From pat at sklenar.info  Mon Jun  4 06:55:29 2007
From: pat at sklenar.info (Patrick R. Sklenar)
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 07:55:29 -0400
Subject: [wxqc] Req for suggestions - wasps and rain gauges
In-Reply-To: <046f01c733af$0ba89740$1ec83a40@centralplexus.com>
References: <046f01c733af$0ba89740$1ec83a40@centralplexus.com>
Message-ID: <4663FDB1.7010201@sklenar.info>

Got up this morning to discover I've had no rain in the past 24 hours 
... interesting considering the pop-up t-storms of yesterday afternoon 
and the arrival of the remnants of Tropical Storm Barry over night.  
0.00" rain seemed a tad ... unlikely.  especially considering how wet 
everything is and the fact that I could see rain hitting the surfaces. 
:(  grabbed a stool, went out, got up on the stool, removed the funnel 
... wasps!  argh!!  three small nests.  two up in the outter edges of 
the funnel ... no impact to anything.  but the third one ... was built 
on the base and was actually blocking the tipping bucket. <sigh>

the nests are gone.  the tipping bucket is now working.  but has anyone 
found anything that really does repel the wasps?  anything i could put 
in, under or around the bucket that won't prevent proper functioning?

Thanks,
pat----
N1PRS-9
(AR651)

From miklah at charter.net  Mon Jun  4 07:05:06 2007
From: miklah at charter.net (Mike Y)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 08:05:06 -0400
Subject: [wxqc] Req for suggestions - wasps and rain gauges
References: <046f01c733af$0ba89740$1ec83a40@centralplexus.com>
	<4663FDB1.7010201@sklenar.info>
Message-ID: <004c01c7a6a0$98c8c0a0$0000fea9@MikesT23>

In the past I've used this stuff called 'Wasp Stopper'.  Pretty nasty stuff.
It kills by chemical as well as by thermal means.  (If you're attacked, you
can spin the nozzle to 'mist' and the drop are supposed to freeze the
things instantly if it hits them)  Anyway, it has a very strong residual
action that kills them if they return.  Only problem is the stuff has been
hard to find  in the last few years.

The other stuff I use that seems to have some residual repellant action
has been the Ortho Hornet and Wasp Killer 2.  It also has a 'toxic kill'
for insects that return to a sprayed area.

Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick R. Sklenar" <pat at sklenar.info>
To: "Discussion of weather data quality issues"
<wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net>
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 7:55 AM
Subject: [wxqc] Req for suggestions - wasps and rain gauges


> Got up this morning to discover I've had no rain in the past 24 hours
> ... interesting considering the pop-up t-storms of yesterday afternoon
> and the arrival of the remnants of Tropical Storm Barry over night.
> 0.00" rain seemed a tad ... unlikely.  especially considering how wet
> everything is and the fact that I could see rain hitting the surfaces.
> :(  grabbed a stool, went out, got up on the stool, removed the funnel
> ... wasps!  argh!!  three small nests.  two up in the outter edges of
> the funnel ... no impact to anything.  but the third one ... was built
> on the base and was actually blocking the tipping bucket. <sigh>
>
> the nests are gone.  the tipping bucket is now working.  but has anyone
> found anything that really does repel the wasps?  anything i could put
> in, under or around the bucket that won't prevent proper functioning?
>
> Thanks,
> pat----
> N1PRS-9
> (AR651)
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From steve at softwx.com  Mon Jun  4 07:47:33 2007
From: steve at softwx.com (Steve Hatchett)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 06:47:33 -0600
Subject: [wxqc] Req for suggestions - wasps and rain gauges
In-Reply-To: <4663FDB1.7010201@sklenar.info>
References: <046f01c733af$0ba89740$1ec83a40@centralplexus.com>
	<4663FDB1.7010201@sklenar.info>
Message-ID: <000901c7a6a6$87c3b340$974b19c0$@com>

You have to be careful because some insecticides may react with the parts in
the weather equipments. I have not tried this, but I think it would work if
you put a single moth ball in the gauge tucked in a corner where it would
not get wet.

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick R. Sklenar [mailto:pat at sklenar.info] 
Sent: 06/04/2007 5:55 AM
To: Discussion of weather data quality issues
Subject: [wxqc] Req for suggestions - wasps and rain gauges

Got up this morning to discover I've had no rain in the past 24 hours 
... interesting considering the pop-up t-storms of yesterday afternoon 
and the arrival of the remnants of Tropical Storm Barry over night.  
0.00" rain seemed a tad ... unlikely.  especially considering how wet 
everything is and the fact that I could see rain hitting the surfaces. 
:(  grabbed a stool, went out, got up on the stool, removed the funnel 
... wasps!  argh!!  three small nests.  two up in the outter edges of 
the funnel ... no impact to anything.  but the third one ... was built 
on the base and was actually blocking the tipping bucket. <sigh>

the nests are gone.  the tipping bucket is now working.  but has anyone 
found anything that really does repel the wasps?  anything i could put 
in, under or around the bucket that won't prevent proper functioning?

Thanks,
pat----
N1PRS-9
(AR651)
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From gerry.creager at tamu.edu  Mon Jun  4 09:04:05 2007
From: gerry.creager at tamu.edu (Gerry Creager)
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 09:04:05 -0500
Subject: [wxqc] OT musing (wasRe: Req for suggestions - wasps and rain
	gauges)
In-Reply-To: <000901c7a6a6$87c3b340$974b19c0$@com>
References: <046f01c733af$0ba89740$1ec83a40@centralplexus.com>	<4663FDB1.7010201@sklenar.info>
	<000901c7a6a6$87c3b340$974b19c0$@com>
Message-ID: <46641BD5.7080608@tamu.edu>

I've always wondered if, in a weighing gauge, the mass of wasps and 
nests was considered valid accumulation?  ;-)

Wasps are a hazard around tipping buckets, as many have discovered. 
They're also problemmatical around towers that harbor radio antennas for 
reasons I've not had satisfactorily explained to me.  That said, I 
suspect I should ask our Entomology department.  While I'm at it, I'll 
ask if they have any ideas about this...

gerry

Steve Hatchett wrote:
> You have to be careful because some insecticides may react with the parts in
> the weather equipments. I have not tried this, but I think it would work if
> you put a single moth ball in the gauge tucked in a corner where it would
> not get wet.
> 
> Steve
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Patrick R. Sklenar [mailto:pat at sklenar.info] 
> Sent: 06/04/2007 5:55 AM
> To: Discussion of weather data quality issues
> Subject: [wxqc] Req for suggestions - wasps and rain gauges
> 
> Got up this morning to discover I've had no rain in the past 24 hours 
> ... interesting considering the pop-up t-storms of yesterday afternoon 
> and the arrival of the remnants of Tropical Storm Barry over night.  
> 0.00" rain seemed a tad ... unlikely.  especially considering how wet 
> everything is and the fact that I could see rain hitting the surfaces. 
> :(  grabbed a stool, went out, got up on the stool, removed the funnel 
> ... wasps!  argh!!  three small nests.  two up in the outter edges of 
> the funnel ... no impact to anything.  but the third one ... was built 
> on the base and was actually blocking the tipping bucket. <sigh>
> 
> the nests are gone.  the tipping bucket is now working.  but has anyone 
> found anything that really does repel the wasps?  anything i could put 
> in, under or around the bucket that won't prevent proper functioning?
> 
> Thanks,
> pat----
> N1PRS-9
> (AR651)
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Office: 1700 Research Parkway Ste 160, TAMU, College Station, TX 77843

From brillig at gmail.com  Mon Jun  4 09:14:16 2007
From: brillig at gmail.com (Victor Engel)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 09:14:16 -0500
Subject: [wxqc] OT musing (wasRe: Req for suggestions - wasps and rain
	gauges)
In-Reply-To: <46641BD5.7080608@tamu.edu>
References: <046f01c733af$0ba89740$1ec83a40@centralplexus.com>
	<4663FDB1.7010201@sklenar.info> <000901c7a6a6$87c3b340$974b19c0$@com>
	<46641BD5.7080608@tamu.edu>
Message-ID: <e0e999680706040714h73158371s71d08d27f63ce5a1@mail.gmail.com>

How about installing 1/4 hardware cloth across the bottom?

On 6/4/07, Gerry Creager <gerry.creager at tamu.edu> wrote:
> I've always wondered if, in a weighing gauge, the mass of wasps and
> nests was considered valid accumulation?  ;-)
>
> Wasps are a hazard around tipping buckets, as many have discovered.
> They're also problemmatical around towers that harbor radio antennas for
> reasons I've not had satisfactorily explained to me.  That said, I
> suspect I should ask our Entomology department.  While I'm at it, I'll
> ask if they have any ideas about this...
>
> gerry
>
> Steve Hatchett wrote:
> > You have to be careful because some insecticides may react with the parts in
> > the weather equipments. I have not tried this, but I think it would work if
> > you put a single moth ball in the gauge tucked in a corner where it would
> > not get wet.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Patrick R. Sklenar [mailto:pat at sklenar.info]
> > Sent: 06/04/2007 5:55 AM
> > To: Discussion of weather data quality issues
> > Subject: [wxqc] Req for suggestions - wasps and rain gauges
> >
> > Got up this morning to discover I've had no rain in the past 24 hours
> > ... interesting considering the pop-up t-storms of yesterday afternoon
> > and the arrival of the remnants of Tropical Storm Barry over night.
> > 0.00" rain seemed a tad ... unlikely.  especially considering how wet
> > everything is and the fact that I could see rain hitting the surfaces.
> > :(  grabbed a stool, went out, got up on the stool, removed the funnel
> > ... wasps!  argh!!  three small nests.  two up in the outter edges of
> > the funnel ... no impact to anything.  but the third one ... was built
> > on the base and was actually blocking the tipping bucket. <sigh>
> >
> > the nests are gone.  the tipping bucket is now working.  but has anyone
> > found anything that really does repel the wasps?  anything i could put
> > in, under or around the bucket that won't prevent proper functioning?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > pat----
> > N1PRS-9
> > (AR651)
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From mark at markwyman.com  Mon Jun  4 09:37:48 2007
From: mark at markwyman.com (Mark Wyman)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 10:37:48 -0400
Subject: [wxqc] Req for suggestions - wasps and rain gauges
In-Reply-To: <4663FDB1.7010201@sklenar.info>
References: <046f01c733af$0ba89740$1ec83a40@centralplexus.com>
	<4663FDB1.7010201@sklenar.info>
Message-ID: <04a501c7a6b5$ec5abf10$0e3c0b0a@mvanattadt739>

I glued fine screen around all openings in the bottom using RTV. Lets the
water out, but keeps the bugs out. Last year I went to check for a plug,
opened the thing, and there was probably a good 60 wasps all crammed inside
of it with no nest (Davis rain bucket). They must have gotten chased out of
their original location by a predator and took up residence. Needless to say
it is a good reason to not have your rain gauge up too high so when you need
to sprint, you don't have to dive from a ladder first! 

I am hoping my screen will work this year, but I have yet to see. So far so
good. The other problem I had was spiders making little hiding webs that
stuck the tipping bucket into position.

-LS


-----Original Message-----
From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net
[mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net] On Behalf Of Patrick R.
Sklenar
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 7:55 AM
To: Discussion of weather data quality issues
Subject: [wxqc] Req for suggestions - wasps and rain gauges

Got up this morning to discover I've had no rain in the past 24 hours 
... interesting considering the pop-up t-storms of yesterday afternoon 
and the arrival of the remnants of Tropical Storm Barry over night.  
0.00" rain seemed a tad ... unlikely.  especially considering how wet 
everything is and the fact that I could see rain hitting the surfaces. 
:(  grabbed a stool, went out, got up on the stool, removed the funnel 
... wasps!  argh!!  three small nests.  two up in the outter edges of 
the funnel ... no impact to anything.  but the third one ... was built 
on the base and was actually blocking the tipping bucket. <sigh>

the nests are gone.  the tipping bucket is now working.  but has anyone 
found anything that really does repel the wasps?  anything i could put 
in, under or around the bucket that won't prevent proper functioning?

Thanks,
pat----
N1PRS-9
(AR651)
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From kn4lf at earthlink.net  Mon Jun  4 09:46:58 2007
From: kn4lf at earthlink.net (Thomas Giella KN4LF)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 10:46:58 -0400
Subject: [wxqc] Re Wasp Nests
Message-ID: <000c01c7a6b7$340b4bd0$6701a8c0@thomas>

I had the problem with wasps in the rain gauge of my VP2 and added one moth 
ball as suggested by Steve and that did the trick. However I'm still trying 
to fend off the local bird population that uses the rain gauge funnel as a 
community bathroom. I have to clean the funnel every day!

Take Care,
Thomas Giella, KN4LF
Retired Meteorologist
Lakeland, FL, USA
kn4lf at earthlink.net

Lakeland, Florida Daily Climatological Weather Data Archive: 
http://www.kn4lf.com/kn4lf22.htm
Lakeland, Florida Real Time Weather Observations: 
http://www.kn4lf.com/index1.html
Harmful Man Induced Climate Change (Global Warming) Refuted: 
http://www.kn4lf.com/globalwarminglie.htm
FL & US Raw Weather Forecasting Resource Links: 
http://www.kn4lf.com/kn4lf13.htm
New Scientific Evidence for the Existence of God: 
http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/audio/newevidence.htm

From: "Steve Hatchett" <steve at softwx.com>
Subject: Re: [wxqc] Req for suggestions - wasps and rain gauges
To: <pat at sklenar.info>, "'Discussion of weather data quality issues'"
<wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net>
Message-ID: <000901c7a6a6$87c3b340$974b19c0$@com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

You have to be careful because some insecticides may react with the parts in
the weather equipments. I have not tried this, but I think it would work if
you put a single moth ball in the gauge tucked in a corner where it would
not get wet.

Steve



From dmcintyre at att.net  Mon Jun  4 09:52:52 2007
From: dmcintyre at att.net (Dexter McIntyre)
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 10:52:52 -0400
Subject: [wxqc] Req for suggestions - wasps and rain gauges
In-Reply-To: <000901c7a6a6$87c3b340$974b19c0$@com>
References: <046f01c733af$0ba89740$1ec83a40@centralplexus.com>	<4663FDB1.7010201@sklenar.info>
	<000901c7a6a6$87c3b340$974b19c0$@com>
Message-ID: <46642744.1020806@att.net>

I recently evicted a group of wasp from an outside camera enclosure.  Seems they 
can't stand the smell of WD40!  I'm not sure how long it will take about half an 
ounce of WD40 in a small spray paint can cap to evaporate but for the last two 
weeks I regularly see the wasp visit their old home and immediately move on.

Dex

> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Patrick R. Sklenar [mailto:pat at sklenar.info] 
> Sent: 06/04/2007 5:55 AM
> To: Discussion of weather data quality issues
> Subject: [wxqc] Req for suggestions - wasps and rain gauges
> 
> Got up this morning to discover I've had no rain in the past 24 hours 
> ... interesting considering the pop-up t-storms of yesterday afternoon 
> and the arrival of the remnants of Tropical Storm Barry over night.  
> 0.00" rain seemed a tad ... unlikely.  especially considering how wet 
> everything is and the fact that I could see rain hitting the surfaces. 
> :(  grabbed a stool, went out, got up on the stool, removed the funnel 
> ... wasps!  argh!!  three small nests.  two up in the outter edges of 
> the funnel ... no impact to anything.  but the third one ... was built 
> on the base and was actually blocking the tipping bucket. <sigh>
> 
> the nests are gone.  the tipping bucket is now working.  but has anyone 
> found anything that really does repel the wasps?  anything i could put 
> in, under or around the bucket that won't prevent proper functioning?
> 
> Thanks,
> pat----
> N1PRS-9
> (AR651)


From brillig at gmail.com  Mon Jun  4 09:59:04 2007
From: brillig at gmail.com (Victor Engel)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 09:59:04 -0500
Subject: [wxqc] Re Wasp Nests
In-Reply-To: <000c01c7a6b7$340b4bd0$6701a8c0@thomas>
References: <000c01c7a6b7$340b4bd0$6701a8c0@thomas>
Message-ID: <e0e999680706040759r2285b758w832a80a5261b7028@mail.gmail.com>

I can relate.
http://www.weatherunderground.com/wximage/myphotos.html?number=50&handle=Brillig

On 6/4/07, Thomas Giella KN4LF <kn4lf at earthlink.net> wrote:
> I had the problem with wasps in the rain gauge of my VP2 and added one moth
> ball as suggested by Steve and that did the trick. However I'm still trying
> to fend off the local bird population that uses the rain gauge funnel as a
> community bathroom. I have to clean the funnel every day!
>
> Take Care,
> Thomas Giella, KN4LF
> Retired Meteorologist
> Lakeland, FL, USA
> kn4lf at earthlink.net
>
> Lakeland, Florida Daily Climatological Weather Data Archive:
> http://www.kn4lf.com/kn4lf22.htm
> Lakeland, Florida Real Time Weather Observations:
> http://www.kn4lf.com/index1.html
> Harmful Man Induced Climate Change (Global Warming) Refuted:
> http://www.kn4lf.com/globalwarminglie.htm
> FL & US Raw Weather Forecasting Resource Links:
> http://www.kn4lf.com/kn4lf13.htm
> New Scientific Evidence for the Existence of God:
> http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/audio/newevidence.htm
>
> From: "Steve Hatchett" <steve at softwx.com>
> Subject: Re: [wxqc] Req for suggestions - wasps and rain gauges
> To: <pat at sklenar.info>, "'Discussion of weather data quality issues'"
> <wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net>
> Message-ID: <000901c7a6a6$87c3b340$974b19c0$@com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> You have to be careful because some insecticides may react with the parts in
> the weather equipments. I have not tried this, but I think it would work if
> you put a single moth ball in the gauge tucked in a corner where it would
> not get wet.
>
> Steve
>
>
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From joh69 at earthlink.net  Mon Jun  4 10:02:48 2007
From: joh69 at earthlink.net (Hanford R Wright)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 11:02:48 -0400
Subject: [wxqc] Re Wasp Nests
In-Reply-To: <000c01c7a6b7$340b4bd0$6701a8c0@thomas>
Message-ID: <LFEJIEFODNELDHBLFHHPCEDKEBAA.joh69@earthlink.net>

Thomas
What I did to keep birds from using my rain gage as a crapper I took a old
web belt and threaded nails about 1 inch a part then riveted it together so
that it would fit snuggly on the rain gage.

73's
Hanford Wright WA4LZC


-----Original Message-----
From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net
[mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net]On Behalf Of Thomas
Giella KN4LF
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 10:47
To: a WXQC e-List
Subject: [wxqc] Re Wasp Nests


I had the problem with wasps in the rain gauge of my VP2 and added one moth
ball as suggested by Steve and that did the trick. However I'm still trying
to fend off the local bird population that uses the rain gauge funnel as a
community bathroom. I have to clean the funnel every day!

Take Care,
Thomas Giella, KN4LF
Retired Meteorologist
Lakeland, FL, USA
kn4lf at earthlink.net

Lakeland, Florida Daily Climatological Weather Data Archive:
http://www.kn4lf.com/kn4lf22.htm
Lakeland, Florida Real Time Weather Observations:
http://www.kn4lf.com/index1.html
Harmful Man Induced Climate Change (Global Warming) Refuted:
http://www.kn4lf.com/globalwarminglie.htm
FL & US Raw Weather Forecasting Resource Links:
http://www.kn4lf.com/kn4lf13.htm
New Scientific Evidence for the Existence of God:
http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/audio/newevidence.htm

From: "Steve Hatchett" <steve at softwx.com>
Subject: Re: [wxqc] Req for suggestions - wasps and rain gauges
To: <pat at sklenar.info>, "'Discussion of weather data quality issues'"
<wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net>
Message-ID: <000901c7a6a6$87c3b340$974b19c0$@com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

You have to be careful because some insecticides may react with the parts in
the weather equipments. I have not tried this, but I think it would work if
you put a single moth ball in the gauge tucked in a corner where it would
not get wet.

Steve


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From brillig at gmail.com  Mon Jun  4 10:44:55 2007
From: brillig at gmail.com (Victor Engel)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 10:44:55 -0500
Subject: [wxqc] Re Wasp Nests
In-Reply-To: <LFEJIEFODNELDHBLFHHPCEDKEBAA.joh69@earthlink.net>
References: <000c01c7a6b7$340b4bd0$6701a8c0@thomas>
	<LFEJIEFODNELDHBLFHHPCEDKEBAA.joh69@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <e0e999680706040844g643889fardaddecc01ee88a0a@mail.gmail.com>

What is a web belt? I'm having trouble picturing your rig.

On 6/4/07, Hanford R Wright <joh69 at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Thomas
> What I did to keep birds from using my rain gage as a crapper I took a old
> web belt and threaded nails about 1 inch a part then riveted it together so
> that it would fit snuggly on the rain gage.
>
> 73's
> Hanford Wright WA4LZC
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net
> [mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net]On Behalf Of Thomas
> Giella KN4LF
> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 10:47
> To: a WXQC e-List
> Subject: [wxqc] Re Wasp Nests
>
>
> I had the problem with wasps in the rain gauge of my VP2 and added one moth
> ball as suggested by Steve and that did the trick. However I'm still trying
> to fend off the local bird population that uses the rain gauge funnel as a
> community bathroom. I have to clean the funnel every day!
>
> Take Care,
> Thomas Giella, KN4LF
> Retired Meteorologist
> Lakeland, FL, USA
> kn4lf at earthlink.net
>
> Lakeland, Florida Daily Climatological Weather Data Archive:
> http://www.kn4lf.com/kn4lf22.htm
> Lakeland, Florida Real Time Weather Observations:
> http://www.kn4lf.com/index1.html
> Harmful Man Induced Climate Change (Global Warming) Refuted:
> http://www.kn4lf.com/globalwarminglie.htm
> FL & US Raw Weather Forecasting Resource Links:
> http://www.kn4lf.com/kn4lf13.htm
> New Scientific Evidence for the Existence of God:
> http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/audio/newevidence.htm
>
> From: "Steve Hatchett" <steve at softwx.com>
> Subject: Re: [wxqc] Req for suggestions - wasps and rain gauges
> To: <pat at sklenar.info>, "'Discussion of weather data quality issues'"
> <wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net>
> Message-ID: <000901c7a6a6$87c3b340$974b19c0$@com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> You have to be careful because some insecticides may react with the parts in
> the weather equipments. I have not tried this, but I think it would work if
> you put a single moth ball in the gauge tucked in a corner where it would
> not get wet.
>
> Steve
>
>
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From joh69 at earthlink.net  Mon Jun  4 10:52:03 2007
From: joh69 at earthlink.net (Hanford R Wright)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 11:52:03 -0400
Subject: [wxqc] Re Wasp Nests
In-Reply-To: <e0e999680706040844g643889fardaddecc01ee88a0a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <LFEJIEFODNELDHBLFHHPAEDLEBAA.joh69@earthlink.net>

It is a belt that is part of the combat soldiers equipment you can hook your
canteen first aid kit etc to this belt.  Any cloth belt would work.

-----Original Message-----
From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net
[mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net]On Behalf Of Victor Engel
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 11:45
To: Discussion of weather data quality issues
Subject: Re: [wxqc] Re Wasp Nests


What is a web belt? I'm having trouble picturing your rig.

On 6/4/07, Hanford R Wright <joh69 at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Thomas
> What I did to keep birds from using my rain gage as a crapper I took a old
> web belt and threaded nails about 1 inch a part then riveted it together
so
> that it would fit snuggly on the rain gage.
>
> 73's
> Hanford Wright WA4LZC
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net
> [mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net]On Behalf Of Thomas
> Giella KN4LF
> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 10:47
> To: a WXQC e-List
> Subject: [wxqc] Re Wasp Nests
>
>
> I had the problem with wasps in the rain gauge of my VP2 and added one
moth
> ball as suggested by Steve and that did the trick. However I'm still
trying
> to fend off the local bird population that uses the rain gauge funnel as a
> community bathroom. I have to clean the funnel every day!
>
> Take Care,
> Thomas Giella, KN4LF
> Retired Meteorologist
> Lakeland, FL, USA
> kn4lf at earthlink.net
>
> Lakeland, Florida Daily Climatological Weather Data Archive:
> http://www.kn4lf.com/kn4lf22.htm
> Lakeland, Florida Real Time Weather Observations:
> http://www.kn4lf.com/index1.html
> Harmful Man Induced Climate Change (Global Warming) Refuted:
> http://www.kn4lf.com/globalwarminglie.htm
> FL & US Raw Weather Forecasting Resource Links:
> http://www.kn4lf.com/kn4lf13.htm
> New Scientific Evidence for the Existence of God:
> http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/audio/newevidence.htm
>
> From: "Steve Hatchett" <steve at softwx.com>
> Subject: Re: [wxqc] Req for suggestions - wasps and rain gauges
> To: <pat at sklenar.info>, "'Discussion of weather data quality issues'"
> <wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net>
> Message-ID: <000901c7a6a6$87c3b340$974b19c0$@com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> You have to be careful because some insecticides may react with the parts
in
> the weather equipments. I have not tried this, but I think it would work
if
> you put a single moth ball in the gauge tucked in a corner where it would
> not get wet.
>
> Steve
>
>
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From brillig at gmail.com  Mon Jun  4 11:00:09 2007
From: brillig at gmail.com (Victor Engel)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 11:00:09 -0500
Subject: [wxqc] Re Wasp Nests
In-Reply-To: <LFEJIEFODNELDHBLFHHPAEDLEBAA.joh69@earthlink.net>
References: <e0e999680706040844g643889fardaddecc01ee88a0a@mail.gmail.com>
	<LFEJIEFODNELDHBLFHHPAEDLEBAA.joh69@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <e0e999680706040900n72487084s52a5c20e8aca6635@mail.gmail.com>

OK. I've used one but didn't know what it was called. How do you
manage to keep it from extending past the rim of the collector? Seems
that would skew the measurement from splashing from the belt.

On 6/4/07, Hanford R Wright <joh69 at earthlink.net> wrote:
> It is a belt that is part of the combat soldiers equipment you can hook your
> canteen first aid kit etc to this belt.  Any cloth belt would work.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net
> [mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net]On Behalf Of Victor Engel
> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 11:45
> To: Discussion of weather data quality issues
> Subject: Re: [wxqc] Re Wasp Nests
>
>
> What is a web belt? I'm having trouble picturing your rig.
>
> On 6/4/07, Hanford R Wright <joh69 at earthlink.net> wrote:
> > Thomas
> > What I did to keep birds from using my rain gage as a crapper I took a old
> > web belt and threaded nails about 1 inch a part then riveted it together
> so
> > that it would fit snuggly on the rain gage.
> >
> > 73's
> > Hanford Wright WA4LZC
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net
> > [mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net]On Behalf Of Thomas
> > Giella KN4LF
> > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 10:47
> > To: a WXQC e-List
> > Subject: [wxqc] Re Wasp Nests
> >
> >
> > I had the problem with wasps in the rain gauge of my VP2 and added one
> moth
> > ball as suggested by Steve and that did the trick. However I'm still
> trying
> > to fend off the local bird population that uses the rain gauge funnel as a
> > community bathroom. I have to clean the funnel every day!
> >
> > Take Care,
> > Thomas Giella, KN4LF
> > Retired Meteorologist
> > Lakeland, FL, USA
> > kn4lf at earthlink.net
> >
> > Lakeland, Florida Daily Climatological Weather Data Archive:
> > http://www.kn4lf.com/kn4lf22.htm
> > Lakeland, Florida Real Time Weather Observations:
> > http://www.kn4lf.com/index1.html
> > Harmful Man Induced Climate Change (Global Warming) Refuted:
> > http://www.kn4lf.com/globalwarminglie.htm
> > FL & US Raw Weather Forecasting Resource Links:
> > http://www.kn4lf.com/kn4lf13.htm
> > New Scientific Evidence for the Existence of God:
> > http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/audio/newevidence.htm
> >
> > From: "Steve Hatchett" <steve at softwx.com>
> > Subject: Re: [wxqc] Req for suggestions - wasps and rain gauges
> > To: <pat at sklenar.info>, "'Discussion of weather data quality issues'"
> > <wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net>
> > Message-ID: <000901c7a6a6$87c3b340$974b19c0$@com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > You have to be careful because some insecticides may react with the parts
> in
> > the weather equipments. I have not tried this, but I think it would work
> if
> > you put a single moth ball in the gauge tucked in a corner where it would
> > not get wet.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
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From joh69 at earthlink.net  Mon Jun  4 11:32:00 2007
From: joh69 at earthlink.net (Hanford R Wright)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 12:32:00 -0400
Subject: [wxqc] Re Wasp Nests
In-Reply-To: <e0e999680706040900n72487084s52a5c20e8aca6635@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <LFEJIEFODNELDHBLFHHPMEDLEBAA.joh69@earthlink.net>

Not if the belt is mounted on the outside of the cylinder.  You can use
other materials to make the bird repellor. The rain gage that I made my
first one for was a standard NWS rain gage at a weather station I used to
work at.  The rain gage that I have now is a Peet Bros Pro which is smaller
and shaped different.

-----Original Message-----
From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net
[mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net]On Behalf Of Victor Engel
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 12:00
To: Discussion of weather data quality issues
Subject: Re: [wxqc] Re Wasp Nests


OK. I've used one but didn't know what it was called. How do you
manage to keep it from extending past the rim of the collector? Seems
that would skew the measurement from splashing from the belt.

On 6/4/07, Hanford R Wright <joh69 at earthlink.net> wrote:
> It is a belt that is part of the combat soldiers equipment you can hook
your
> canteen first aid kit etc to this belt.  Any cloth belt would work.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net
> [mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net]On Behalf Of Victor Engel
> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 11:45
> To: Discussion of weather data quality issues
> Subject: Re: [wxqc] Re Wasp Nests
>
>
> What is a web belt? I'm having trouble picturing your rig.
>
> On 6/4/07, Hanford R Wright <joh69 at earthlink.net> wrote:
> > Thomas
> > What I did to keep birds from using my rain gage as a crapper I took a
old
> > web belt and threaded nails about 1 inch a part then riveted it together
> so
> > that it would fit snuggly on the rain gage.
> >
> > 73's
> > Hanford Wright WA4LZC
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net
> > [mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net]On Behalf Of Thomas
> > Giella KN4LF
> > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 10:47
> > To: a WXQC e-List
> > Subject: [wxqc] Re Wasp Nests
> >
> >
> > I had the problem with wasps in the rain gauge of my VP2 and added one
> moth
> > ball as suggested by Steve and that did the trick. However I'm still
> trying
> > to fend off the local bird population that uses the rain gauge funnel as
a
> > community bathroom. I have to clean the funnel every day!
> >
> > Take Care,
> > Thomas Giella, KN4LF
> > Retired Meteorologist
> > Lakeland, FL, USA
> > kn4lf at earthlink.net
> >
> > Lakeland, Florida Daily Climatological Weather Data Archive:
> > http://www.kn4lf.com/kn4lf22.htm
> > Lakeland, Florida Real Time Weather Observations:
> > http://www.kn4lf.com/index1.html
> > Harmful Man Induced Climate Change (Global Warming) Refuted:
> > http://www.kn4lf.com/globalwarminglie.htm
> > FL & US Raw Weather Forecasting Resource Links:
> > http://www.kn4lf.com/kn4lf13.htm
> > New Scientific Evidence for the Existence of God:
> > http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/audio/newevidence.htm
> >
> > From: "Steve Hatchett" <steve at softwx.com>
> > Subject: Re: [wxqc] Req for suggestions - wasps and rain gauges
> > To: <pat at sklenar.info>, "'Discussion of weather data quality issues'"
> > <wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net>
> > Message-ID: <000901c7a6a6$87c3b340$974b19c0$@com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > You have to be careful because some insecticides may react with the
parts
> in
> > the weather equipments. I have not tried this, but I think it would work
> if
> > you put a single moth ball in the gauge tucked in a corner where it
would
> > not get wet.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
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From brillig at gmail.com  Mon Jun  4 12:13:54 2007
From: brillig at gmail.com (Victor Engel)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 12:13:54 -0500
Subject: [wxqc] Re Wasp Nests
In-Reply-To: <LFEJIEFODNELDHBLFHHPMEDLEBAA.joh69@earthlink.net>
References: <e0e999680706040900n72487084s52a5c20e8aca6635@mail.gmail.com>
	<LFEJIEFODNELDHBLFHHPMEDLEBAA.joh69@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <e0e999680706041013w3d6745adud524578cb58f4a99@mail.gmail.com>

Maybe I'm not visualizing it properly. My visualization has a
sandwitch, belt, wire, cyllinder. Rain that normally would fall to the
ground outside of the cyllinder, would instead hit the belt and splash
in. I expect there to be some error from the wires, too, but that may
not be significant.

Do you have a picture of the rig?

On 6/4/07, Hanford R Wright <joh69 at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Not if the belt is mounted on the outside of the cylinder.  You can use
> other materials to make the bird repellor. The rain gage that I made my
> first one for was a standard NWS rain gage at a weather station I used to
> work at.  The rain gage that I have now is a Peet Bros Pro which is smaller
> and shaped different.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net
> [mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net]On Behalf Of Victor Engel
> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 12:00
> To: Discussion of weather data quality issues
> Subject: Re: [wxqc] Re Wasp Nests
>
>
> OK. I've used one but didn't know what it was called. How do you
> manage to keep it from extending past the rim of the collector? Seems
> that would skew the measurement from splashing from the belt.
>
> On 6/4/07, Hanford R Wright <joh69 at earthlink.net> wrote:
> > It is a belt that is part of the combat soldiers equipment you can hook
> your
> > canteen first aid kit etc to this belt.  Any cloth belt would work.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net
> > [mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net]On Behalf Of Victor Engel
> > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 11:45
> > To: Discussion of weather data quality issues
> > Subject: Re: [wxqc] Re Wasp Nests
> >
> >
> > What is a web belt? I'm having trouble picturing your rig.
> >
> > On 6/4/07, Hanford R Wright <joh69 at earthlink.net> wrote:
> > > Thomas
> > > What I did to keep birds from using my rain gage as a crapper I took a
> old
> > > web belt and threaded nails about 1 inch a part then riveted it together
> > so
> > > that it would fit snuggly on the rain gage.
> > >
> > > 73's
> > > Hanford Wright WA4LZC
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net
> > > [mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net]On Behalf Of Thomas
> > > Giella KN4LF
> > > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 10:47
> > > To: a WXQC e-List
> > > Subject: [wxqc] Re Wasp Nests
> > >
> > >
> > > I had the problem with wasps in the rain gauge of my VP2 and added one
> > moth
> > > ball as suggested by Steve and that did the trick. However I'm still
> > trying
> > > to fend off the local bird population that uses the rain gauge funnel as
> a
> > > community bathroom. I have to clean the funnel every day!
> > >
> > > Take Care,
> > > Thomas Giella, KN4LF
> > > Retired Meteorologist
> > > Lakeland, FL, USA
> > > kn4lf at earthlink.net
> > >
> > > Lakeland, Florida Daily Climatological Weather Data Archive:
> > > http://www.kn4lf.com/kn4lf22.htm
> > > Lakeland, Florida Real Time Weather Observations:
> > > http://www.kn4lf.com/index1.html
> > > Harmful Man Induced Climate Change (Global Warming) Refuted:
> > > http://www.kn4lf.com/globalwarminglie.htm
> > > FL & US Raw Weather Forecasting Resource Links:
> > > http://www.kn4lf.com/kn4lf13.htm
> > > New Scientific Evidence for the Existence of God:
> > > http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/audio/newevidence.htm
> > >
> > > From: "Steve Hatchett" <steve at softwx.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [wxqc] Req for suggestions - wasps and rain gauges
> > > To: <pat at sklenar.info>, "'Discussion of weather data quality issues'"
> > > <wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net>
> > > Message-ID: <000901c7a6a6$87c3b340$974b19c0$@com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> > >
> > > You have to be careful because some insecticides may react with the
> parts
> > in
> > > the weather equipments. I have not tried this, but I think it would work
> > if
> > > you put a single moth ball in the gauge tucked in a corner where it
> would
> > > not get wet.
> > >
> > > Steve
> > >
> > >
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From jimwc at frontiernet.net  Mon Jun  4 12:31:53 2007
From: jimwc at frontiernet.net (Jim)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 10:31:53 -0700
Subject: [wxqc] Re Wasp Nests
In-Reply-To: <LFEJIEFODNELDHBLFHHPCEDKEBAA.joh69@earthlink.net>
References: <000c01c7a6b7$340b4bd0$6701a8c0@thomas>
	<LFEJIEFODNELDHBLFHHPCEDKEBAA.joh69@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <000601c7a6ce$3f08e5d0$bd1ab170$@net>

Thomas
I had the same idea but just couldn't come up with a way to attach it to the
rain gauge. I was going to use lengths of wire coat hanger for the spikes.
Thanks for the web belt idea sounds good.
Jim
CW4367


-----Original Message-----
From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net
[mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net] On Behalf Of Hanford R
Wright
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 8:03 AM
To: Discussion of weather data quality issues
Subject: Re: [wxqc] Re Wasp Nests

Thomas
What I did to keep birds from using my rain gage as a crapper I took a old
web belt and threaded nails about 1 inch a part then riveted it together so
that it would fit snuggly on the rain gage.

73's
Hanford Wright WA4LZC


-----Original Message-----
From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net
[mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net]On Behalf Of Thomas
Giella KN4LF
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 10:47
To: a WXQC e-List
Subject: [wxqc] Re Wasp Nests


I had the problem with wasps in the rain gauge of my VP2 and added one moth
ball as suggested by Steve and that did the trick. However I'm still trying
to fend off the local bird population that uses the rain gauge funnel as a
community bathroom. I have to clean the funnel every day!

Take Care,
Thomas Giella, KN4LF
Retired Meteorologist
Lakeland, FL, USA
kn4lf at earthlink.net

Lakeland, Florida Daily Climatological Weather Data Archive:
http://www.kn4lf.com/kn4lf22.htm
Lakeland, Florida Real Time Weather Observations:
http://www.kn4lf.com/index1.html
Harmful Man Induced Climate Change (Global Warming) Refuted:
http://www.kn4lf.com/globalwarminglie.htm
FL & US Raw Weather Forecasting Resource Links:
http://www.kn4lf.com/kn4lf13.htm
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http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/audio/newevidence.htm

From: "Steve Hatchett" <steve at softwx.com>
Subject: Re: [wxqc] Req for suggestions - wasps and rain gauges
To: <pat at sklenar.info>, "'Discussion of weather data quality issues'"
<wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net>
Message-ID: <000901c7a6a6$87c3b340$974b19c0$@com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

You have to be careful because some insecticides may react with the parts in
the weather equipments. I have not tried this, but I think it would work if
you put a single moth ball in the gauge tucked in a corner where it would
not get wet.

Steve


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From pat at sklenar.info  Mon Jun  4 17:37:10 2007
From: pat at sklenar.info (Patrick R. Sklenar)
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 18:37:10 -0400
Subject: [wxqc] Req for suggestions - wasps and rain gauges
In-Reply-To: <4663FDB1.7010201@sklenar.info>
References: <046f01c733af$0ba89740$1ec83a40@centralplexus.com>
	<4663FDB1.7010201@sklenar.info>
Message-ID: <46649416.4080607@sklenar.info>

Thank you all for the replies,  I think I've got some mothballs in the 
basement, will check and if so, place one in the base of the rain gage 
asap while looking at other options.  I have a sink drain screen down in 
the neck of the funnel, so i feel it's unlikely the wasps were getting 
from the top.  no, i think it's from the bottom, so i'l going to look it 
over and when i have some time one of these weekends, I'll see if 
there's something i can do to layer some screen material or something 
across the bottom to keep them from coming in thru the openings in the 
bottom.

pat----
N1PRS-9
(AR651)



From k0fj at st-tel.net  Wed Jun  6 17:29:40 2007
From: k0fj at st-tel.net (Michael Albers)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 17:29:40 -0500
Subject: [wxqc] Weather Underground and APRS Wind Speed Error
Message-ID: <008701c7a88a$2cc09400$6e00000a@k0fj>

I have my Davis Vantage Pro II sending data to Weather Underground and APRS
as well as my own web site www.k0fj.com <http://www.k0fj.com/>  .  The high
wind gust is correct on my WeaterLink 5.7 console and my web page at 56 MPH.
APRS and Weather Underground show 51 and 50 respectively.  Are these units
in knots as apposed to MPH, or is something else the problem on my end?

 

Thanks for any assistance with this. 

 

Michael Albers K0FJ

 

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From steve at softwx.com  Wed Jun  6 17:45:05 2007
From: steve at softwx.com (Steve Hatchett)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 16:45:05 -0600
Subject: [wxqc] Weather Underground and APRS Wind Speed Error
In-Reply-To: <008701c7a88a$2cc09400$6e00000a@k0fj>
References: <008701c7a88a$2cc09400$6e00000a@k0fj>
Message-ID: <000d01c7a88c$55e0c470$01a24d50$@com>

Since "gust" is defined as the highest wind speed during the past 10 minutes
for APRS/CWOP (and maybe for Wunderground too), if you are submitting to
APRS and Wunderground at 15 minute (or more) intervals, then there is a 5
minute period every 15 minutes during which a high wind gust will not be
seen by APRS and Wunderground. This is normal. You could bump reporting
interval to 5 minutes. This would not help for MADIS displayed
representations of your APRS/CWOP data though, because MADIS only ingests
data at 15 minute intervals. I think they are working on changing that to 5
minutes.

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Albers [mailto:k0fj at st-tel.net] 
Sent: 06/06/2007 4:30 PM
To: wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net
Subject: [wxqc] Weather Underground and APRS Wind Speed Error

I have my Davis Vantage Pro II sending data to Weather Underground and APRS
as well as my own web site www.k0fj.com <http://www.k0fj.com/>  .  The high
wind gust is correct on my WeaterLink 5.7 console and my web page at 56 MPH.
APRS and Weather Underground show 51 and 50 respectively.  Are these units
in knots as apposed to MPH, or is something else the problem on my end?

 

Thanks for any assistance with this. 

 

Michael Albers K0FJ

 



From VCummings5 at astound.net  Thu Jun  7 21:09:38 2007
From: VCummings5 at astound.net (Vern Cummings)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 19:09:38 -0700
Subject: [wxqc] Weather Underground and APRS Wind Speed Error
In-Reply-To: <008701c7a88a$2cc09400$6e00000a@k0fj>
References: <008701c7a88a$2cc09400$6e00000a@k0fj>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAP1AJHqkDXBJhcy9jLNpywbCgAAAEAAAAGYbyuGJMXRNqgkzv+fKWTwBAAAAAA==@astound.net>

Michael

I see that you are sending data to weather underground and APRS.  I tried to
set my Davis Pro 2 to do the same thing  but could not get it to work.  I
was following weather underground instruction's  and it did not work.  Do
you have any suggestions?  I hope you can give me better detailed info on
this.

 

Thanks

Vern

 

Vern Cummings, SR/WA
Real Estate Consultant
5348 Meadow Wood Place
Concord, CA 94521
Phone (925) 676-9883
Fax (925) 682-0608

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From annmarie at beamsvillewx.ca  Thu Jun  7 21:58:49 2007
From: annmarie at beamsvillewx.ca (annmarie at beamsvillewx.ca)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 22:58:49 -0400
Subject: [wxqc] temp errors
Message-ID: <000601c7a978$f2854b60$6400a8c0@KEENANF79D9D01>

Hi all:  Since spring started, I have seen many errors in my temp observations. I just replaced my SIM board on my Davis Vantage Pro2 about a month-and-a-half ago. I think it may be due to the fact that I reside in a micro-climate of sorts, between Lake Ontario and the Niagara Escarpment, but I was wondering if I need a fan aspirated radiation shield?

Regards,
Ann-Marie Keenan
Beamsville Weather Station
www.beamsvillewx.ca
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From kdmiller at oldsgmail.com  Thu Jun  7 22:10:07 2007
From: kdmiller at oldsgmail.com (Keith Miller)
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 23:10:07 -0400
Subject: [wxqc] temp errors
In-Reply-To: <000601c7a978$f2854b60$6400a8c0@KEENANF79D9D01>
Message-ID: <64D6A839C33445EF83FB605BA4F0A4FC@sauron>

>-----Original Message-----
>From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net
[mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net]On Behalf Of
annmarie at beamsvillewx.ca
>Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 10:59 PM
>To: wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net
>Subject: [wxqc] temp errors
>
>
> Hi all:  Since spring started, I have seen many errors in
> my temp observations. I just replaced my SIM board on my
> Davis Vantage Pro2 about a month-and-a-half ago. I think
> it may be due to the fact that I reside in a micro-climate
> of sorts, between Lake Ontario and the Niagara Escarpment,
> but I was wondering if I need a fan aspirated radiation
> shield?
>

If you're seeing higher temps then expected in the afternoon,
especially on sunny days, then a fan aspirated radiation
shield will probably help.


Keith
--
CW5250 => http://weather.stadhaugh.com



From dshelms at comcast.net  Thu Jun  7 23:10:23 2007
From: dshelms at comcast.net (Dave Helms)
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 00:10:23 -0400
Subject: [wxqc] temp errors (CW2265)
In-Reply-To: <000601c7a978$f2854b60$6400a8c0@KEENANF79D9D01>
References: <000601c7a978$f2854b60$6400a8c0@KEENANF79D9D01>
Message-ID: <4668D6AF.4040202@comcast.net>

Hi Ann-Marie,

Please post some pictures of your station siting to FLICKR so we can 
assess if there could be an issue there.  Here are the procedures for 
uploading this pictures:
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/brookevilleweather/flickr_setup.html

Cheers,

Dave
CW0351

annmarie at beamsvillewx.ca wrote:

> Hi all:  Since spring started, I have seen many errors in my temp 
> observations. I just replaced my SIM board on my Davis Vantage Pro2 
> about a month-and-a-half ago. I think it may be due to the fact that I 
> reside in a micro-climate of sorts, between Lake Ontario and the 
> Niagara Escarpment, but I was wondering if I need a fan aspirated 
> radiation shield?
>  
> Regards,
> Ann-Marie Keenan
> Beamsville Weather Station
> www.beamsvillewx.ca <http://www.beamsvillewx.ca>
>
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From annmarie at beamsvillewx.ca  Fri Jun  8 20:40:24 2007
From: annmarie at beamsvillewx.ca (annmarie at beamsvillewx.ca)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 21:40:24 -0400
Subject: [wxqc] temp errors
Message-ID: <01c301c7aa37$27ba4330$6400a8c0@KEENANF79D9D01>

Hi Dave:  No, I believe that the older SIM board was fine. The other sensors 
are within a degree or two of my main station, but of course they are not 
sending data to CWOP :), so perhaps they are not correct either. My Davis 
station is attached to a wooden post, facing south, a few feet above grass 
in an open section of my yard. My OS temperature/hygrometer is located a few feet above the grass again, approx. 10 feet west of the main station in a 
home-made radiation shield (non-aspirated), and my Lacrosse temperature 
sensor is situated by my front door, facing north. My backyard faces 
directly south.

Regards,
Ann-Marie Keenan
Beamsville Weather Station
www.beamsvillewx.ca
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From carroll.fletcher at gmail.com  Sat Jun  9 10:38:28 2007
From: carroll.fletcher at gmail.com (Carroll Fletcher)
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 10:38:28 -0500
Subject: [wxqc] Wind errors after rain - Davis Vantage Pro 2
Message-ID: <bf6e41350706090838t28e80c9dybbad4d2eb543d807@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Folks,

I recently moved my ISS to a location about 150 feet from where it has been
for over a year and placed it on a tower about 25 feet above the ground to
clear some possible wind blocks (It was near a railroad track where trains
were occasionally parked) Since then the two times it has rained, I have
shown wind spikes (app. 100 mph) shortly after rain events.  The rest of the
time everything seems to work fine.

Anyone ever seen this before?

http://www.wunderground.com/weatherstation/WXDailyHistory.asp?ID=KARNEWAR1&month=6&day=5&year=2007
http://www.wunderground.com/weatherstation/WXDailyHistory.asp?ID=KARNEWAR1&month=6&day=8&year=2007
http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/wxpage.cgi?call=kb5fnn

Thanks,
Carroll
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From ronparker at houston.rr.com  Sat Jun  9 11:20:25 2007
From: ronparker at houston.rr.com (RON PARKER)
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 11:20:25 -0500
Subject: [wxqc] Wind Question
Message-ID: <FAC2F46842ED44A0961368461F6ABDD5@RONDESKTOP>

Is there a standard or a correct height where the anemometer should be installed?... I have the Davis Vantage Pro 2 weather station?

Thanks

Ron
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From ibbrunnie at comcast.net  Sat Jun  9 11:30:23 2007
From: ibbrunnie at comcast.net (Rich Brunnworth)
Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 10:30:23 -0600
Subject: [wxqc] Wind Question
In-Reply-To: <FAC2F46842ED44A0961368461F6ABDD5@RONDESKTOP>
References: <FAC2F46842ED44A0961368461F6ABDD5@RONDESKTOP>
Message-ID: <466AD59F.7020002@comcast.net>

 From what I've read, 30 feet is the proper height.

Rich
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RON PARKER wrote:
> Is there a standard or a correct height where the anemometer should be 
> installed?... I have the Davis Vantage Pro 2 weather station?
>  
> T
>

From bryce at azlab.net  Sat Jun  9 11:36:51 2007
From: bryce at azlab.net (Bryce Alexander)
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 09:36:51 -0700
Subject: [wxqc] Wind errors after rain - Davis Vantage Pro 2
In-Reply-To: <bf6e41350706090838t28e80c9dybbad4d2eb543d807@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00ee01c7aab4$655d0a60$03371e0a@Artemis>

Sounds like you are getting water into your electrical contacts, I would
recommend inspecting the anemometer for any wires or circuit boards that are
exposed to the elements. 

 

  _____  

From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net
[mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net] On Behalf Of Carroll
Fletcher
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 8:38 AM
To: wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net
Subject: [wxqc] Wind errors after rain - Davis Vantage Pro 2

 

Hi Folks,

I recently moved my ISS to a location about 150 feet from where it has been
for over a year and placed it on a tower about 25 feet above the ground to
clear some possible wind blocks (It was near a railroad track where trains
were occasionally parked) Since then the two times it has rained, I have
shown wind spikes (app. 100 mph) shortly after rain events.  The rest of the
time everything seems to work fine. 

Anyone ever seen this before?

http://www.wunderground.com/weatherstation/WXDailyHistory.asp?ID=KARNEWAR1
<http://www.wunderground.com/weatherstation/WXDailyHistory.asp?ID=KARNEWAR1&
month=6&day=5&year=2007> &month=6&day=5&year=2007 
http://www.wunderground.com/weatherstation/WXDailyHistory.asp?ID=KARNEWAR1
<http://www.wunderground.com/weatherstation/WXDailyHistory.asp?ID=KARNEWAR1&
month=6&day=8&year=2007> &month=6&day=8&year=2007 
http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/wxpage.cgi?call=kb5fnn

Thanks,
Carroll
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From bryce at azlab.net  Sat Jun  9 11:41:19 2007
From: bryce at azlab.net (Bryce Alexander)
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 09:41:19 -0700
Subject: [wxqc] Wind Question
In-Reply-To: <466AD59F.7020002@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <00f301c7aab5$0499cfa0$03371e0a@Artemis>

In most areas 30 feet is about right, the main thing is to get above the
nearby trees and houses. There is a turbulent zone around and at the top of
these obstructions that will skew your readings.

-----Original Message-----
From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net
[mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net] On Behalf Of Rich Brunnworth
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 9:30 AM
To: Discussion of weather data quality issues
Subject: Re: [wxqc] Wind Question

 From what I've read, 30 feet is the proper height.

Rich
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> Is there a standard or a correct height where the anemometer should be 
> installed?... I have the Davis Vantage Pro 2 weather station?
>  
> T
>
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From steve at dimse.com  Sat Jun  9 12:48:01 2007
From: steve at dimse.com (Steve Dimse)
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 13:48:01 -0400
Subject: [wxqc] Wind errors after rain - Davis Vantage Pro 2
In-Reply-To: <00ee01c7aab4$655d0a60$03371e0a@Artemis>
References: <00ee01c7aab4$655d0a60$03371e0a@Artemis>
Message-ID: <8BACF6E7-AE5D-4093-A92E-A24DA9886D6B@dimse.com>

What is interesting is the data show a very consistent wind speed pf  
98 MPH, and a gust of 100 or 101. This really makes me suspect a  
software error rather than a sensor error.

KB5FNN>APRS,TCPXX*,qAX,FIRST:@081538z3540.78N/ 
09124.62W_360/008g013t069r047p058P058h93b10157.DsVP
KB5FNN>APRS,TCPXX*,qAX,FIRST:@081543z3540.78N/ 
09124.62W_192/098g100t069r034p059P059h93b10157.DsVP
KB5FNN>APRS,TCPXX*,qAX,FIRST:@081548z3540.78N/ 
09124.62W_172/098g101t069r021p060P060h93b10159.DsVP
KB5FNN>APRS,TCPXX*,qAX,FIRST:@081553z3540.78N/ 
09124.62W_205/098g101t069r017p062P062h92b10159.DsVP
KB5FNN>APRS,TCPXX*,qAX,FIRST:@081603z3540.78N/ 
09124.62W_190/012g099t070r009p062P062h92b10164.DsVP
KB5FNN>APRS,TCPXX*,qAX,FIRST:@081608z3540.78N/ 
09124.62W_200/010g016t070r005p062P062h91b10164.DsVP
KB5FNN>APRS,TCPXX*,qAX,FIRST:@081613z3540.78N/ 
09124.62W_178/007g016t071r004p062P062h89b10164.DsVP

The question is whether these high values come out of the Davis. Does  
your unit have a peak wind recall function? If so, does it show 101  
gusts yesterday? That would at least narrow it down to the weather  
station and its firmware.

Steve K4HG

On Jun 9, 2007, at 12:36 PM, Bryce Alexander wrote:

> Sounds like you are getting water into your electrical contacts, I  
> would recommend inspecting the anemometer for any wires or circuit  
> boards that are exposed to the elements.
>
>
>
> From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net [mailto:wxqc- 
> bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net] On Behalf Of Carroll Fletcher
> Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 8:38 AM
> To: wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net
> Subject: [wxqc] Wind errors after rain - Davis Vantage Pro 2
>
>
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> I recently moved my ISS to a location about 150 feet from where it  
> has been for over a year and placed it on a tower about 25 feet  
> above the ground to clear some possible wind blocks (It was near a  
> railroad track where trains were occasionally parked) Since then  
> the two times it has rained, I have shown wind spikes (app. 100  
> mph) shortly after rain events.  The rest of the time everything  
> seems to work fine.
>
> Anyone ever seen this before?
>
> http://www.wunderground.com/weatherstation/WXDailyHistory.asp? 
> ID=KARNEWAR1&month=6&day=5&year=2007
> http://www.wunderground.com/weatherstation/WXDailyHistory.asp? 
> ID=KARNEWAR1&month=6&day=8&year=2007
> http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/wxpage.cgi?call=kb5fnn
>
> Thanks,
> Carroll
> -- 
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Hatred does not cease in this world by hating, but by not hating;  
> this is an eternal truth.
> Buddha
>
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From carroll.fletcher at gmail.com  Sat Jun  9 12:54:07 2007
From: carroll.fletcher at gmail.com (Carroll Fletcher)
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 12:54:07 -0500
Subject: [wxqc] Wind errors after rain - Davis Vantage Pro 2
In-Reply-To: <8BACF6E7-AE5D-4093-A92E-A24DA9886D6B@dimse.com>
References: <00ee01c7aab4$655d0a60$03371e0a@Artemis>
	<8BACF6E7-AE5D-4093-A92E-A24DA9886D6B@dimse.com>
Message-ID: <bf6e41350706091054r4ffebc19ha6b70fbc52e45d39@mail.gmail.com>

When I reviewed the data in the "strip chart" function in the Davis Weather
software the peaks were present. I do not know if the hardware retains this
value or not.  I will not be near this equipment (It is at work and I am on
vacation) again for two weeks so I can't check it right now.

CF

On 6/9/07, Steve Dimse <steve at dimse.com> wrote:
>
> What is interesting is the data show a very consistent wind speed pf
> 98 MPH, and a gust of 100 or 101. This really makes me suspect a
> software error rather than a sensor error.
>
> KB5FNN>APRS,TCPXX*,qAX,FIRST:@081538z3540.78N/
> 09124.62W_360/008g013t069r047p058P058h93b10157.DsVP
> KB5FNN>APRS,TCPXX*,qAX,FIRST:@081543z3540.78N/
> 09124.62W_192/098g100t069r034p059P059h93b10157.DsVP
> KB5FNN>APRS,TCPXX*,qAX,FIRST:@081548z3540.78N/
> 09124.62W_172/098g101t069r021p060P060h93b10159.DsVP
> KB5FNN>APRS,TCPXX*,qAX,FIRST:@081553z3540.78N/
> 09124.62W_205/098g101t069r017p062P062h92b10159.DsVP
> KB5FNN>APRS,TCPXX*,qAX,FIRST:@081603z3540.78N/
> 09124.62W_190/012g099t070r009p062P062h92b10164.DsVP
> KB5FNN>APRS,TCPXX*,qAX,FIRST:@081608z3540.78N/
> 09124.62W_200/010g016t070r005p062P062h91b10164.DsVP
> KB5FNN>APRS,TCPXX*,qAX,FIRST:@081613z3540.78N/
> 09124.62W_178/007g016t071r004p062P062h89b10164.DsVP
>
> The question is whether these high values come out of the Davis. Does
> your unit have a peak wind recall function? If so, does it show 101
> gusts yesterday? That would at least narrow it down to the weather
> station and its firmware.
>
> Steve K4HG
>
> On Jun 9, 2007, at 12:36 PM, Bryce Alexander wrote:
>
> > Sounds like you are getting water into your electrical contacts, I
> > would recommend inspecting the anemometer for any wires or circuit
> > boards that are exposed to the elements.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net [mailto:wxqc-
> > bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net] On Behalf Of Carroll Fletcher
> > Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 8:38 AM
> > To: wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net
> > Subject: [wxqc] Wind errors after rain - Davis Vantage Pro 2
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Folks,
> >
> > I recently moved my ISS to a location about 150 feet from where it
> > has been for over a year and placed it on a tower about 25 feet
> > above the ground to clear some possible wind blocks (It was near a
> > railroad track where trains were occasionally parked) Since then
> > the two times it has rained, I have shown wind spikes (app. 100
> > mph) shortly after rain events.  The rest of the time everything
> > seems to work fine.
> >
> > Anyone ever seen this before?
> >
> > http://www.wunderground.com/weatherstation/WXDailyHistory.asp?
> > ID=KARNEWAR1&month=6&day=5&year=2007
> > http://www.wunderground.com/weatherstation/WXDailyHistory.asp?
> > ID=KARNEWAR1&month=6&day=8&year=2007
> > http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/wxpage.cgi?call=kb5fnn
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Carroll
> > --
> > ----------------------------------------------------
> > Hatred does not cease in this world by hating, but by not hating;
> > this is an eternal truth.
> > Buddha
> >
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From bryce at azlab.net  Sat Jun  9 13:04:25 2007
From: bryce at azlab.net (Bryce Alexander)
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 11:04:25 -0700
Subject: [wxqc] Wind errors after rain - Davis Vantage Pro 2
In-Reply-To: <8BACF6E7-AE5D-4093-A92E-A24DA9886D6B@dimse.com>
Message-ID: <011601c7aac0$a056e300$03371e0a@Artemis>

It could still be both, a kind of cause and effect relationship. If the
water is shorting a contact, then the anemometer could be sending invalid
data and the software, not knowing what to do with that invalid data falls
to a kind of default mode.

Since this is consistently happening a few minutes after rain, and not at
other random times the cause will certainly be related to rain (think
water). The effect is how the software reacts to that event. 

I do not know if you are wired to the sensor, or using the wireless feature,
so it can be difficult to pinpoint the location of the water short across
the internet. It could be in one of the modular phone connections, or it
could be on the circuitry that sends the signal to either the radio or the
wire.  Wherever it is, look for places where a tiny drop of water can touch
wires or circuit boards; especially inside taped or modular connectors.

-----Original Message-----
From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net
[mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net] On Behalf Of Steve Dimse
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 10:48 AM
To: Discussion of weather data quality issues
Subject: Re: [wxqc] Wind errors after rain - Davis Vantage Pro 2

What is interesting is the data show a very consistent wind speed pf  
98 MPH, and a gust of 100 or 101. This really makes me suspect a  
software error rather than a sensor error.

KB5FNN>APRS,TCPXX*,qAX,FIRST:@081538z3540.78N/ 
09124.62W_360/008g013t069r047p058P058h93b10157.DsVP
KB5FNN>APRS,TCPXX*,qAX,FIRST:@081543z3540.78N/ 
09124.62W_192/098g100t069r034p059P059h93b10157.DsVP
KB5FNN>APRS,TCPXX*,qAX,FIRST:@081548z3540.78N/ 
09124.62W_172/098g101t069r021p060P060h93b10159.DsVP
KB5FNN>APRS,TCPXX*,qAX,FIRST:@081553z3540.78N/ 
09124.62W_205/098g101t069r017p062P062h92b10159.DsVP
KB5FNN>APRS,TCPXX*,qAX,FIRST:@081603z3540.78N/ 
09124.62W_190/012g099t070r009p062P062h92b10164.DsVP
KB5FNN>APRS,TCPXX*,qAX,FIRST:@081608z3540.78N/ 
09124.62W_200/010g016t070r005p062P062h91b10164.DsVP
KB5FNN>APRS,TCPXX*,qAX,FIRST:@081613z3540.78N/ 
09124.62W_178/007g016t071r004p062P062h89b10164.DsVP

The question is whether these high values come out of the Davis. Does  
your unit have a peak wind recall function? If so, does it show 101  
gusts yesterday? That would at least narrow it down to the weather  
station and its firmware.

Steve K4HG

On Jun 9, 2007, at 12:36 PM, Bryce Alexander wrote:

> Sounds like you are getting water into your electrical contacts, I  
> would recommend inspecting the anemometer for any wires or circuit  
> boards that are exposed to the elements.
>
>
>
> From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net [mailto:wxqc- 
> bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net] On Behalf Of Carroll Fletcher
> Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 8:38 AM
> To: wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net
> Subject: [wxqc] Wind errors after rain - Davis Vantage Pro 2
>
>
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> I recently moved my ISS to a location about 150 feet from where it  
> has been for over a year and placed it on a tower about 25 feet  
> above the ground to clear some possible wind blocks (It was near a  
> railroad track where trains were occasionally parked) Since then  
> the two times it has rained, I have shown wind spikes (app. 100  
> mph) shortly after rain events.  The rest of the time everything  
> seems to work fine.
>
> Anyone ever seen this before?
>
> http://www.wunderground.com/weatherstation/WXDailyHistory.asp? 
> ID=KARNEWAR1&month=6&day=5&year=2007
> http://www.wunderground.com/weatherstation/WXDailyHistory.asp? 
> ID=KARNEWAR1&month=6&day=8&year=2007
> http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/wxpage.cgi?call=kb5fnn
>
> Thanks,
> Carroll
> -- 
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Hatred does not cease in this world by hating, but by not hating;  
> this is an eternal truth.
> Buddha
>
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From flgraves1 at msn.com  Sun Jun 10 16:56:30 2007
From: flgraves1 at msn.com (Lee GRAVES)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 17:56:30 -0400
Subject: [wxqc] Wind Question
References: <00f301c7aab5$0499cfa0$03371e0a@Artemis>
Message-ID: <BAY111-DAV8E0F1C685B6284D209922EA1B0@phx.gbl>

How about under the eaves of a house?  Is this a good place to install an outside temp sensor?   Thanks..............Lee
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bryce Alexander<mailto:bryce at azlab.net> 
  To: 'Discussion of weather data quality issues'<mailto:wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net> 
  Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 12:41 PM
  Subject: Re: [wxqc] Wind Question


  In most areas 30 feet is about right, the main thing is to get above the
  nearby trees and houses. There is a turbulent zone around and at the top of
  these obstructions that will skew your readings.

  -----Original Message-----
  From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net<mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net>
  [mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net] On Behalf Of Rich Brunnworth
  Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 9:30 AM
  To: Discussion of weather data quality issues
  Subject: Re: [wxqc] Wind Question

   From what I've read, 30 feet is the proper height.

  Rich
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  > Is there a standard or a correct height where the anemometer should be 
  > installed?... I have the Davis Vantage Pro 2 weather station?
  >  
  > T
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From ibbrunnie at comcast.net  Sun Jun 10 17:13:10 2007
From: ibbrunnie at comcast.net (Rich Brunnworth)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 16:13:10 -0600
Subject: [wxqc] Wind Question
In-Reply-To: <BAY111-DAV8E0F1C685B6284D209922EA1B0@phx.gbl>
References: <00f301c7aab5$0499cfa0$03371e0a@Artemis>
	<BAY111-DAV8E0F1C685B6284D209922EA1B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <466C7776.7060907@comcast.net>

My temp sensor is mounted on the south side of the house...  BAD!
It is up under the eave...GOOD!
It is almost in line above the dryer vent...BAD!
It is 8 feet above the dryer vent so that has no effect on it...GOOD!
It was reading a bit weird...BAD!!
I drilled some 1/8th holes in the top of the housing to let the air flow 
through it...GOOD!!

So yes you can mount the temp/hygrometer sensor up under the eave but it 
has to be protected from direct sunlight and you may have to slightly 
modify it for proper air flow.

Rich
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Lee GRAVES wrote:
> How about under the eaves of a house?  Is this a good place to install 
> an outside temp sensor?   Thanks..............Lee
>

From bryce at azlab.net  Sun Jun 10 22:21:30 2007
From: bryce at azlab.net (Bryce Alexander)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 20:21:30 -0700
Subject: [wxqc] Wind Question
In-Reply-To: <BAY111-DAV8E0F1C685B6284D209922EA1B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <012401c7abd7$9e016b80$03371e0a@Artemis>

The problem with setting it under the eaves is twofold. First of all there
is an issue of air stagnation since most eaves completely surround the
temp/humidity sensors in a pocket of air. You will find that the dew point
will be skewed and the temp will be slow to change because of this. The
other problem is that if it isn't the North wall, then when the sun hits
that wall and heats it up the heat will rise and get caught in that pocket
of air giving you a solar radiation problem.

 

There are several issues with urban settings, so it may not always be
appropriate to set your temp and humidity sensors at the recommended four
feet up and 90 feet away from concrete or asphalt. But use as much common
sense as you can to place the sensors in an area where they get the ambient
air flowing across them. Make sure it is well shielded from the sun, and
doesn't get misted when you water your grass. That will be your sweet spot. 

 

  _____  

From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net
[mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net] On Behalf Of Lee GRAVES
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 2:57 PM
To: Discussion of weather data quality issues
Subject: Re: [wxqc] Wind Question

 

How about under the eaves of a house?  Is this a good place to install an
outside temp sensor?   Thanks..............Lee

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Bryce <mailto:bryce at azlab.net>  Alexander 

To: 'Discussion of weather data <mailto:wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net>
quality issues' 

Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 12:41 PM

Subject: Re: [wxqc] Wind Question

 

In most areas 30 feet is about right, the main thing is to get above the
nearby trees and houses. There is a turbulent zone around and at the top of
these obstructions that will skew your readings.

-----Original Message-----
From: wxqc-bounces at listsgladstonefamily.net
<mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net> 
[mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net] On Behalf Of Rich Brunnworth
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 9:30 AM
To: Discussion of weather data quality issues
Subject: Re: [wxqc] Wind Question

 From what I've read, 30 feet is the proper height.

Rich
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RON PARKER wrote:
> Is there a standard or a correct height where the anemometer should be 
> installed?... I have the Davis Vantage Pro 2 weather station?
>  
> T
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From gerry.creager at tamu.edu  Mon Jun 11 07:24:21 2007
From: gerry.creager at tamu.edu (Gerry Creager)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 07:24:21 -0500
Subject: [wxqc] Wind Question
In-Reply-To: <BAY111-DAV8E0F1C685B6284D209922EA1B0@phx.gbl>
References: <00f301c7aab5$0499cfa0$03371e0a@Artemis>
	<BAY111-DAV8E0F1C685B6284D209922EA1B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <466D3EF5.7040906@tamu.edu>

Often, the house will be a source of radiated heat causing a temperature 
error.  In general, the temperature sensor should be ~5-6 feet above 
ground in an unobstructed area, over grass and in a ventilated container 
that protects it from direct solar radiation.

There's plenty of references on solar radiation shields available with 
some references off the CQOP site.

gerry

Lee GRAVES wrote:
> How about under the eaves of a house?  Is this a good place to install 
> an outside temp sensor?   Thanks..............Lee
> 
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* Bryce Alexander <mailto:bryce at azlab.net>
>     *To:* 'Discussion of weather data quality issues'
>     <mailto:wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net>
>     *Sent:* Saturday, June 09, 2007 12:41 PM
>     *Subject:* Re: [wxqc] Wind Question
> 
>     In most areas 30 feet is about right, the main thing is to get above the
>     nearby trees and houses. There is a turbulent zone around and at the
>     top of
>     these obstructions that will skew your readings.
> 
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: wxqc-bounces at listsgladstonefamily.net
>     <mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net>
>     [mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net] On Behalf Of Rich
>     Brunnworth
>     Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 9:30 AM
>     To: Discussion of weather data quality issues
>     Subject: Re: [wxqc] Wind Question
> 
>      From what I've read, 30 feet is the proper height.
> 
>     Rich
>     This email scanned with AVG antivirus program
> 
>     RON PARKER wrote:
>      > Is there a standard or a correct height where the anemometer
>     should be
>      > installed?... I have the Davis Vantage Pro 2 weather station?
>      > 
>      > T
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From amsoiltek at gmail.com  Mon Jun 11 13:45:20 2007
From: amsoiltek at gmail.com (Rory)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 11:45:20 -0700
Subject: [wxqc] Pros and Cons On OSI WMR-968
Message-ID: <e00c78c00706111145h3fe9959ere35b84293274c281@mail.gmail.com>

Hi gang, I'm looking to put up a station and have been comparing both the
ProVantage and the OSI units.
Anyone have any feedback on the WMR-968 I know it's a lot less than the
Davis gear and I know you get what you pay for.

Thanks for your input.


Rory
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From ikishk+wxqc at gmail.com  Mon Jun 11 14:04:31 2007
From: ikishk+wxqc at gmail.com (Isaac Kishk (CW6261))
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 14:04:31 -0500
Subject: [wxqc] Pros and Cons On OSI WMR-968
In-Reply-To: <e00c78c00706111145h3fe9959ere35b84293274c281@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e00c78c00706111145h3fe9959ere35b84293274c281@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f1559b000706111204qfe6b5f4g227012a6120d3f9a@mail.gmail.com>

I've had the OSI wmr-968 for over a year now.  My various complaints
range from idiotic support to insanely stupid engineering.

- The rain bucket doesn't "clear" its last reading for 2 hours after.
so you could have a rainfall rate of .16in/hr for 2 hrs, while it was
only a 5min shower. RMA'd... turns out that the way it was designed.
- the solar panel on my anemometer stopped working, which caused it to
run on batteries.  I attempted to remove the panel to drain it and
reseal it, but it was manufactured in such a way that removal is
impossible w/out destroying.  The leads from the solar panels are
hotglued on the opposite side of the plastic housing you unscrew.  so
unscrewing it and slowly pulling it apart pulled the wires. RMA woulda
taken 6 months. whatever, i attached my own panel.
- the solar panel on my rain bucket decided to just stop working out
of the blue. RMA'd.. works fine now.
- my thermohydrometer started reading 10-15oC extremes out of the
blue.  turns out it had rust in it from condensation.  RMA'd, bought
anotehr one in the interim.
- the main base unit makes a loud "television" type barely audible
tone when the backlight is on.  Bought a second one for my office,
same problem.
- you cant disable the loud beeps on the base unit (unless you cut the
leads to the speaker).

When dealing with support, they are happy to help, you just have to
play CSR roulette to find someone who knows what "anemometer" is.
Once you find them, they will gladly do your RMA.  When you ask for an
ETA, that's another story.  The products are almost ALWAYS
backordered.  they use some outfit in china to mass produce them in
spurts.  instead of stocking a warehouse, they only order enough to
"cover" the backorders and RMAs.  I ended up ebaying a
hydrothermometer because they had a 4 month wait on a  new one.
crazy.

I'm the type that doesn't mind an occasional glitch, but I wish I
spent the extra money for a real system, not some radio shack "good
enough" system.  feel free to email me directly if you need more
details on my setup or any of the situations I described.

On 6/11/07, Rory <amsoiltek at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi gang, I'm looking to put up a station and have been comparing both the
> ProVantage and the OSI units.
> Anyone have any feedback on the WMR-968 I know it's a lot less than the
> Davis gear and I know you get what you pay for.
>
> Thanks for your input.
>
>
> Rory
>
>
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From ken at ubh.com  Mon Jun 11 14:10:09 2007
From: ken at ubh.com (Ken Whelan)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 14:10:09 -0500
Subject: [wxqc] Pros and Cons On OSI WMR-968
In-Reply-To: <e00c78c00706111145h3fe9959ere35b84293274c281@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e00c78c00706111145h3fe9959ere35b84293274c281@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C7058FCA5307C4BBE440C692631B127C063DB@pig.uhc.cc>

I got the WMR-968 for a Christmas present.   Took one look at the build
quality on it,  turned around and sold it and got a Davis.   There is no
comparison between the two from a quality standpoint. 
 
kw

________________________________

From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net
[mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net] On Behalf Of Rory
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 1:45 PM
To: wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net
Subject: [wxqc] Pros and Cons On OSI WMR-968


Hi gang, I'm looking to put up a station and have been comparing both
the ProVantage and the OSI units. 
Anyone have any feedback on the WMR-968 I know it's a lot less than the
Davis gear and I know you get what you pay for. 

Thanks for your input.


Rory


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From amsoiltek at gmail.com  Mon Jun 11 14:12:51 2007
From: amsoiltek at gmail.com (Rory)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 12:12:51 -0700
Subject: [wxqc] Pros and Cons On OSI WMR-968
In-Reply-To: <f1559b000706111204qfe6b5f4g227012a6120d3f9a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e00c78c00706111145h3fe9959ere35b84293274c281@mail.gmail.com>
	<f1559b000706111204qfe6b5f4g227012a6120d3f9a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e00c78c00706111212o110392e8id1ea93ea11d2e990@mail.gmail.com>

Wow Isaac, your post speaks volumes of info. Maybe I will go for the Davis
unit and not play around with sub-standard units.
I really would like to put a reliable station and of course feed the data to
the net.

Thanks for the input.

Rory

On 6/11/07, Isaac Kishk (CW6261) <ikishk+wxqc at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I've had the OSI wmr-968 for over a year now.  My various complaints
> range from idiotic support to insanely stupid engineering.
>
> - The rain bucket doesn't "clear" its last reading for 2 hours after.
> so you could have a rainfall rate of .16in/hr for 2 hrs, while it was
> only a 5min shower. RMA'd... turns out that the way it was designed.
> - the solar panel on my anemometer stopped working, which caused it to
> run on batteries.  I attempted to remove the panel to drain it and
> reseal it, but it was manufactured in such a way that removal is
> impossible w/out destroying.  The leads from the solar panels are
> hotglued on the opposite side of the plastic housing you unscrew.  so
> unscrewing it and slowly pulling it apart pulled the wires. RMA woulda
> taken 6 months. whatever, i attached my own panel.
> - the solar panel on my rain bucket decided to just stop working out
> of the blue. RMA'd.. works fine now.
> - my thermohydrometer started reading 10-15oC extremes out of the
> blue.  turns out it had rust in it from condensation.  RMA'd, bought
> anotehr one in the interim.
> - the main base unit makes a loud "television" type barely audible
> tone when the backlight is on.  Bought a second one for my office,
> same problem.
> - you cant disable the loud beeps on the base unit (unless you cut the
> leads to the speaker).
>
> When dealing with support, they are happy to help, you just have to
> play CSR roulette to find someone who knows what "anemometer" is.
> Once you find them, they will gladly do your RMA.  When you ask for an
> ETA, that's another story.  The products are almost ALWAYS
> backordered.  they use some outfit in china to mass produce them in
> spurts.  instead of stocking a warehouse, they only order enough to
> "cover" the backorders and RMAs.  I ended up ebaying a
> hydrothermometer because they had a 4 month wait on a  new one.
> crazy.
>
> I'm the type that doesn't mind an occasional glitch, but I wish I
> spent the extra money for a real system, not some radio shack "good
> enough" system.  feel free to email me directly if you need more
> details on my setup or any of the situations I described.
>
> On 6/11/07, Rory <amsoiltek at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi gang, I'm looking to put up a station and have been comparing both
> the
> > ProVantage and the OSI units.
> > Anyone have any feedback on the WMR-968 I know it's a lot less than the
> > Davis gear and I know you get what you pay for.
> >
> > Thanks for your input.
> >
> >
> > Rory
> >
> >
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From paulgrace at lookoutranch.com  Mon Jun 11 14:20:02 2007
From: paulgrace at lookoutranch.com (Paul Grace)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 12:20:02 -0700
Subject: [wxqc] Pros and Cons On OSI WMR-968
In-Reply-To: <f1559b000706111204qfe6b5f4g227012a6120d3f9a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e00c78c00706111145h3fe9959ere35b84293274c281@mail.gmail.com>
	<f1559b000706111204qfe6b5f4g227012a6120d3f9a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001e01c7ac5d$83007610$0200a8c0@dell1500>

OMG.  I can feel your pain... 

-----Original Message-----
From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net
[mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net] On Behalf Of Isaac Kishk
(CW6261)
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 12:05
To: Discussion of weather data quality issues
Subject: Re: [wxqc] Pros and Cons On OSI WMR-968

I've had the OSI wmr-968 for over a year now.  My various complaints range
from idiotic support to insanely stupid engineering.

- The rain bucket doesn't "clear" its last reading for 2 hours after.
so you could have a rainfall rate of .16in/hr for 2 hrs, while it was only a
5min shower. RMA'd... turns out that the way it was designed.
- the solar panel on my anemometer stopped working, which caused it to run
on batteries.  I attempted to remove the panel to drain it and reseal it,
but it was manufactured in such a way that removal is impossible w/out
destroying.  The leads from the solar panels are hotglued on the opposite
side of the plastic housing you unscrew.  so unscrewing it and slowly
pulling it apart pulled the wires. RMA woulda taken 6 months. whatever, i
attached my own panel.
- the solar panel on my rain bucket decided to just stop working out of the
blue. RMA'd.. works fine now.
- my thermohydrometer started reading 10-15oC extremes out of the blue.
turns out it had rust in it from condensation.  RMA'd, bought anotehr one in
the interim.
- the main base unit makes a loud "television" type barely audible tone when
the backlight is on.  Bought a second one for my office, same problem.
- you cant disable the loud beeps on the base unit (unless you cut the leads
to the speaker).

When dealing with support, they are happy to help, you just have to play CSR
roulette to find someone who knows what "anemometer" is.
Once you find them, they will gladly do your RMA.  When you ask for an ETA,
that's another story.  The products are almost ALWAYS backordered.  they use
some outfit in china to mass produce them in spurts.  instead of stocking a
warehouse, they only order enough to "cover" the backorders and RMAs.  I
ended up ebaying a hydrothermometer because they had a 4 month wait on a
new one.
crazy.

I'm the type that doesn't mind an occasional glitch, but I wish I spent the
extra money for a real system, not some radio shack "good enough" system.
feel free to email me directly if you need more details on my setup or any
of the situations I described.

On 6/11/07, Rory <amsoiltek at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi gang, I'm looking to put up a station and have been comparing both 
> the ProVantage and the OSI units.
> Anyone have any feedback on the WMR-968 I know it's a lot less than 
> the Davis gear and I know you get what you pay for.
>
> Thanks for your input.
>
>
> Rory
>
>
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From tom at tgt.org  Mon Jun 11 14:25:57 2007
From: tom at tgt.org (Tom Tcimpidis)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 12:25:57 -0700
Subject: [wxqc] Pros and Cons On OSI WMR-968
In-Reply-To: <e00c78c00706111145h3fe9959ere35b84293274c281@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e00c78c00706111145h3fe9959ere35b84293274c281@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <066001c7ac5e$573ff0e0$05bfd2a0$@org>

I've had the Davis Vantage Pro Plus since it first came out.  You do get
what you pay for: They have done a number of upgrades on it over the years
and none of them have ever cost me a cent.  The WMR is ok but I believe that
the Davis is well worth the extra cost.

 

http://www.ghweather/org

 

From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net
[mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net] On Behalf Of Rory
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 11:45 AM
To: wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net
Subject: [wxqc] Pros and Cons On OSI WMR-968

 

Hi gang, I'm looking to put up a station and have been comparing both the
ProVantage and the OSI units. 
Anyone have any feedback on the WMR-968 I know it's a lot less than the
Davis gear and I know you get what you pay for. 

Thanks for your input.


Rory

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From ikishk+wxqc at gmail.com  Mon Jun 11 18:44:47 2007
From: ikishk+wxqc at gmail.com (Isaac Kishk (CW6261))
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 18:44:47 -0500
Subject: [wxqc] Pros and Cons On OSI WMR-968
In-Reply-To: <f1559b000706111204qfe6b5f4g227012a6120d3f9a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e00c78c00706111145h3fe9959ere35b84293274c281@mail.gmail.com>
	<f1559b000706111204qfe6b5f4g227012a6120d3f9a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f1559b000706111644hca2081chc8fc998d998d2c7a@mail.gmail.com>

You might find this revealing as well:
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?value=KTXROUND14&query=78681

you will notice anything under 40% RH is an OSI, while the others are
Davis.  hmmm!  I'm betting alot of these dont have them fan aspirated, but I
do.. so thats not the problem, seems the sensor itself isnt that great. man
what a POS i have.  I walk outside and break into a sweat after 10 paces.
these OSI ones are definitely off.

yes I know the data in this email is time sensitive,  so heres a snapshot:
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p241/ikishk/RoundRockTexas78681ConditionsForeca.jpg
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p241/ikishk/RoundRockTexas78681ConditionsFor-2.jpg
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p241/ikishk/RoundRockTexas78681ConditionsFor-3.jpg
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p241/ikishk/RoundRockTexas78681ConditionsFor-4.jpg
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p241/ikishk/RoundRockTexas78681ConditionsFor-5.jpg
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p241/ikishk/RoundRockTexas78681ConditionsFor-6.jpg



On 6/11/07, Isaac Kishk (CW6261) <ikishk+wxqc at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I've had the OSI wmr-968 for over a year now.  My various complaints
> range from idiotic support to insanely stupid engineering.
>
> - The rain bucket doesn't "clear" its last reading for 2 hours after.
> so you could have a rainfall rate of .16in/hr for 2 hrs, while it was
> only a 5min shower. RMA'd... turns out that the way it was designed.
> - the solar panel on my anemometer stopped working, which caused it to
> run on batteries.  I attempted to remove the panel to drain it and
> reseal it, but it was manufactured in such a way that removal is
> impossible w/out destroying.  The leads from the solar panels are
> hotglued on the opposite side of the plastic housing you unscrew.  so
> unscrewing it and slowly pulling it apart pulled the wires. RMA woulda
> taken 6 months. whatever, i attached my own panel.
> - the solar panel on my rain bucket decided to just stop working out
> of the blue. RMA'd.. works fine now.
> - my thermohydrometer started reading 10-15oC extremes out of the
> blue.  turns out it had rust in it from condensation.  RMA'd, bought
> anotehr one in the interim.
> - the main base unit makes a loud "television" type barely audible
> tone when the backlight is on.  Bought a second one for my office,
> same problem.
> - you cant disable the loud beeps on the base unit (unless you cut the
> leads to the speaker).
>
> When dealing with support, they are happy to help, you just have to
> play CSR roulette to find someone who knows what "anemometer" is.
> Once you find them, they will gladly do your RMA.  When you ask for an
> ETA, that's another story.  The products are almost ALWAYS
> backordered.  they use some outfit in china to mass produce them in
> spurts.  instead of stocking a warehouse, they only order enough to
> "cover" the backorders and RMAs.  I ended up ebaying a
> hydrothermometer because they had a 4 month wait on a  new one.
> crazy.
>
> I'm the type that doesn't mind an occasional glitch, but I wish I
> spent the extra money for a real system, not some radio shack "good
> enough" system.  feel free to email me directly if you need more
> details on my setup or any of the situations I described.
>
> On 6/11/07, Rory <amsoiltek at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi gang, I'm looking to put up a station and have been comparing both
> the
> > ProVantage and the OSI units.
> > Anyone have any feedback on the WMR-968 I know it's a lot less than the
> > Davis gear and I know you get what you pay for.
> >
> > Thanks for your input.
> >
> >
> > Rory
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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From brillig at gmail.com  Mon Jun 11 19:02:31 2007
From: brillig at gmail.com (Victor Engel)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 19:02:31 -0500
Subject: [wxqc] Pros and Cons On OSI WMR-968
In-Reply-To: <f1559b000706111644hca2081chc8fc998d998d2c7a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e00c78c00706111145h3fe9959ere35b84293274c281@mail.gmail.com>
	<f1559b000706111204qfe6b5f4g227012a6120d3f9a@mail.gmail.com>
	<f1559b000706111644hca2081chc8fc998d998d2c7a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e0e999680706111702s80d220cwa44da3c454bae96a@mail.gmail.com>

Wow, you got a snapshot when my station (Allandale North/Wooten) and
my neighbor's (North Central Austin SKYWARN) (both on page 5) had
nearly identical readings. Although we both have Davis equipment, our
readings frequently differ, partly because his citing is restricted by
cabling (I've got the wireless unit, he does not). His RH is usually
higher than mine during rainy weather. I suspect mine might be higher
than surrounding stations during calm weather because I keep the grass
very tall and I have a pond. Anyone have any notion for how much these
situations would affect RH readings?

On 6/11/07, Isaac Kishk (CW6261) <ikishk+wxqc at gmail.com> wrote:
> You might find this revealing as well:
> http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?value=KTXROUND14&query=78681
>
> you will notice anything under 40% RH is an OSI, while the others are Davis.
>  hmmm!  I'm betting alot of these dont have them fan aspirated, but I do..
> so thats not the problem, seems the sensor itself isnt that great. man what
> a POS i have.  I walk outside and break into a sweat after 10 paces.  these
> OSI ones are definitely off.
>
> yes I know the data in this email is time sensitive,  so heres a snapshot:
> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p241/ikishk/RoundRockTexas78681ConditionsForeca.jpg
> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p241/ikishk/RoundRockTexas78681ConditionsFor-2.jpg
> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p241/ikishk/RoundRockTexas78681ConditionsFor-3.jpg
> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p241/ikishk/RoundRockTexas78681ConditionsFor-4.jpg
> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p241/ikishk/RoundRockTexas78681ConditionsFor-5.jpg
> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p241/ikishk/RoundRockTexas78681ConditionsFor-6.jpg
>
>
>
> On 6/11/07, Isaac Kishk (CW6261) < ikishk+wxqc at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I've had the OSI wmr-968 for over a year now.  My various complaints
> > range from idiotic support to insanely stupid engineering.
> >
> > - The rain bucket doesn't "clear" its last reading for 2 hours after.
> > so you could have a rainfall rate of .16in/hr for 2 hrs, while it was
> > only a 5min shower. RMA'd... turns out that the way it was designed.
> > - the solar panel on my anemometer stopped working, which caused it to
> > run on batteries.  I attempted to remove the panel to drain it and
> > reseal it, but it was manufactured in such a way that removal is
> > impossible w/out destroying.  The leads from the solar panels are
> > hotglued on the opposite side of the plastic housing you unscrew.  so
> > unscrewing it and slowly pulling it apart pulled the wires. RMA woulda
> > taken 6 months. whatever, i attached my own panel.
> > - the solar panel on my rain bucket decided to just stop working out
> > of the blue. RMA'd.. works fine now.
> > - my thermohydrometer started reading 10-15oC extremes out of the
> > blue.  turns out it had rust in it from condensation.  RMA'd, bought
> > anotehr one in the interim.
> > - the main base unit makes a loud "television" type barely audible
> > tone when the backlight is on.  Bought a second one for my office,
> > same problem.
> > - you cant disable the loud beeps on the base unit (unless you cut the
> > leads to the speaker).
> >
> > When dealing with support, they are happy to help, you just have to
> > play CSR roulette to find someone who knows what "anemometer" is.
> > Once you find them, they will gladly do your RMA.  When you ask for an
> > ETA, that's another story.  The products are almost ALWAYS
> > backordered.  they use some outfit in china to mass produce them in
> > spurts.  instead of stocking a warehouse, they only order enough to
> > "cover" the backorders and RMAs.  I ended up ebaying a
> > hydrothermometer because they had a 4 month wait on a  new one.
> > crazy.
> >
> > I'm the type that doesn't mind an occasional glitch, but I wish I
> > spent the extra money for a real system, not some radio shack "good
> > enough" system.  feel free to email me directly if you need more
> > details on my setup or any of the situations I described.
> >
> > On 6/11/07, Rory < amsoiltek at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hi gang, I'm looking to put up a station and have been comparing both
> the
> > > ProVantage and the OSI units.
> > > Anyone have any feedback on the WMR-968 I know it's a lot less than the
> > > Davis gear and I know you get what you pay for.
> > >
> > > Thanks for your input.
> > >
> > >
> > > Rory
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > wxqc mailing list
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From aledoweather at frontiernet.net  Mon Jun 11 19:46:32 2007
From: aledoweather at frontiernet.net (Aledo Weather)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 19:46:32 -0500
Subject: [wxqc] FW: Wind Question
Message-ID: <004b01c7ac8b$1f74fa20$04fea8c0@keith443afa28c>

 

 

  _____  


To: 'wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net'
Subject: Wind Question

 

I have my anemmeter mounted on a pole 20 feet high and 35 feet from the
nearest trees. Is this still too close to avoid the turbulent zone around
and at the top of
these obstructions that will skew your readings?

 

I just recently made some changes in my weather station location, moving it
out away from the house and installing the temp/hygrometer sensors in a
radiation shield I purchased from Ambient Weather. This made a big
difference in the reliability of the reading which I hope to tweak a little
better. Getting it out in the open is definitely the way to go. Does anyone
have a suggestion on how to do this and still provide them some protection? 

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From dshelms at comcast.net  Mon Jun 11 20:25:31 2007
From: dshelms at comcast.net (Dave Helms)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 21:25:31 -0400
Subject: [wxqc] FW: Wind Question
In-Reply-To: <004b01c7ac8b$1f74fa20$04fea8c0@keith443afa28c>
References: <004b01c7ac8b$1f74fa20$04fea8c0@keith443afa28c>
Message-ID: <466DF60B.3010608@comcast.net>

Hi,

What is your CWOP ID??  Tough to say regarding the wind performance.  
You can watch the local ASOS/AWOS and see how your wind observations 
compare with their's which presumably are siting on an open runway.  
Necessarily, the difference between your anemometer elevation above 
ground level (20 ft) and the desired elevation of 33 ft (10 meters) will 
reduce your winds some, but the real problem for most folks is blockage 
from trees, etc, at and above their anemometer height.

Great that you have made the siting and shielding changes for your 
temp/RH sensors.  We don't encourage people "tweaking" their 
observations for measurements (except for pressure), could be you may a 
correction to a bias that is actual weather for your local climate.  
Russ has a large collection of shielding information at this link:  
http://www.wxqa.com/shields.html

Regards,

Dave
CW0351

Aledo Weather wrote:

>  
>
>  
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> *To:* 'wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net'
> *Subject:* Wind Question
>
>  
>
> I have my anemmeter mounted on a pole 20 feet high and 35 feet from 
> the nearest trees. Is this still too close to avoid the turbulent zone 
> around and at the top of
> these obstructions that will skew your readings?
>
>  
>
> I just recently made some changes in my weather station location, 
> moving it out away from the house and installing the temp/hygrometer 
> sensors in a radiation shield I purchased from Ambient Weather. This 
> made a big difference in the reliability of the reading which I hope 
> to tweak a little better. Getting it out in the open is definitely the 
> way to go. Does anyone have a suggestion on how to do this and still 
> provide them some protection?
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From dshelms at comcast.net  Mon Jun 11 21:39:09 2007
From: dshelms at comcast.net (Dave Helms)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 22:39:09 -0400
Subject: [wxqc] Davis VP2 Pro 6153 (Wireless+Aspirated) Complete Station
 Cost Estimate... A Good Value?
In-Reply-To: <e0e999680706111702s80d220cwa44da3c454bae96a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e00c78c00706111145h3fe9959ere35b84293274c281@mail.gmail.com>	<f1559b000706111204qfe6b5f4g227012a6120d3f9a@mail.gmail.com>	<f1559b000706111644hca2081chc8fc998d998d2c7a@mail.gmail.com>
	<e0e999680706111702s80d220cwa44da3c454bae96a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <466E074D.50805@comcast.net>

Hi,

Saw the discussion of the WMR-968 and thought I would give an idea of 
the cost of the Davis VP2 6153 "complete" system.

1.  Basic system (VP2 6153):  Console, sensors, wireless ISS, aspirated 
temp/hygristor (RH) sensor
http://www.davisnet.com/weather/products/weather_product.asp?pnum=06153
*  Purchased on Ebay  (patiently bid on several auctions for this price)
$485.00+$17.00 shipping

2.  WeatherLink for Vantage Pro or Vantage Pro2 for Windows (USB)
$119.95 from ProVantage.com

3.   Vantage Pro2 Anemometer Transmitter Kit - allows separate siting of 
anemometer from ISS
$112.94 each from ProVantage

Shipping for items 2 and 3 :  $15.25

4.   Betts and Thomas Gable End Antenna (Anemometer Mast) Mount
$35.00 each from Ben's Antenna
Shipping:  $25.00 (express)

5.  PC Computer - New Dell Dimension 521 Desktop with Window Vista and 
18" Flatscreen
$600.00 from Dell

6.  10 ft wood 4"x4" post (treated and painted white) - ISS and 
Temperature, Hygristor (RH), and  Rain (automated tipping) Gauge Siting; 
post trimmed 2 ft, 3 ft in ground and 5 ft above ground
$15.00 from Lowes

7.  1 bag Readi-mix Concrete - for ISS post siting
$7.00 from Lowes

8.  1 1/4" x 10 ft Aluminum Post - for anemometer, mounted in Gable End 
antenna mount
$5.00 from Lowes

9.  UPS Battery Backup (250 amps?) + Surge Protector
$100.00 from Circuit City

Total Cost:  $1,537.14

The biggest pain in the tookus is installing the Gable End antenna 
mount, which was an all-day affair.  Gathering the equipment, hopefully 
at the lowest cost, took about 2 months (what's the rush?).  If you go 
with a Davis VP 2 wireless, unaspirated, model #5153, you will pay about 
$100 than the 6153 model, or around $400 on Ebay plus shipping.  The 
kicker with the Davis is the need for the WeatherLink connector hardware 
which adds another $120 to the cost of the weather station.   Most every 
Personal Weather Station will cost at least $200 for even the most 
inexpensive console/sensors, and then you still need all the other 
accessories (including data logging application = $50-$150), so the 
difference between an Oregon or a Radio Shack system and a Davis VP2 
5153 is about $270 (subtracting the cost of the cheapest data logger 
application), or about a 17% increase in the total cost of a complete 
weather station.   For the 17% additional cost of the "total" station, 
IMHO the Davis system as a very good value as the Davis sensors are very 
competitive with even professional sensors when properly sited.

Understand that Davis is a hardware company that wrote the WeatherLink 
software almost as an after thought (why many switch to Ambient or other 
data logging applications). WeatherLink does much of the time derived 
CWOP parameters (gust, 1 hour and 24 hour precipitation) in memory (and 
not from log files written to the PC from the application) while (and 
only) in "Bulletin" mode (which you need to manually start from within 
the application).  After 3 months, the equipment is operating very well 
so no complaints for Davis.  I have also operated a Peet Bros Ultimeter 
2100 (wired) station which cost and performance is similar to the Davis 
VP2 5153.  The Peet Bros after market support is very good, and I have 
never had to wait for a replacement part with first year warranty 
support done with no issues whatsoever. 


Hope this helps,

Dave
CW0351



>  
>


From amsoiltek at gmail.com  Mon Jun 11 21:40:37 2007
From: amsoiltek at gmail.com (Rory)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 19:40:37 -0700
Subject: [wxqc] Davis VP2 Pro 6153 (Wireless+Aspirated) Complete Station
	Cost Estimate... A Good Value?
In-Reply-To: <466E074D.50805@comcast.net>
References: <e00c78c00706111145h3fe9959ere35b84293274c281@mail.gmail.com>
	<f1559b000706111204qfe6b5f4g227012a6120d3f9a@mail.gmail.com>
	<f1559b000706111644hca2081chc8fc998d998d2c7a@mail.gmail.com>
	<e0e999680706111702s80d220cwa44da3c454bae96a@mail.gmail.com>
	<466E074D.50805@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <e00c78c00706111940hc7690c0x9fdf73a94c6773d8@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Dave, very good intel.

Rory

On 6/11/07, Dave Helms <dshelms at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Saw the discussion of the WMR-968 and thought I would give an idea of
> the cost of the Davis VP2 6153 "complete" system.
>
> 1.  Basic system (VP2 6153):  Console, sensors, wireless ISS, aspirated
> temp/hygristor (RH) sensor
> http://www.davisnet.com/weather/products/weather_product.asp?pnum=06153
> *  Purchased on Ebay  (patiently bid on several auctions for this price)
> $485.00+$17.00 shipping
>
> 2.  WeatherLink for Vantage Pro or Vantage Pro2 for Windows (USB)
> $119.95 from ProVantage.com
>
> 3.   Vantage Pro2 Anemometer Transmitter Kit - allows separate siting of
> anemometer from ISS
> $112.94 each from ProVantage
>
> Shipping for items 2 and 3 :  $15.25
>
> 4.   Betts and Thomas Gable End Antenna (Anemometer Mast) Mount
> $35.00 each from Ben's Antenna
> Shipping:  $25.00 (express)
>
> 5.  PC Computer - New Dell Dimension 521 Desktop with Window Vista and
> 18" Flatscreen
> $600.00 from Dell
>
> 6.  10 ft wood 4"x4" post (treated and painted white) - ISS and
> Temperature, Hygristor (RH), and  Rain (automated tipping) Gauge Siting;
> post trimmed 2 ft, 3 ft in ground and 5 ft above ground
> $15.00 from Lowes
>
> 7.  1 bag Readi-mix Concrete - for ISS post siting
> $7.00 from Lowes
>
> 8.  1 1/4" x 10 ft Aluminum Post - for anemometer, mounted in Gable End
> antenna mount
> $5.00 from Lowes
>
> 9.  UPS Battery Backup (250 amps?) + Surge Protector
> $100.00 from Circuit City
>
> Total Cost:  $1,537.14
>
> The biggest pain in the tookus is installing the Gable End antenna
> mount, which was an all-day affair.  Gathering the equipment, hopefully
> at the lowest cost, took about 2 months (what's the rush?).  If you go
> with a Davis VP 2 wireless, unaspirated, model #5153, you will pay about
> $100 than the 6153 model, or around $400 on Ebay plus shipping.  The
> kicker with the Davis is the need for the WeatherLink connector hardware
> which adds another $120 to the cost of the weather station.   Most every
> Personal Weather Station will cost at least $200 for even the most
> inexpensive console/sensors, and then you still need all the other
> accessories (including data logging application = $50-$150), so the
> difference between an Oregon or a Radio Shack system and a Davis VP2
> 5153 is about $270 (subtracting the cost of the cheapest data logger
> application), or about a 17% increase in the total cost of a complete
> weather station.   For the 17% additional cost of the "total" station,
> IMHO the Davis system as a very good value as the Davis sensors are very
> competitive with even professional sensors when properly sited.
>
> Understand that Davis is a hardware company that wrote the WeatherLink
> software almost as an after thought (why many switch to Ambient or other
> data logging applications). WeatherLink does much of the time derived
> CWOP parameters (gust, 1 hour and 24 hour precipitation) in memory (and
> not from log files written to the PC from the application) while (and
> only) in "Bulletin" mode (which you need to manually start from within
> the application).  After 3 months, the equipment is operating very well
> so no complaints for Davis.  I have also operated a Peet Bros Ultimeter
> 2100 (wired) station which cost and performance is similar to the Davis
> VP2 5153.  The Peet Bros after market support is very good, and I have
> never had to wait for a replacement part with first year warranty
> support done with no issues whatsoever.
>
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Dave
> CW0351
>
>
>
> >
> >
>
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From aledoweather at frontiernet.net  Mon Jun 11 21:44:47 2007
From: aledoweather at frontiernet.net (Aledo Weather)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 21:44:47 -0500
Subject: [wxqc] FW: Wind Question
In-Reply-To: <466DF60B.3010608@comcast.net>
References: <004b01c7ac8b$1f74fa20$04fea8c0@keith443afa28c>
	<466DF60B.3010608@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <000601c7ac9b$a40dbaa0$04fea8c0@keith443afa28c>

Hi Dave,
It's Keith Clark, CW2758. Sorry about that.....
I try and keep a close watch on KMLI (Moline, IL.), KDVN (Davenport, Ia),
KMUT (Muscatine, Ia.), and KGBG Galesburg, Il,) as I'm just about centered
25 Miles from each of them, Its difficult to get all their measurements at
the same time using Wunderground so I try and check them through Noaa.gov,
but there is still from time to time some good variations.

-----Original Message-----
From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net
[mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net] On Behalf Of Dave Helms
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 8:26 PM
To: Discussion of weather data quality issues
Subject: Re: [wxqc] FW: Wind Question

Hi,

What is your CWOP ID??  Tough to say regarding the wind performance.  
You can watch the local ASOS/AWOS and see how your wind observations 
compare with their's which presumably are siting on an open runway.  
Necessarily, the difference between your anemometer elevation above 
ground level (20 ft) and the desired elevation of 33 ft (10 meters) will 
reduce your winds some, but the real problem for most folks is blockage 
from trees, etc, at and above their anemometer height.

Great that you have made the siting and shielding changes for your 
temp/RH sensors.  We don't encourage people "tweaking" their 
observations for measurements (except for pressure), could be you may a 
correction to a bias that is actual weather for your local climate.  
Russ has a large collection of shielding information at this link:  
http://www.wxqa.com/shields.html

Regards,

Dave
CW0351

Aledo Weather wrote:

>  
>
>  
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> *To:* 'wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net'
> *Subject:* Wind Question
>
>  
>
> I have my anemmeter mounted on a pole 20 feet high and 35 feet from 
> the nearest trees. Is this still too close to avoid the turbulent zone 
> around and at the top of
> these obstructions that will skew your readings?
>
>  
>
> I just recently made some changes in my weather station location, 
> moving it out away from the house and installing the temp/hygrometer 
> sensors in a radiation shield I purchased from Ambient Weather. This 
> made a big difference in the reliability of the reading which I hope 
> to tweak a little better. Getting it out in the open is definitely the 
> way to go. Does anyone have a suggestion on how to do this and still 
> provide them some protection?
>
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From aledoweather at frontiernet.net  Mon Jun 11 21:50:44 2007
From: aledoweather at frontiernet.net (Aledo Weather)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 21:50:44 -0500
Subject: [wxqc] Discussion of weather data quality issues
Message-ID: <000701c7ac9c$78c21750$04fea8c0@keith443afa28c>

Hi Dave,

It's Keith Clark, CW2758. Sorry about that.....

I try and keep a close watch on KMLI (Moline, IL.), KDVN (Davenport, Ia),
KMUT (Muscatine, Ia.), and KGBG Galesburg, Il,) as I'm just about centered

25 Miles from each of them, Its difficult to get all their measurements at
the same time using Wunderground so I try and check them through Noaa.gov,
but there is still from time to time some good variations.

 

-----Original Message-----

From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net

[mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net] On Behalf Of Dave Helms

Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 8:26 PM

To: Discussion of weather data quality issues

Subject: Re: [wxqc] FW: Wind Question

 

Hi,

 

What is your CWOP ID??  Tough to say regarding the wind performance.  

You can watch the local ASOS/AWOS and see how your wind observations compare
with their's which presumably are siting on an open runway.  

Necessarily, the difference between your anemometer elevation above ground
level (20 ft) and