[wxqc] Analysis Question

John M. Markle kl7ifp at msn.com
Thu Dec 11 10:48:17 CST 2008


  I find this  Analysis a big joke. I track consistance with 3  airports and a NWS  station all within 20miles of me yet always get bad reports that something wrong even with out touching any thing. There data strip shows big gaps in it. Shut down to update WD and  they come back  with your  so many MB out. But yet mesowest site which is what they feed i believe  shows green tag since i got equipment in line with  the NWS and airports  Metars. It would be more benefical is we knew who they where using to compare us with and how far away they where instead they say only MADIS  knows. That is why I say it is a joke. they critique you but yet  you don't know who  they are using. heck it migth be a station in NY and I am in Alaska  for all I know. Give us the data back so we can see  who we are being compared with.
 
 Another thing I notice with stations listed  at bottom of the page some are maritime staion only listing air or water temp, incomplete  data, and some are airports but nothing constisted in the reading crteria from them. Are they what we are compared to
 
 
John
DW1453
 
> From: wxqc-request at lists.gladstonefamily.net> Subject: wxqc Digest, Vol 50, Issue 6> To: wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:37:44 -0600> > Send wxqc mailing list submissions to> wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit> http://server.gladstonefamily.net/mailman/listinfo/wxqc> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to> wxqc-request at lists.gladstonefamily.net> > You can reach the person managing the list at> wxqc-owner at lists.gladstonefamily.net> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific> than "Re: Contents of wxqc digest..."> > > Today's Topics:> > 1. Re: Analysis Question (Mike Bates)> 2. Re: Analysis Question (Alan Hensley)> 3. Re: Analysis Question (Joe Niederhofer)> 4. Re: Analysis Question (Mike Bates)> 5. Re: Analysis Question (Alan Hensley)> 6. Solar heating on cloudy days (Derek McIntyre N4DBM)> 7. Humidity Jumps Normal? (Derek McIntyre N4DBM)> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > Message: 1> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:53:50 -0700> From: Mike Bates <n7dq at comcast.net>> Subject: Re: [wxqc] Analysis Question> To: Discussion of weather data quality issues> <wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net>> Message-ID: <49401E4E.9040904 at comcast.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----> Hash: SHA1> > Alan,> > What software are you using? I have found that I had to get the> software setup as well as the Davis Pro console setup correctly first,> once I did that things came into alignment.> > Mike> > Alan Hensley wrote:> > .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { font-size:> > 10pt; font-family:Verdana }> > After calibrating my Davis Vantage Pro 2 to match the analysis, I> > think the analysis is off. I am only 5 miles from Haleyville> > Airport's expensive Metar reporting equipment. But I am getting an> > error from the CWOP analysis for some of my readings. My question> > is, how are these analysis determined? Not only are my readings in> > line with the Metar reporting station, they are also> > within tolerances with most of the nearby reporting stations listed> > at the bottom of the report.> > > > Alan> >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. Get your> > Hotmail? account.> > <http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008>> >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> >> > _______________________________________________> > wxqc mailing list> > Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net> > To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to:> > http://server.gladstonefamily.net/mailman/listinfo/wxqc> > To search the archives:> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=008314629403309390388%3Aknlfnptih9u> >> > The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author.> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----> Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32)> Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org> > iD8DBQFJQB42IoSvDzn8dfMRAucqAJ4+zrzp8Zgjty+SXtk4opRBivjwLQCeIWp8> fqO/SgnH+1yY14ftEXph0g4=> =tZBH> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----> > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 2> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:17:57 -0600> From: Alan Hensley <ke8bp at hotmail.com>> Subject: Re: [wxqc] Analysis Question> To: <wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net>> Message-ID: <BAY138-W3796C6585EC28C0F28E49BEBFB0 at phx.gbl>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > > Mike, I am using WeatherLink 5.8.1 Mike,> Alan> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:53:50 -0700> From: n7dq at comcast.net> To: wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net> Subject: Re: [wxqc] Analysis Question> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----> Hash: SHA1> > Alan,> > What software are you using? I have found that I had to get the> software setup as well as the Davis Pro console setup correctly first,> once I did that things came into alignment.> > Mike> > Alan Hensley wrote:> > .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { font-size:> > 10pt; font-family:Verdana }> > After calibrating my Davis Vantage Pro 2 to match the analysis, I> > think the analysis is off. I am only 5 miles from Haleyville> > Airport's expensive Metar reporting equipment. But I am getting an> > error from the CWOP analysis for some of my readings. My question> > is, how are these analysis determined? Not only are my readings in> > line with the Metar reporting station, they are also> > within tolerances with most of the nearby reporting stations listed> > at the bottom of the report.> > > > Alan> >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. 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No map, no compass.> http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_anywhere_122008> -------------- next part --------------> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...> URL: <http://server.gladstonefamily.net/pipermail/wxqc/attachments/20081210/53463b65/attachment-0001.html>> > ------------------------------> > Message: 3> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:19:23 -0600> From: "Joe Niederhofer" <joe.niederhofer at rhutasel.net>> Subject: Re: [wxqc] Analysis Question> To: "Discussion of weather data quality issues"> <wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net>> Message-ID: <07FC308BC0184A2F9C53D69B6FA51A7F at JOE>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";> reply-type=original> > I am having a similar issue. Fairly new station, everything was pretty much > dead on, until the local airport's info started going "wrong"> > Airport http://weather.gladstonefamily.net/site/KENL> > Mine http://weather.gladstonefamily.net/site/D1376> > I'm hesitant to change anything until their analysis gets closer.> > Davis VP2, VWS, V14, P39 (I think)> > Joe> PS Not sure I am using this email properly. First timer. Please don't > flame.> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Bates" <n7dq at comcast.net>> To: "Discussion of weather data quality issues" > <wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net>> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 1:53 PM> Subject: Re: [wxqc] Analysis Question> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----> Hash: SHA1> > Alan,> > What software are you using? I have found that I had to get the> software setup as well as the Davis Pro console setup correctly first,> once I did that things came into alignment.> > Mike> > Alan Hensley wrote:> > .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { font-size:> > 10pt; font-family:Verdana }> > After calibrating my Davis Vantage Pro 2 to match the analysis, I> > think the analysis is off. I am only 5 miles from Haleyville> > Airport's expensive Metar reporting equipment. But I am getting an> > error from the CWOP analysis for some of my readings. My question> > is, how are these analysis determined? Not only are my readings in> > line with the Metar reporting station, they are also> > within tolerances with most of the nearby reporting stations listed> > at the bottom of the report.> >> > Alan> >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. Get your> > Hotmail? account.> > <http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008>> >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> >> > _______________________________________________> > wxqc mailing list> > Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net> > To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to:> > http://server.gladstonefamily.net/mailman/listinfo/wxqc> > To search the archives:> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=008314629403309390388%3Aknlfnptih9u> >> > The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author.> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----> Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32)> Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org> > iD8DBQFJQB42IoSvDzn8dfMRAucqAJ4+zrzp8Zgjty+SXtk4opRBivjwLQCeIWp8> fqO/SgnH+1yY14ftEXph0g4=> =tZBH> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----> > _______________________________________________> wxqc mailing list> Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net> To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to:> http://server.gladstonefamily.net/mailman/listinfo/wxqc> To search the archives: > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=008314629403309390388%3Aknlfnptih9u> > The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author.> > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 4> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:24:31 -0700> From: Mike Bates <n7dq at comcast.net>> Subject: Re: [wxqc] Analysis Question> To: Discussion of weather data quality issues> <wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net>> Message-ID: <4940338F.1070308 at comcast.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----> Hash: SHA1> > Alan,> > With Weather Display I did the following and there may be something> comparable on WeatherLink:> > 1. On the console set the altitude> 2. On the console set the barometer to the closest reliable barometer,> in my case the airport 5 miles away.> 3. In Weather Display on the CWOP setup there was a checkbox that says> "Send Altimeter pressure". It looks like it now sends the raw> altimeter pressure which CWOP does some magic with for comparison.> With Weather Link this may not be an issue.> > I think items 1 and 2 are the key for me.> > Mike - N7DQ> > Alan Hensley wrote:> > .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage {> > font-size: 10pt; font-family:Verdana } Mike, I am using WeatherLink> > 5.8.1 Mike, Alan> >> >> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:53:50 -0700 From: n7dq at comcast.net To:> >> wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net Subject: Re: [wxqc] Analysis> >> Question> >>> > Alan,> >> > What software are you using? I have found that I had to get the> > software setup as well as the Davis Pro console setup correctly> > first, once I did that things came into alignment.> >> > Mike> >> > Alan Hensley wrote:> >> .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage {> >> font-size: 10pt; font-family:Verdana } After calibrating my Davis> >> Vantage Pro 2 to match the analysis, I think the analysis is> >> off. I am only 5 miles from Haleyville Airport's expensive Metar> >> reporting equipment. But I am getting an error from the CWOP> >> analysis for some of my readings. My question is, how are these> >> analysis determined? Not only are my readings in line with the> >> Metar reporting station, they are also within tolerances with> >> most of the nearby reporting stations listed at the bottom of the> >> report.> >> >> Alan> >> >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------> >> Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. Get> >> your Hotmail? account.> >> >>> > <http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008>> >> >> >> >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ wxqc mailing list> >> Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net To unsubcribe or> >> change delivery options, please go to:> >> http://server.gladstonefamily.net/mailman/listinfo/wxqc To search> >> the archives:> > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=008314629403309390388%3Aknlfnptih9u> >> >> >> >> The contents of this message are the responsibility of the> >> author.> >>> _______________________________________________> wxqc mailing list> Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net> To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to:> http://server.gladstonefamily.net/mailman/listinfo/wxqc> To search the archives:> > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=008314629403309390388%3Aknlfnptih9u> >> >> >>> The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author.> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass. Get your Hotmail?> > account now.> > <http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_anywhere_122008>> >> >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > _______________________________________________ wxqc mailing list> > Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net To unsubcribe or> > change delivery options, please go to:> > http://server.gladstonefamily.net/mailman/listinfo/wxqc To search> > the archives:> > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=008314629403309390388%3Aknlfnptih9u> > The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author.> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----> Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32)> Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org> > iD8DBQFJQDOPIoSvDzn8dfMRAousAKCySsSboMOcG0z1ubAUkGdeExOyIwCePh+F> H3jIvWssnR+SIgL9U61OVVI=> =xEKd> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----> > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 5> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:48:33 -0600> From: Alan Hensley <ke8bp at hotmail.com>> Subject: Re: [wxqc] Analysis Question> To: <wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net>> Message-ID: <BAY121-W3790503C3957A4DE351CE3EBFB0 at phx.gbl>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > > Joe, Mike, Thanks very much for the information. I am going to research these suggestions and I will reply back.> > Alan/KE8BP> From: joe.niederhofer at rhutasel.net> To: wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:19:23 -0600> Subject: Re: [wxqc] Analysis Question> > I am having a similar issue. Fairly new station, everything was pretty much > dead on, until the local airport's info started going "wrong"> > Airport http://weather.gladstonefamily.net/site/KENL> > Mine http://weather.gladstonefamily.net/site/D1376> > I'm hesitant to change anything until their analysis gets closer.> > Davis VP2, VWS, V14, P39 (I think)> > Joe> PS Not sure I am using this email properly. First timer. Please don't > flame.> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Bates" <n7dq at comcast.net>> To: "Discussion of weather data quality issues" > <wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net>> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 1:53 PM> Subject: Re: [wxqc] Analysis Question> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----> Hash: SHA1> > Alan,> > What software are you using? I have found that I had to get the> software setup as well as the Davis Pro console setup correctly first,> once I did that things came into alignment.> > Mike> > Alan Hensley wrote:> > .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { font-size:> > 10pt; font-family:Verdana }> > After calibrating my Davis Vantage Pro 2 to match the analysis, I> > think the analysis is off. I am only 5 miles from Haleyville> > Airport's expensive Metar reporting equipment. But I am getting an> > error from the CWOP analysis for some of my readings. My question> > is, how are these analysis determined? Not only are my readings in> > line with the Metar reporting station, they are also> > within tolerances with most of the nearby reporting stations listed> > at the bottom of the report.> >> > Alan> >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. Get your> > Hotmail? account.> > <http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008>> >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> >> > _______________________________________________> > wxqc mailing list> > Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net> > To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to:> > http://server.gladstonefamily.net/mailman/listinfo/wxqc> > To search the archives:> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=008314629403309390388%3Aknlfnptih9u> >> > The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author.> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----> Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32)> Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org> > iD8DBQFJQB42IoSvDzn8dfMRAucqAJ4+zrzp8Zgjty+SXtk4opRBivjwLQCeIWp8> fqO/SgnH+1yY14ftEXph0g4=> =tZBH> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----> > _______________________________________________> wxqc mailing list> Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net> To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to:> http://server.gladstonefamily.net/mailman/listinfo/wxqc> To search the archives: > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=008314629403309390388%3Aknlfnptih9u> > The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author.> > _______________________________________________> wxqc mailing list> Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net> To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to:> http://server.gladstonefamily.net/mailman/listinfo/wxqc> To search the archives: http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=008314629403309390388%3Aknlfnptih9u> > The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author.> _________________________________________________________________> You live life online. So we put Windows on the web. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032869/direct/01/> -------------- next part --------------> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...> URL: <http://server.gladstonefamily.net/pipermail/wxqc/attachments/20081210/205294df/attachment-0001.html>> > ------------------------------> > Message: 6> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 01:47:51 +0000> From: "Derek McIntyre N4DBM" <derek.mc at att.net>> Subject: [wxqc] Solar heating on cloudy days> To: wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net> Message-ID:> <121120080147.941.4940714500068FD2000003AD22230703729B0A02D29B9B0EBF0C03D2050A9D0A0B at att.net>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> > Just for info. My aspirator fan quit during mid-day on a cloudy, rainy day. Take a look at how the solar heating (even on a rainy day) affected the temp and humidity that quickly.> Derek AS593 N4DBM-2 > > -------------- next part --------------> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...> URL: <http://server.gladstonefamily.net/pipermail/wxqc/attachments/20081211/ee4edd19/attachment-0001.html>> -------------- next part --------------> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...> Name: not available> Type: image/jpeg> Size: 16798 bytes> Desc: not available> URL: <http://server.gladstonefamily.net/pipermail/wxqc/attachments/20081211/ee4edd19/attachment-0002.jpe>> -------------- next part --------------> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...> Name: not available> Type: image/jpeg> Size: 16798 bytes> Desc: not available> URL: <http://server.gladstonefamily.net/pipermail/wxqc/attachments/20081211/ee4edd19/attachment-0003.jpe>> > ------------------------------> > Message: 7> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 01:44:40 +0000> From: "Derek McIntyre N4DBM" <derek.mc at att.net>> Subject: [wxqc] Humidity Jumps Normal?> To: wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net> Message-ID:> <121120080144.19391.4940708500086A7900004BBF22230703729B0A02D29B9B0EBF0C03D2050A9D0A0B at att.net>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> > Hello Group,> I have been fighting with my humidity sensor for a while now. I kept it off line for several days in a room with fourteen - yes, 14 certified hygrometers used in the agricultural field, all reading withing 0.5 % of each other, and calibrated my humidity sensor with these hygrometers (my original humidity calibration was only 1.2% high on average). I thought I had a problem because I kept getting readings at random like in the picture attached. My station (blue) had jumped up and back down very quickly while the average (red) stays fairly smooth. Is this in any way a possible weather phenomenon or does it look like a sensor problem? I have repeatedly tested all cables, voltages on the sensor, everything you can imagine. Take a look at my attached pic - any comments or answers welcome.> > Thanks,> Derek AS593 N4DBM-2> > -------------- next part --------------> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...> URL: <http://server.gladstonefamily.net/pipermail/wxqc/attachments/20081211/e4161d8c/attachment.html>> -------------- next part --------------> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...> Name: not available> Type: image/jpeg> Size: 45395 bytes> Desc: not available> URL: <http://server.gladstonefamily.net/pipermail/wxqc/attachments/20081211/e4161d8c/attachment.jpe>> > ------------------------------> > _______________________________________________> wxqc mailing list> Send messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net> To unsubscribe or change options, please go to:> http://server.gladstonefamily.net/mailman/listinfo/wxqc> > The contents of these messages are the responsibility of the author(s).> > > End of wxqc Digest, Vol 50, Issue 6> ***********************************
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