met.utah.edu/cgi-bin/droman/meso_base.cgi?stn=D0573) 
Or
_http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/wxpage.cgi?DW0573_ 
(http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/wxpage.cgi?DW0573) 
 
I have the older APC for Windows Me, but not for Windows Vista, which the  
Weather Station runs 24/7
 
Thanks
Ron WD0BDQ
 
 
In a message dated 7/8/2008 2:23:05 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
w4ake at att.net writes:




Victor:  If you have short power failures a APC back-up power supply  will 
work. ( _www.apc.com_ (http://www.apc.com/)  ) I live in Hurricane Country and  
lightning capital of the world so we get many short surges plus long power  
outages so I use the following; 2 8D gel batteries that supply power to a  1000w 
inverter that powers my router, DSL modem using the phone line and my  
weather computer is a laptop that runs off the 12v batteries. This will keep  my 
station running about 5 days . I use a marine battery charger the keep the  
batteries charged and a gas generator to recharge the system should the outage  
last longer. Being a Ham, if the phone line goes out I can use aVHF  transmitter 
to get the data to findu via rf aprs. The Ham rig also works off  12v.
 
Dick W4AKE 

--------------  Original message from "Victor Engel" <brillig at gmail.com>:  
-------------- 


> Occasionally, especially with strong  weather, I have power failures. 
> It would be nice if my equipment  would automatically start and load 
> the appropriate weather software  when the power comes back on. Can 
> someone help me set this up given  my setup? 
> 
> Dell Optiplex desktop running Windows XP.  Currently, you have to press 
> the power button to turn on the  computer. 
> I use VWS with VWSAPRS. The latter loads when Windows  loads, but the 
> former does not. That should be easy enough to  change, I think. But 
> how to get the computer to boot when power is  turned on is my main 
> goal. 
> 
> Victor 
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From gladstonefamily.net at tedworld.com  Tue Jul  8 17:35:40 2008
From: gladstonefamily.net at tedworld.com (Ted Lum)
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 18:35:40 -0400
Subject: [wxqc] Barometer conversion?
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Actually those numbers are sloppy. For 44 feet its more like:

SeaLevelPressure(mBar) = (StationPressure(inHg)* 1.001591303)*33.8639

If you're just adding an offset you'll have nice size errors at the extents.

For elevations between sea level and ~36,000ft

(EXP((Standard gravity[ft/s?]*Molar 
mass[g/mol]*Elevation[ft])/(Universal gas constant*Standard 
temperature[k])))*StationPressure(inHg)

Altimiter(inHg) = 
(EXP((32.17405*28.9644*44)/(89494.596*288.15)))*StationPressure(inHg)

Ted Lum wrote:
> You should be adding (subtracting the altitude). This effectively 
> takes elevation out of the equation so it needn't be known down 
> stream. If all stations were following the spec they would all be 
> normalized to sea level.
>
> Its basically:
>
> SeaLevelPressure = (StationPressure(Hg)+ 0.043047)*33.8637526
>
> or
>
> SeaLevelPressure = (StationPressure(Hg)*33.8637526)+1.457739
>
> Of course that's an over simplification because its not linear, but 
> this is a good approximation.
>
> -Ted-
>
> William P.N. Smith wrote:
>> My instrument is reading Sensor Pressure (raw ambient) without any 
>> correction.
>>
>> 1/.02953 = 33.86, so I've got the constant right, anyway...
>>
>> Should I add or subtract the .04 inches of mercury, or neither?  Does 
>> CWOP "know" my altitude and do a correction?  IIRC they want 
>> "pressure altitude"...
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>> Steve wrote:
>>> It depends on what type of value your barometer reports. Does it 
>>> provide Sea Level Pressure, Sensor Pressure (raw pressure), 
>>> Altimeter, or some other value such as raw pressure with a static 
>>> offset to approximate a sea level compensation? How you should 
>>> convert your  weather station's pressure to what CWOP wants will 
>>> depend on the answer to that question. At sea level (0 elevation) 
>>> all these different forms of pressure values are essentially the 
>>> same, and they diverge as you go up in altitude. Since you're so 
>>> close to sea level, it may not make a big difference, but if your 
>>> station's pressure is already adjusted for altitude, it would not 
>>> make sense to make the adjustment a second time.
>>>
>>> For converting inHg to HPa (HPa and millibars are the same) I use
>>> inHg/0.02953
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "William P.N. Smith" 
>>> <w_smith at compusmiths.com>
>>> To: "Discussion of weather data quality issues" 
>>> <wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net>
>>> Sent: 07/08/2008 8:52 AM
>>> Subject: [wxqc] Barometer conversion?
>>>
>>>
>>>> I was thinking about my barometer errors the other day, and 
>>>> realized I might have a conversion problem.  My weather station 
>>>> reports inches of mercury, and CWOP wants tenths of millibars 
>>>> converted for altitude (in my case about 42-ish feet above sea 
>>>> level).  I've got:
>>>>
>>>> $GetString .= sprintf("b%05.0f",(($BAR_inHg-0.04)*33.86*10));
>>>>
>>>> # inches of mercury (minus 44-foot pressure altitude) converted to 
>>>> millibar TENTHS
>>>>
>>>> Does that look right?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> Willie
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From Karl.Uppiano at verizon.net  Tue Jul  8 16:56:27 2008
From: Karl.Uppiano at verizon.net (Karl Uppiano)
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 14:56:27 -0700
Subject: [wxqc] Automatic Start
References: <e0e999680807081246w4201dff9kbe35a4c297f8064a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D14B5FF587BB43BB897938467E592AA6@attachmate.com>

Most modern computers have a BIOS setting that give you the options after a 
power fail: "Off", "On", or "Previous". I usually set mine to use 
"Previous". If it was off, it stays off, if it was on, it turns back on.

Any serious weather software that posts to Internet sites such as CWOP 
should have the option of running as a service. That way, it will start 
running in the background even if no one is logged on whenever the machine 
starts up.

Regards,
Karl Uppiano
http://mysite.verizon.net/Karl_Uppiano/wxservice.html

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Victor Engel" <brillig at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of weather data quality issues" 
<wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 12:46 PM
Subject: [wxqc] Automatic Start


> Occasionally, especially with strong weather, I have power failures.
> It would be nice if my equipment would automatically start and load
> the appropriate weather software when the power comes back on. Can
> someone help me set this up given my setup?
>
> Dell Optiplex desktop running Windows XP. Currently, you have to press
> the power button to turn on the computer.
> I use VWS with VWSAPRS. The latter loads when Windows loads, but the
> former does not. That should be easy enough to change, I think. But
> how to get the computer to boot when power is turned on is my main
> goal.
>
> Victor
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From backlund at scientist.com  Tue Jul  8 16:45:15 2008
From: backlund at scientist.com (Michael A. Backlund, PhD)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 14:45:15 -0700
Subject: [wxqc] Temperature errors
Message-ID: <005301c8e143$eb1e0250$64c8a8c0@DH51DX31>

My VantagePro 2 reads the present temperature as 107 F (which is the reporting station to CWOP).  My LaCrosse (former system) reads the temperature as 111 F.  My mercury thermometer is reading 111 F.  One would think therefore that my Davis sensor is reading low.  However the analysis on CWOP shows my Davis sensor as having a problem with solar radiation, i.e., it is reading abnormally high.  I don't get this.  

I have a radiation shield and an aspirating fan.  All is operating fine, so far as I can tell.  I'd like to be sending in acceptable/valid readings.  Any advice from y'all?

Thanks!

Michael Backlund
CWOP CW9085 Angels Camp, California
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From gladstonefamily.net at tedworld.com  Tue Jul  8 18:34:00 2008
From: gladstonefamily.net at tedworld.com (Ted Lum)
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 19:34:00 -0400
Subject: [wxqc] Automatic Start
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First, go buy a UPS. You risk serious damage to the power supply and 
operating system of your computer without adequate filter and back up 
power. The kinds of transients that are generated in the power lines as 
the power goes out and comes back on can easily burn out the power 
supply. Turning off the power without first scheduling a power-down with 
the operating system can leave the system corrupt and require extensive 
rebuild of the operating system and reload of programs. Its not worth 
the risk.

As for starting programs... I'm not that familiar with VWS specifically. 
User mode programs run in the context of a user so user mode programs 
cannot run until the user actually logs into the machine, starting the 
context in which to run. Services run within their own user context and 
start with the machine not requiring someone to log in for them to run. 
There is a rather technical hack that will allow user mode programs to 
run in a service context on Windows machines. See here:

http://www.tacktech.com/display.cfm?ttid=197

This is not the easiest thing to set up for the novice while its pretty 
simple for the indoctrinated. srvany is not without its issues. For 
example, if you log out of a machine that is running a user program 
under srvany the application may catch the quit message and decide to 
close. This really depends on how a specific application behaves with 
Windows messages but often means that once you log in you can't log out 
without risking shutting down all your srvany services.Remember, srvany 
is a hack and is making an application do something that it was never 
meant to do, run unattended in the background. If you want reliability 
you need to select applications that were designed to properly run as a 
service from the ground up to begin with.

I was running WeatherLink under srvany on Windows 2003 Server until I 
recently switched to Wview on a Linksys NSLU2... partially because 
WeatherLink won't run native as a service and I was tired or rebooting 
every time I had to log in to do maintenance on the box..

-Ted-


Victor Engel wrote:
> Occasionally, especially with strong weather, I have power failures.
> It would be nice if my equipment would automatically start and load
> the appropriate weather software when the power comes back on. Can
> someone help me set this up given my setup?
>
> Dell Optiplex desktop running Windows XP. Currently, you have to press
> the power button to turn on the computer.
> I use VWS with VWSAPRS. The latter loads when Windows loads, but the
> former does not. That should be easy enough to change, I think. But
> how to get the computer to boot when power is turned on is my main
> goal.
>
> Victor
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From w_smith at compusmiths.com  Tue Jul  8 18:49:28 2008
From: w_smith at compusmiths.com (William P.N. Smith)
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 19:49:28 -0400
Subject: [wxqc] Automatic Start
In-Reply-To: <4873F968.5020601@tedworld.com>
References: <e0e999680807081246w4201dff9kbe35a4c297f8064a@mail.gmail.com>
	<4873F968.5020601@tedworld.com>
Message-ID: <4873FD08.3080000@compusmiths.com>

Ted Lum wrote:
> First, go buy a UPS.

Yeah, what Ted said!  Cheap insurance...

> As for starting programs... I'm not that familiar with VWS specifically.

"Professional" Windows (XP Pro, server, etc) usually require a user to 
log in before thay'll start anything, but XP Home will allow you to set 
things up so that the one and only one true suer will automatically be 
logged on when the computer starts.  First, (Control-panel, user 
accounts) make sure the user does not have a password (set it to blank), 
second make sure "use the welcome screen" is checked in "how users log on".

TweakUI can also be used to set a particular user to log on when the 
machine starts.

If that user has any programs in his Startup folder, they'll start when 
that user logs in.  You can copy programs (or make shortcuts to them) in:
C:\Documents and Settings\<Username>\Start Menu\Programs\Startup by 
browsing to the program in your start menu, right-click, copy, browse to 
the link above, and paste-shortcut.


> User mode programs run in the context of a user so user mode programs 
> cannot run until the user actually logs into the machine, starting the 
> context in which to run. Services run within their own user context and 
> start with the machine not requiring someone to log in for them to run. 
> There is a rather technical hack that will allow user mode programs to 
> run in a service context on Windows machines. See here:
> 
> http://www.tacktech.com/display.cfm?ttid=197
> 
> This is not the easiest thing to set up for the novice while its pretty 
> simple for the indoctrinated. srvany is not without its issues. For 
> example, if you log out of a machine that is running a user program 
> under srvany the application may catch the quit message and decide to 
> close. This really depends on how a specific application behaves with 
> Windows messages but often means that once you log in you can't log out 
> without risking shutting down all your srvany services.Remember, srvany 
> is a hack and is making an application do something that it was never 
> meant to do, run unattended in the background. If you want reliability 
> you need to select applications that were designed to properly run as a 
> service from the ground up to begin with.
> 
> I was running WeatherLink under srvany on Windows 2003 Server until I 
> recently switched to Wview on a Linksys NSLU2... partially because 
> WeatherLink won't run native as a service and I was tired or rebooting 
> every time I had to log in to do maintenance on the box..
> 
> -Ted-
> 
> 
> Victor Engel wrote:
>> Occasionally, especially with strong weather, I have power failures.
>> It would be nice if my equipment would automatically start and load
>> the appropriate weather software when the power comes back on. Can
>> someone help me set this up given my setup?
>>
>> Dell Optiplex desktop running Windows XP. Currently, you have to press
>> the power button to turn on the computer.
>> I use VWS with VWSAPRS. The latter loads when Windows loads, but the
>> former does not. That should be easy enough to change, I think. But
>> how to get the computer to boot when power is turned on is my main
>> goal.
>>
>> Victor
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From gladstonefamily.net at tedworld.com  Tue Jul  8 18:52:48 2008
From: gladstonefamily.net at tedworld.com (Ted Lum)
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 19:52:48 -0400
Subject: [wxqc] Temperature errors
In-Reply-To: <005301c8e143$eb1e0250$64c8a8c0@DH51DX31>
References: <005301c8e143$eb1e0250$64c8a8c0@DH51DX31>
Message-ID: <4873FDD0.90206@tedworld.com>

First of all your data looks awfully intermittent. Since the QC looks at 
stability you need to keep the station on line for a few days straight 
before taking the QC seriously.

Second, AR164 has some serious issues with his temperature which is 
likely to cause some "buddy check" problems.

-Ted-

Michael A. Backlund, PhD wrote:
> My VantagePro 2 reads the present temperature as 107 F (which is the 
> reporting station to CWOP).  My LaCrosse (former system) reads the 
> temperature as 111 F.  My mercury thermometer is reading 111 F.  One 
> would think therefore that my Davis sensor is reading low.  However 
> the analysis on CWOP shows my Davis sensor as having a problem with 
> solar radiation, i.e., it is reading abnormally high.  I don't get this. 
>  
> I have a radiation shield and an aspirating fan.  All is operating 
> fine, so far as I can tell.  I'd like to be sending in 
> acceptable/valid readings.  Any advice from y'all?
>  
> Thanks!
>  
> Michael Backlund
> CWOP CW9085 Angels Camp, California
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From DeerTrail131 at aol.com  Tue Jul  8 19:28:30 2008
From: DeerTrail131 at aol.com (DeerTrail131 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 20:28:30 EDT
Subject: [wxqc] Fwd:  Automatic Start
Message-ID: <d4d.26d90b0c.35a5602e@aol.com>

RELEASE NOTES
 
============================================================================
 
APC PowerChute Personal Edition 2.1.1 for Microsoft Windows Vista
 
============================================================================
 
System Requirements
 
The system requirements for PowerChute Personal Edition are as  
follows:-
 
Operating systems:
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Basic, Home Premium,  Business, Enterprise 
or Ultimate.
 
Internet Explorer 7.0 or higher (or any popular Internet  browser).
Graphics: Resolution of 800x600 with 16-bit colors (65536  colors).
 
Diskspace of 85MB is required for installation and uninstallation process.  
12 MB is required for the program files.
 
IMPORTANT: Upgrading PowerChute
If you already run PowerChute Personal  Edition and wish to upgrade your 
operating 
system to Windows Vista, you  should uninstall PowerChute BEFORE installing 
Vista. 
If you change to Vista  without uninstalling PowerChute, the PowerChute 
v2.1.1 
installation program  will inform you that it needs to uninstall the previous 
version and, due to  the different Registry settings on Vista, it will be 
unable to 
do so. Please  refer to the APC Knowledge Base or contact APC Technical 
Support for  
information in relation to uninstalling versions of PowerChute Personal  
Edition 
prior to 2.1.
 

A dialog stating that Vista is required while installing on Microsoft  
Windows Vista:
If, when installing PCPE on a Windows Vista machine, you  see a dialog 
stating 
that you require Microsoft Windows Vista, go to the  following link by 
copying 
and pasting it into your browser: 
_http://emea-en.apc.com/cgi-bin/emea_en.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=85
32_ 
(http://emea-en.apc.com/cgi-bin/emea_en.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=8532) 
 
(In the APC Knowledge base on the Web site, the answer ID is 8532).
 

Upgrading your operating system to Microsoft Windows Vista:
If you  upgrade your computer to Microsoft Windows Vista, you also need 
to upgrade  PowerChute to v2.1.1. Run the setup program to perform this 
upgrade. You  could receive a dialog stating that the application
might not have installed  correctly. This is a false message; you can 
ignore it by choosing the 'This  program is installed correctly' 
option to proceed.
 

Installing to a restricted access area:
Do not install the software  to a restricted access area of your 
computer such as ?Documents?.  Installation is performed using 
elevated privileges, so writing to a  restricted access area is possible. 
If this were done, the software would  malfunction for all users.
 

Possible issues with Windows Display Properties: 
If you have large  font settings or high contrast settings applied, you 
may notice that it can  affect the appearance of PowerChute Personal 
Edition. To rectify this, we  would recommend that you use the default 
Windows Display Properties, if  possible.
 

Multiple Setup Execution Issues: 
Problems may arise if you try to  run the installer twice in quick 
succession. When you launch the installer,  wait until it is finished 
before trying to run it again.
 

Fonts and DPI Scaling:
For best results, you should use the default  font settings for Vista 
and ensure that Windows XP style DPI scaling is  enabled. If your computer 
does not have the latter as the default setting  you can re-configure
it as follows:
1. Personalize your settings by  right-clicking on the desktop and
choosing Personalize.
2. Click on  'Adjust font size (DPI)'.
3. Click on the 'Custom DPI...' button.
4. Check  the 'Use Windows XP style DPI scaling' checkbox.
 

USB Hubs:
Self-powered USB Hubs: An external USB hub expands a  single port to 4
or 7 ports. If the hub gets its power directly from the PC  through 
the USB cable, it is said to be "bus-powered". If the power is  
supplied externally, in other words if it has its own power cord to 
plug  into an outlet, the hub is considered "self-powered". 
 
If the hub is self-powered, the external power cord must be plugged  
into a battery backup outlet on the UPS. Configured in this manner, 
the  UPS will be able to sustain power to the hub during an outage. 
Failure to do  so will result in a loss of power to the USB hub which 
will inhibit the  operation of all downstream peripherals. 
 

USB Extension Cables:
USB was designed to operate in the local  desktop environment. Full 
speed USB devices can be connected up to 5 meters  (~16.5 feet) apart. 
Low speed USB devices can be connected up to 3 meters  (~10 feet) apart. 
The APC USB UPSs are low speed peripherals and should be  connected 
directly to the PC or hub to ensure reliable operation of the  
PowerChute Personal Edition software. The USB Standards Committee and  
APC do not approve the usage of extended USB cables. Their usage will  
not harm USB equipment but overall system reliability could be  affected.
 

Keyboard Access:
It is not possible to navigate through the  application using the tab 
keys. Use your mouse to navigate around the  application.


Error Messages From USB Devices:
Ensure that all USB devices connected  to your computer via the USB 
port are powered up before booting up your  computer. This will prevent 
driver error messages from appearing and reduce  compatibility issues 
between devices. 
 

Restoring Native Power Management on uninstall of PowerChute Personal  
Edition:
When you uninstall PowerChute Personal Edition on Microsoft  Windows 
Vista, the Native Power Management feature is not always re-enabled.  
If this happens, it means that you cannot display the Power Icon on 
the  task bar and cannot configure Power Options.
 
If you require these features,  perform the following steps:
1.  Open the Device Manager from the control panel. 
2. Expand the 'Batteries  group' to reveal 'APC Battery BackUP' 
3. Right-click on the 'APC Battery  BackUP' and select the 'Uninstall' 
menu item, check the 'Delete the driver  software for this device' 
check-box and confirm the action. 
4. After a  few moments, select 'Action - Scan for hardware changes' 
menu item. 
The  'HID UPS Battery' node should appear in the 'Batteries' group.
 
=====================================================================  
All trademarks, product names, and corporate names are the property 
of  their respective owners and are used for informational purposes  
only.
=====================================================================
RON 
73 WD0BDQ
 
 
  
____________________________________
 From: DeerTrail131 at aol.com
Reply-to: wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net
To:  wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net
Sent: 7/8/2008 3:36:25 P.M. Mountain  Daylight Time
Subj: Re: [wxqc] Automatic Start


Dick W4AKE:
 
What about the local Phone Company, they have to provide their own backup  
system to keep the phones working in our area, which is a PUC law? Bijou  Phone 
Company _http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/product-compint-0000811437-page.html_ 
(http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/product-compint-0000811437-page.html)  which 
 their web-site is down?
 
But don't know about the DSL, which should be on the same generator at  the 
Central Office.
 
In this area, the outage is about 1 to 3 hours. During the Blizzard of  
December 26th, 2006 in this area, we never had an outage during that blizzard  
weird?
 
My Weather Station: 
_http://www.met.utah.edu/cgi-bin/droman/meso_base.cgi?stn=D0573_ (http://www.met.utah.edu/cgi-bin/droman/meso_base.cgi?stn=D0573) 
Or
_http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/wxpage.cgi?DW0573_ 
(http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/wxpage.cgi?DW0573) 
 
I have the older APC for Windows Me, but not for Windows Vista, which the  
Weather Station runs 24/7
 
Thanks
Ron WD0BDQ
 
 
In a message dated 7/8/2008 2:23:05 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
w4ake at att.net writes:




Victor:  If you have short power failures a APC back-up power  supply will 
work. ( _www.apc.com_ (http://www.apc.com/)  ) I live in Hurricane Country and  
lightning capital of the world so we get many short surges plus long power  
outages so I use the following; 2 8D gel batteries that supply power to a  1000w 
inverter that powers my router, DSL modem using the phone line and my  
weather computer is a laptop that runs off the 12v batteries. This will keep  my 
station running about 5 days . I use a marine battery charger the keep  the 
batteries charged and a gas generator to recharge the system should the  outage 
last longer. Being a Ham, if the phone line goes out I can use aVHF  transmitter 
to get the data to findu via rf aprs. The Ham rig also works off  12v.
 
Dick W4AKE 

--------------  Original message from "Victor Engel" <brillig at gmail.com>:  
-------------- 


> Occasionally, especially with strong  weather, I have power failures. 
> It would be nice if my equipment  would automatically start and load 
> the appropriate weather  software when the power comes back on. Can 
> someone help me set  this up given my setup? 
> 
> Dell Optiplex desktop running  Windows XP. Currently, you have to press 
> the power button to turn  on the computer. 
> I use VWS with VWSAPRS. The latter loads when  Windows loads, but the 
> former does not. That should be easy  enough to change, I think. But 
> how to get the computer to boot  when power is turned on is my main 
> goal. 
> 
> Victor  
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From steve at softwx.com  Tue Jul  8 20:21:56 2008
From: steve at softwx.com (Steve)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 19:21:56 -0600
Subject: [wxqc] Automatic Start
In-Reply-To: <4873FD08.3080000@compusmiths.com>
References: <e0e999680807081246w4201dff9kbe35a4c297f8064a@mail.gmail.com><4873F968.5020601@tedworld.com>
	<4873FD08.3080000@compusmiths.com>
Message-ID: <2684D6E09A8C4F52A1E87ED6A4FDA34C@shrek>

It's possible to configure Windows to automatically log into an account 
after the machine boots, even a password protected account, and even if you 
have other accounts defined on the machine. I had my PC configured for a 
while to automatically log into an account called "weather", get the weather 
programs started, and then shortly after that go back to the windows login 
screen (with the weather account running in the background). It worked 
pretty well.

This page describes how to set up the automatic login:
http://windowsxp.mvps.org/Autologon.htm

Steve

This page describes how:
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William P.N. Smith" <w_smith at compusmiths.com>
To: "Discussion of weather data quality issues" 
<wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net>
Sent: 07/08/2008 5:49 PM
Subject: Re: [wxqc] Automatic Start


> Ted Lum wrote:
>> First, go buy a UPS.
>
> Yeah, what Ted said!  Cheap insurance...
>
>> As for starting programs... I'm not that familiar with VWS specifically.
>
> "Professional" Windows (XP Pro, server, etc) usually require a user to log 
> in before thay'll start anything, but XP Home will allow you to set things 
> up so that the one and only one true suer will automatically be logged on 
> when the computer starts.  First, (Control-panel, user accounts) make sure 
> the user does not have a password (set it to blank), second make sure "use 
> the welcome screen" is checked in "how users log on".
>
> TweakUI can also be used to set a particular user to log on when the 
> machine starts.
>
> If that user has any programs in his Startup folder, they'll start when 
> that user logs in.  You can copy programs (or make shortcuts to them) in:
> C:\Documents and Settings\<Username>\Start Menu\Programs\Startup by 
> browsing to the program in your start menu, right-click, copy, browse to 
> the link above, and paste-shortcut.
>
>
>> User mode programs run in the context of a user so user mode programs 
>> cannot run until the user actually logs into the machine, starting the 
>> context in which to run. Services run within their own user context and 
>> start with the machine not requiring someone to log in for them to run. 
>> There is a rather technical hack that will allow user mode programs to 
>> run in a service context on Windows machines. See here:
>>
>> http://www.tacktech.com/display.cfm?ttid=197
>>
>> This is not the easiest thing to set up for the novice while its pretty 
>> simple for the indoctrinated. srvany is not without its issues. For 
>> example, if you log out of a machine that is running a user program under 
>> srvany the application may catch the quit message and decide to close. 
>> This really depends on how a specific application behaves with Windows 
>> messages but often means that once you log in you can't log out without 
>> risking shutting down all your srvany services.Remember, srvany is a hack 
>> and is making an application do something that it was never meant to do, 
>> run unattended in the background. If you want reliability you need to 
>> select applications that were designed to properly run as a service from 
>> the ground up to begin with.
>>
>> I was running WeatherLink under srvany on Windows 2003 Server until I 
>> recently switched to Wview on a Linksys NSLU2... partially because 
>> WeatherLink won't run native as a service and I was tired or rebooting 
>> every time I had to log in to do maintenance on the box..
>>
>> -Ted-
>>
>>
>> Victor Engel wrote:
>>> Occasionally, especially with strong weather, I have power failures.
>>> It would be nice if my equipment would automatically start and load
>>> the appropriate weather software when the power comes back on. Can
>>> someone help me set this up given my setup?
>>>
>>> Dell Optiplex desktop running Windows XP. Currently, you have to press
>>> the power button to turn on the computer.
>>> I use VWS with VWSAPRS. The latter loads when Windows loads, but the
>>> former does not. That should be easy enough to change, I think. But
>>> how to get the computer to boot when power is turned on is my main
>>> goal.
>>>
>>> Victor
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net
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>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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From george at prevelige.com  Tue Jul  8 22:17:13 2008
From: george at prevelige.com (George Prevelige)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 22:17:13 -0500
Subject: [wxqc] Automatic Start
Message-ID: <001801c8e172$4895d740$d9c185c0$@com>

Victor,

 

To get your computer to turn on after a power failure:

Restart your computer but push the F2 key before the Windows logo appears.

This will get you into your system settings. Buried within these settings
you will see something called, Power Failure Recovery.

On the Optiplex, I believe it is under Power Management and is called AC
Power Recovery. Toggle this ON.

 

If you don't see this option, make sure your BIOS is up to date (dell.com
can help you do that).

 

To have VWS start automatically:

Make a shortcut of the vws.exe (right click on the vws.exe file and select
Create shortcut)

Put this shortcut in the Startup folder, which is probably located here:
C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Start Menu\Programs\Startup

 

Hope this helps.

 

 

 

 

 

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From w4ake at att.net  Wed Jul  9 07:30:39 2008
From: w4ake at att.net (w4ake at att.net)
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 12:30:39 +0000
Subject: [wxqc] Automatic Start
In-Reply-To: <c4a.2f7f0c54.35a533e7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <070920081230.7404.4874AF6E000ABE7000001CEC22243323629B0A02D29B9B0EBF0A050ECB99@att.net>

Ron: In our area (S.Fla.) Most phone lines are buried. ATT bought the local phone company and have replaced the lines with fiber-optics. So they have worked during power outages thru Andrew ,Wilma, and all the ones in between. My system was designed to keep the weather computer running so no neede to re-boot it. But should the DSL go down I still have Ham Radio to pass the data. Another reason for the battery bank.

By the way. I am trying out the new WeatherlinkIP which needs no computer to transmit data so if it goes off it will go on again soon as there is power. Anyone with Davis equipment should look at it. I have been running it for 3 Mo. now.

Dick  w4ake
-------------- Original message from DeerTrail131 at aol.com: -------------- 


Dick W4AKE:

What about the local Phone Company, they have to provide their own backup system to keep the phones working in our area, which is a PUC law? Bijou Phone Company http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/product-compint-0000811437-page.html which their web-site is down?

But don't know about the DSL, which should be on the same generator at the Central Office.

In this area, the outage is about 1 to 3 hours. During the Blizzard of December 26th, 2006 in this area, we never had an outage during that blizzard weird?

My Weather Station: http://www.met.utah.edu/cgi-bin/droman/meso_base.cgi?stn=D0573
Or
http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/wxpage.cgi?DW0573

I have the older APC for Windows Me, but not for Windows Vista, which the Weather Station runs 24/7

Thanks
Ron WD0BDQ

In a message dated 7/8/2008 2:23:05 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, w4ake at att.net writes:



Victor:  If you have short power failures a APC back-up power supply will work. ( www.apc.com ) I live in Hurricane Country and lightning capital of the world so we get many short surges plus long power outages so I use the following; 2 8D gel batteries that supply power to a 1000w inverter that powers my router, DSL modem using the phone line and my weather computer is a laptop that runs off the 12v batteries. This will keep my station running about 5 days . I use a marine battery charger the keep the batteries charged and a gas generator to recharge the system should the outage last longer. Being a Ham, if the phone line goes out I can use aVHF transmitter to get the data to findu via rf aprs. The Ham rig also works off 12v.

Dick W4AKE 
-------------- Original message from "Victor Engel" <brillig at gmail.com>: -------------- 


> Occasionally, especially with strong weather, I have power failures. 
> It would be nice if my equipment would automatically start and load 
> the appropriate weather software when the power comes back on. Can 
> someone help me set this up given my setup? 
> 
> Dell Optiplex desktop running Windows XP. Currently, you have to press 
> the power button to turn on the computer. 
> I use VWS with VWSAPRS. The latter loads when Windows loads, but the 
> former does not. That should be easy enough to change, I think. But 
> how to get the computer to boot when power is turned on is my main 
> goal. 
> 
> Victor 
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From zalmor64 at gmail.com  Wed Jul  9 07:31:18 2008
From: zalmor64 at gmail.com (Michael Andrews)
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 08:31:18 -0400
Subject: [wxqc] Automatic Start
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     I have an APC power unit backup for my hardware and use StartWatch 
<http://www.softwx.com/windows/startwatch.html> to start about 6 
software programs in a user defined sequence.  StartWatch when 
registered can  monitor/restart crashed/hung programs. There is a 30 
trial key which can be obtained for full functionality, after 30 days it 
will revert back to just starting up programs in sequence w/o the 
software program crash monitoring with restart option.

Victor Engel wrote:
> Occasionally, especially with strong weather, I have power failures.
> It would be nice if my equipment would automatically start and load
> the appropriate weather software when the power comes back on. Can
> someone help me set this up given my setup?
>
> Dell Optiplex desktop running Windows XP. Currently, you have to press
> the power button to turn on the computer.
> I use VWS with VWSAPRS. The latter loads when Windows loads, but the
> former does not. That should be easy enough to change, I think. But
> how to get the computer to boot when power is turned on is my main
> goal.
>
> Victor
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From DeerTrail131 at aol.com  Wed Jul  9 12:40:49 2008
From: DeerTrail131 at aol.com (DeerTrail131 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 13:40:49 EDT
Subject: [wxqc] Automatic Start
Message-ID: <c90.296d43a9.35a65221@aol.com>

Does this work with Dell Windows Vista Premium Too?
 
Ron
 
 
In a message dated 7/8/2008 10:19:39 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
george at prevelige.com writes:

 
Victor, 
To get your  computer to turn on after a power failure: 
Restart your  computer but push the F2 key before the Windows logo  appears. 
This will get you  into your system settings. Buried within these settings 
you will see something  called, Power Failure Recovery. 
On the Optiplex,  I believe it is under Power Management and is called AC 
Power Recovery. Toggle  this ON. 
If you don?t see  this option, make sure your BIOS is up to date (dell.com 
can help you do  that). 
To have VWS start  automatically: 
Make a shortcut  of the vws.exe (right click on the vws.exe file and select 
Create  shortcut) 
Put this shortcut  in the Startup folder, which is probably located here: 
C:\Documents and  Settings\All Users\Start Menu\Programs\Startup 
Hope this  helps. 



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From DeerTrail131 at aol.com  Wed Jul  9 12:36:27 2008
From: DeerTrail131 at aol.com (DeerTrail131 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 13:36:27 EDT
Subject: [wxqc] Automatic Start
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Dick  w4ake:
 
I forgot that the local phone company has their phone lines underground,  
plus fiber optics that go into Denver, Colorado. (Quest) They still  have back/up 
generators for AC outages. The APC that I had on the  Windows Me, work to 
keep the computer running, just long enough to shut it down  or about 10-minutes 
for back/up.
 
The Windows Vista that I use for the Weather Station has no  back/up as of 
now. Was thinking about using a APC for Vista. The Deer Trail  School District 
26 J, were the Weather Station use to be at, had a APC back/up  with the 
Windows XP, but that only stayed on line for about 10-minutes also.  Long story.
 
I am using a La Crosse 2417 into Vista , using Weather  Display software, out 
to the Internet.  
 
When the power is restored? Which has never happened so far with Vista, I  
have to restart the computer, but the Weather Station starts on it own. 
 
Ron WD0BDQ
 
 
In a message dated 7/9/2008 6:31:57 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
w4ake at att.net writes:




Ron: In our area (S.Fla.) Most phone lines are buried. ATT bought the  local 
phone company and have replaced the lines with fiber-optics. So they  have 
worked during power outages thru Andrew ,Wilma, and all the ones in  between. My 
system was designed to keep the weather computer running so no  neede to 
re-boot it. But should the DSL go down I still have Ham Radio to pass  the data. 
Another reason for the battery bank.
 
By the way. I am trying out the new WeatherlinkIP which needs no computer  to 
transmit data so if it goes off it will go on again soon as there is power.  
Anyone with Davis equipment should look at it. I have been running it for 3  
Mo. now.
 
Dick  w4ake

--------------  Original message from DeerTrail131 at aol.com: -------------- 

Dick W4AKE:
 
What about the local Phone Company, they have to provide their own  backup 
system to keep the phones working in our area, which is a PUC  law? Bijou Phone 
Company _http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/product-compint-0000811437-page.html_ 
(http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/product-compint-0000811437-page.html)  which 
 their web-site is down?
 
But don't know about the DSL, which should be on the same generator at  the 
Central Office.
 
In this area, the outage is about 1 to 3 hours. During the Blizzard of  
December 26th, 2006 in this area, we never had an outage during that  blizzard 
weird?
 
My Weather Station: 
_http://www.met.utah.edu/cgi-bin/droman/meso_base.cgi?stn=D0573_ (http://www.met.utah.edu/cgi-bin/droman/meso_base.cgi?stn=D0573) 
Or
_http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/wxpage.cgi?DW0573_ 
(http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/wxpage.cgi?DW0573) 
 
I have the older APC for Windows Me, but not for Windows Vista, which  the 
Weather Station runs 24/7
 
Thanks
Ron WD0BDQ
 
 
In a message dated 7/8/2008 2:23:05 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
w4ake at att.net writes:




Victor:  If you have short power failures a APC back-up power  supply will 
work. ( _www.apc.com_ (http://www.apc.com/)  ) I live in Hurricane Country  and 
lightning capital of the world so we get many short surges plus long  power 
outages so I use the following; 2 8D gel batteries that supply power  to a 1000w 
inverter that powers my router, DSL modem using the phone line  and my 
weather computer is a laptop that runs off the 12v batteries. This  will keep my 
station running about 5 days . I use a marine battery charger  the keep the 
batteries charged and a gas generator to recharge the system  should the outage 
last longer. Being a Ham, if the phone line goes out I  can use aVHF transmitter 
to get the data to findu via rf aprs. The Ham rig  also works off 12v.
 
Dick W4AKE 

--------------  Original message from "Victor Engel" <brillig at gmail.com>:  
-------------- 


> Occasionally, especially with strong  weather, I have power failures. 
> It would be nice if my  equipment would automatically start and load 
> the appropriate  weather software when the power comes back on. Can 
> someone help  me set this up given my setup? 
> 
> Dell Optiplex desktop  running Windows XP. Currently, you have to press 
> the power  button to turn on the computer. 
> I use VWS with VWSAPRS. The  latter loads when Windows loads, but the 
> former does not. That  should be easy enough to change, I think. But 
> how to get the  computer to boot when power is turned on is my main 
> goal.  
> 
> Victor 
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From Scidig at aol.com  Wed Jul  9 13:07:30 2008
From: Scidig at aol.com (Scidig at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 14:07:30 EDT
Subject: [wxqc] Automatic Start
Message-ID: <c55.2d22635d.35a65862@aol.com>

I'm lucky to have a building with a 12KW Koehler genset with auto transfer  
switch, computers all have APC UPS's. If power goes out they are only on the  
UPS's for three to eight seconds when the genset kicks in.
Joe      CW2404
 
 
In a message dated 7/9/2008 1:53:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
DeerTrail131 at aol.com writes:

Dick  w4ake:
 
I forgot that the local phone company has their phone lines underground,  
plus fiber optics that go into Denver, Colorado. (Quest) They still  have back/up 
generators for AC outages. The APC that I had on the  Windows Me, work to 
keep the computer running, just long enough to shut it  down or about 10-minutes 
for back/up.
 
The Windows Vista that I use for the Weather Station has no  back/up as of 
now. Was thinking about using a APC for Vista. The Deer Trail  School District 
26 J, were the Weather Station use to be at, had a APC back/up  with the 
Windows XP, but that only stayed on line for about 10-minutes also.  Long story.
 
I am using a La Crosse 2417 into Vista , using Weather  Display software, out 
to the Internet.  
 
When the power is restored? Which has never happened so far with Vista, I  
have to restart the computer, but the Weather Station starts on it own. 
 
Ron WD0BDQ
 
 
In a message dated 7/9/2008 6:31:57 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
w4ake at att.net writes:




Ron: In our area (S.Fla.) Most phone lines are buried. ATT bought the  local 
phone company and have replaced the lines with fiber-optics. So they  have 
worked during power outages thru Andrew ,Wilma, and all the ones in  between. My 
system was designed to keep the weather computer running so no  neede to 
re-boot it. But should the DSL go down I still have Ham Radio to  pass the data. 
Another reason for the battery bank.
 
By the way. I am trying out the new WeatherlinkIP which needs no  computer to 
transmit data so if it goes off it will go on again soon as  there is power. 
Anyone with Davis equipment should look at it. I have been  running it for 3 
Mo. now.
 
Dick  w4ake

--------------  Original message from DeerTrail131 at aol.com: -------------- 

Dick W4AKE:
 
What about the local Phone Company, they have to provide their own  backup 
system to keep the phones working in our area, which is a PUC  law? Bijou Phone 
Company _http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/product-compint-0000811437-page.html_ 
(http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/product-compint-0000811437-page.html)  which 
 their web-site is down?
 
But don't know about the DSL, which should be on the same generator  at the 
Central Office.
 
In this area, the outage is about 1 to 3 hours. During the Blizzard  of 
December 26th, 2006 in this area, we never had an outage during that  blizzard 
weird?
 
My Weather Station: 
_http://www.met.utah.edu/cgi-bin/droman/meso_base.cgi?stn=D0573_ (http://www.met.utah.edu/cgi-bin/droman/meso_base.cgi?stn=D0573) 
Or
_http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/wxpage.cgi?DW0573_ 
(http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/wxpage.cgi?DW0573) 
 
I have the older APC for Windows Me, but not for Windows Vista, which  the 
Weather Station runs 24/7
 
Thanks
Ron WD0BDQ
 
 
In a message dated 7/8/2008 2:23:05 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
w4ake at att.net writes:




Victor:  If you have short power failures a APC back-up power  supply will 
work. ( _www.apc.com_ (http://www.apc.com/)  ) I live in Hurricane Country  and 
lightning capital of the world so we get many short surges plus long  power 
outages so I use the following; 2 8D gel batteries that supply  power to a 1000w 
inverter that powers my router, DSL modem using the  phone line and my 
weather computer is a laptop that runs off the 12v  batteries. This will keep my 
station running about 5 days . I use a  marine battery charger the keep the 
batteries charged and a gas  generator to recharge the system should the outage 
last longer. Being a  Ham, if the phone line goes out I can use aVHF transmitter 
to get the  data to findu via rf aprs. The Ham rig also works off 12v.
 
Dick W4AKE 

--------------  Original message from "Victor Engel" <brillig at gmail.com>:  
-------------- 


> Occasionally, especially with strong  weather, I have power failures. 
> It would be nice if my  equipment would automatically start and load 
> the appropriate  weather software when the power comes back on. Can 
> someone  help me set this up given my setup? 
> 
> Dell Optiplex  desktop running Windows XP. Currently, you have to press 
> the  power button to turn on the computer. 
> I use VWS with VWSAPRS.  The latter loads when Windows loads, but the 
> former does not.  That should be easy enough to change, I think. But 
> how to get  the computer to boot when power is turned on is my main 
> goal.  
> 
> Victor 
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From gladstonefamily.net at tedworld.com  Wed Jul  9 17:07:59 2008
From: gladstonefamily.net at tedworld.com (Ted Lum)
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 18:07:59 -0400
Subject: [wxqc] Automatic Start
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Anyone thinking about a WeatherLink IP should tread carefully. I 
recently tried one out for 5 days before sending it back for a refund.

They cost $300 from Davis (which is the only way to do the upgrade 
offer). If you already own another data logger Davis will credit you for 
its return within 30 days so your out-of-pocket is $130. It you don't 
already own a Davis data logger then your out-of-pocket is $300, or a 
little less from other retailers.

WeatherLink IP can basically do two things; 1) act as an IP interface 
for WeatherLink software, and 2) upload your data to weatherlink.com. 
Right now it cannot do both together correctly! I spent the five days 
with a protocol analyzer trying to figure out what the problem was. It 
became apparent that WeatherLink software and weatherlink.com were 
stepping all over each other so I had about 20% failure rate with 
WeatherLink. Since weatherlink.com is a hosted solution, you can't see 
the logs, and it does not log locally, so I could not really tell what 
the weatherlink.com failure rate was though I believe that it was about 
the same. There are a lot of other things that it can't do at the same 
time, like renew its IP address with your DHCP server, so I would 
suggest using a static IP to eliminate this problem. It has a simple web 
server that hosts the configuration page but if you hit that at the same 
time its trying to do something else either the page won't display or 
you'll kill the data upload. I could go on an on about all the picky 
issues it has but this really covers the big ones.

Davis was unresponsive to email and did not answer the support phone 
when I called. When I called to tell them I was returning the unit I 
suddenly got a reply to my email - one week later now - saying that they 
had not replied because they did not have an answer... seems to be part 
of the culture there, ignore the customer until you know what to tell 
them, even if that's never. In that response they did acknowledged the 
problems but said it would take a major revision of WeatherLink software 
to fix them and in their words "won't happen any time soon".

If the only thing you're looking to do is take a PC out of the loop and 
have the data uploaded 24x7 to a hosted data aggregation server where 
you then have the option to download it to WeatherLink or send it on to 
Wunderground and CWOP, and you don't mind paying a lot more than the 
device is worth, and no support that you can count on is alright with 
you, then consider the WeatherLink IP. If you have higher expectations 
or different needs you will not be satisfied with the WeatherLinkIP, but 
you do have 30 days to return it to Davis as long as that's where you 
got it in the first place and you haven't sent in for the upgrade rebate.

Now... there is this device called an NSLU2. It was made by Linksys. You 
can buy them used for around $50, I did. You can even find some new ones 
still for < $100. With an alternate firmware flashed into the unit you 
can do a full blown Debian (or other) Linux install and then use a Linux 
weather program like Wview (open source). You'll also need a USB thumb 
drive or USB hard disk to complete the package. In the end with this 
setup you will have a full blown weather program (look at Wview feature 
list) running on an embedded platform for far less than even the upgrade 
price of the WeatherLinkIP. So in my mind the only reason to go with the 
WeatherLink IP, with far less capability (not too mention so many 
issues), and far more money, is you can't do the the NSLU2 hack yourself 
or can't find some geek friend that can do it for you.

These words depict my personal experience, yours may vary.

-Ted-

w4ake at att.net wrote:
> Ron: In our area (S.Fla.) Most phone lines are buried. ATT bought the 
> local phone company and have replaced the lines with fiber-optics. So 
> they have worked during power outages thru Andrew ,Wilma, and all the 
> ones in between. My system was designed to keep the weather computer 
> running so no neede to re-boot it. But should the DSL go down I still 
> have Ham Radio to pass the data. Another reason for the battery bank.
>  
> By the way. I am trying out the new WeatherlinkIP which needs no 
> computer to transmit data so if it goes off it will go on again soon 
> as there is power. Anyone with Davis equipment should look at it. I 
> have been running it for 3 Mo. now.
>  
> Dick  w4ake
>
>     -------------- Original message from DeerTrail131 at aol.com:
>     --------------
>
>     Dick W4AKE:
>      
>     What about the local Phone Company, they have to provide their own
>     backup system to keep the phones working in our area, which is a
>     PUC law? Bijou Phone Company
>     http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/product-compint-0000811437-page.html which
>     their web-site is down?
>      
>     But don't know about the DSL, which should be on the same
>     generator at the Central Office.
>      
>     In this area, the outage is about 1 to 3 hours. During the
>     Blizzard of December 26th, 2006 in this area, we never had an
>     outage during that blizzard weird?
>      
>     My Weather Station:
>     http://www.met.utah.edu/cgi-bin/droman/meso_base.cgi?stn=D0573
>     Or
>     http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/wxpage.cgi?DW0573
>      
>     I have the older APC for Windows Me, but not for Windows Vista,
>     which the Weather Station runs 24/7
>      
>     Thanks
>     Ron WD0BDQ
>      
>     In a message dated 7/8/2008 2:23:05 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
>     w4ake at att.net writes:
>
>
>
>         Victor:  If you have short power failures a APC back-up power
>         supply will work. ( www.apc.com <http://www.apc.com/> ) I live
>         in Hurricane Country and lightning capital of the world so we
>         get many short surges plus long power outages so I use the
>         following; 2 8D gel batteries that supply power to a 1000w
>         inverter that powers my router, DSL modem using the phone line
>         and my weather computer is a laptop that runs off the 12v
>         batteries. This will keep my station running about 5 days . I
>         use a marine battery charger the keep the batteries charged
>         and a gas generator to recharge the system should the outage
>         last longer. Being a Ham, if the phone line goes out I can use
>         aVHF transmitter to get the data to findu via rf aprs. The Ham
>         rig also works off 12v.
>          
>         Dick W4AKE 
>
>             -------------- Original message from "Victor Engel"
>             <brillig at gmail.com>: --------------
>
>
>             > Occasionally, especially with strong weather, I have
>             power failures.
>             > It would be nice if my equipment would automatically
>             start and load
>             > the appropriate weather software when the power comes
>             back on. Can
>             > someone help me set this up given my setup?
>             >
>             > Dell Optiplex desktop running Windows XP. Currently, you
>             have to press
>             > the power button to turn on the computer.
>             > I use VWS with VWSAPRS. The latter loads when Windows
>             loads, but the
>             > former does not. That should be easy enough to change, I
>             think. But
>             > how to get the computer to boot when power is turned on
>             is my main
>             > goal.
>             >
>             > Victor
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