From plj635 at gmail.com Tue Jan 2 20:33:57 2007 From: plj635 at gmail.com (PLJ) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 20:33:57 -0600 Subject: [wxqc] Breaks In Data on MADIS QC Page Message-ID: <82ce61db0701021833t252f9b35oe517c91b899ed9ab@mail.gmail.com> Why are there breaks in the MADIS QC page for today, 1/2/07 on my page, CWOP Information for N4FOP (AS255)? My tabular data on Wunderground does not show any breaks in data? Regards, Phillip AS255 N4FOP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://server.gladstonefamily.net/pipermail/wxqc/attachments/20070102/e764aca4/attachment-0001.htm From joh69 at earthlink.net Tue Jan 2 20:38:28 2007 From: joh69 at earthlink.net (Hanford R Wright) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 21:38:28 -0500 Subject: [wxqc] Breaks In Data on MADIS QC Page In-Reply-To: AAAAAGWrVgYu4LVJhF5Y4GEdeZ8kYD4A Message-ID: I have the same break in my data AP520 WA4LZC from aprox 8:00z to aprox 13:00z -----Original Message----- From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net [mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net]On Behalf Of PLJ Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 21:34 To: wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net Subject: [wxqc] Breaks In Data on MADIS QC Page Why are there breaks in the MADIS QC page for today, 1/2/07 on my page, CWOP Information for N4FOP (AS255)? My tabular data on Wunderground does not show any breaks in data? Regards, Phillip AS255 N4FOP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://server.gladstonefamily.net/pipermail/wxqc/attachments/20070102/b6f8d40d/attachment.htm From lwood at mountainbase.com Tue Jan 2 20:50:06 2007 From: lwood at mountainbase.com (Lance) Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 18:50:06 -0800 Subject: [wxqc] Non Existant Emails Message-ID: <459B19DE.6050302@mountainbase.com> Hi All Is it just me or is anyone else having this same problem: I will go several days without any List Emails and then suddenly receive them for several days and then start the process over again. There is no consistency to it, it may be for two or three days or as much as two weeks. This week hasn't been too bad, I only missed the last two days. Thanks Lance CW1020 From dshelms at comcast.net Tue Jan 2 20:51:06 2007 From: dshelms at comcast.net (Dave Helms) Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 21:51:06 -0500 Subject: [wxqc] Breaks In Data on MADIS QC Page In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <459B1A1A.6060903@comcast.net> All: There was a system outage earlier today (JAN 2) which caused MADIS not to receive data from 10-14 UTC, thus MADIS QCMS QC info was not available to Philip's statistics package. See here: http://www.wxqa.com/checkservers.html http://www.met.utah.edu/mesowest/monitor/APRSWXNET.gif The system is functioning well at this time. Dave CW0351 Hanford R Wright wrote: > I have the same break in my data AP520 WA4LZC from aprox 8:00z to > aprox 13:00z > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net > [mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net]*On Behalf Of *PLJ > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 02, 2007 21:34 > *To:* wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net > *Subject:* [wxqc] Breaks In Data on MADIS QC Page > > Why are there breaks in the MADIS QC page for today, 1/2/07 on my > page, > CWOP Information for N4FOP (AS255)? > > My tabular data on Wunderground does not show any breaks in data? > > Regards, > > Phillip > AS255 N4FOP > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >wxqc mailing list >Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net >To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: >http://server.gladstonefamily.net/mailman/listinfo/wxqc > >The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. > From htthames at bellsouth.net Wed Jan 3 22:03:40 2007 From: htthames at bellsouth.net (htthames at bellsouth.net) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 22:03:40 -0600 Subject: [wxqc] CW3802 Data Message-ID: <20070104040340.SHWW20444.ibm62aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Notice of Station CW3802: I have shut my station down because of incorrect data (temperatures only) until repairs can be made. I have to send the unit back to Davis Instruments for analysis / repair / replacement of the temp sensor. The time normally associated with the return - repair - send back - back in service is estimated at between 3 and 4 weeks. Harry T. Thames Gulfport, MS Station CW3802 From DeerTrail131 at aol.com Thu Jan 4 09:32:24 2007 From: DeerTrail131 at aol.com (DeerTrail131 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 10:32:24 EST Subject: [wxqc] CWO899 Message-ID: Over the last three months, there have been several server failures that have resulted in the loss of data forwarded to findU. All users are encouraged to switch to feeding data through rotate.aprs.net to avoid future outages. Last report from Deer Trail Schools received 4 minutes 48 seconds ago Wind from 142 degrees @ 3.0 MPH Gusts to 6.0 MPH Temp 27F Humidity 81% Dewpoint 21F Russ: This does not apply to CWO899 in Deer Trail School? The Deer Trail School opened up yesterday January 3rd, 2007. I will try to keep a 24/7 monitor with the WX Station. Hopefully with 16 days and counting, it will stay on line? _http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/wxpage.cgi?call=CW0899!Deer%20Trail%20Schools&last=24_ (http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/wxpage.cgi?call=CW0899!Deer%20Trail%20Schools&last=24) _ Ron Schaffer wd?bdq P. O. Box 131 Deer Trail, Colorado. 80105 Deertrail131 at aol.com _ (mailto:Deertrail131 at aol.com) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://server.gladstonefamily.net/pipermail/wxqc/attachments/20070104/84792b2b/attachment.htm From steve at dimse.com Thu Jan 4 10:18:04 2007 From: steve at dimse.com (Steve Dimse) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 11:18:04 -0500 Subject: [wxqc] CWO899 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3E18B935-4F24-481E-8785-240A3D51149E@dimse.com> On Jan 4, 2007, at 10:32 AM, DeerTrail131 at aol.com wrote: > Over the last three months, there have been several server failures > that have resulted in the loss of data forwarded to findU. > All users are encouraged to switch to feeding data through > rotate.aprs.net to avoid future outages. > Last report from Deer Trail Schools received 4 minutes 48 seconds ago > Wind from 142 degrees @ 3.0 MPH Gusts to 6.0 MPH Temp 27F > Humidity 81% Dewpoint 21F > Russ: > > This does not apply to CWO899 in Deer Trail School? The Deer Trail > School opened up yesterday January 3rd, 2007. I will try to keep a > 24/7 monitor with the WX Station. > Hopefully with 16 days and counting, it will stay on line? It applies to everyone not using APRS Internet System core servers directly to forward their data. If you look at your data closely at the 96 hour time frame: http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/wxpage.cgi?call=CW0899!Deer%20Trail% 20Schools&last=96 you will see a five or six hour gap in your data on January 2 (visible on the wind data, the line graphs connect dots that are less than 40 pixels wide), that does not appear in mine: http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/wxpage.cgi?call=k4hg&last=96 This is the third failure in a few months of the server that most CW users are using to forward their data. I am recommending everyone switch to using rotate.aprs.net on port 23 to increase reliability. Steve K4HG From dick at kb7zva.com Thu Jan 4 13:04:38 2007 From: dick at kb7zva.com (dick at kb7zva.com) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 12:04:38 -0700 Subject: [wxqc] CWO899 Message-ID: <20070104190438.5B149EE79B@ws6-1.us4.outblaze.com> > This is the third failure in a few months of the server that most CW > users are using to forward their data. I am recommending everyone > switch to using rotate.aprs.net on port 23 to increase reliability. > > Steve K4HG Steve, The last failure was FIRST.APRS.NET. 3 of the 4 Tier 2 WX servers were connected to it when it failed. What happened after that was as expected. SECOND and THIRD got busy and wouldn't accept too many more connects upon losing FIRST. I have the data if you are interested. Please get your facts straight. I have since talked to Gerry at FIRST. When I realized what happened I manually connected to the Tier 2 core units... I instantly got 2400 stations the first hour. The issue with rotate.aprs.net was well covered by Dave and I in previous posts. Until end-users make adjustments to their PC's it is likely that their DNS cache won't work properly. The same applies to rotatewx.aprs2.net. Switching to the main core port 23's would be like driving the wrong way on a one-way street. They will get clobbered with traffic they don't need. Your port 23's are bi-directional, when a user connects he is getting hit with the rath of the APRS-IS. Resources are wasted, and the main core servers become stressed. Not to mention the end-users using dial-up or marginal cable connects... The timing routines on most software used to send data to the servers does not take into account unexpected loading from your servers. They are designed to connect, log-on, send data, and terminate. To do that it's best to use ports that only accept data from users. Echo or no-echo ports are bi-directional, users have little choice. Those are not the best ports of choice. It's like trying to take a drink of water from a 4 inch fire-hose at full blast. The WX servers use special ports designed around WX end-users software. Any failure's at level 1 or level 2 have an effect on findU. Especially true if data is being mined only at level 1 servers, whereas level 2 had trouble connecting to level 1 during this last failure event. Everything expected to be sent to the main core servers didn't happen. A few lessons learned here. 1) Our WX servers are better off not using the main core servers directly. 2) findU should connect to the 4 Tier 2 core units, if possible. 3) End-users should use lower-level servers and not the main core hub servers, until we figure out why the main core servers appear to only accept limited connects. It is not a bandwidth issue. Dick, KB7ZVA APRSWest - Tier 2 network From steve at dimse.com Thu Jan 4 13:13:18 2007 From: steve at dimse.com (Steve Dimse) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 14:13:18 -0500 Subject: [wxqc] CWO899 In-Reply-To: <20070104190438.5B149EE79B@ws6-1.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070104190438.5B149EE79B@ws6-1.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: On Jan 4, 2007, at 2:04 PM, dick at kb7zva.com wrote: > >> This is the third failure in a few months of the server that most CW >> users are using to forward their data. I am recommending everyone >> switch to using rotate.aprs.net on port 23 to increase reliability. >> >> Steve K4HG > > Steve, > > The last failure was FIRST.APRS.NET. This part is true, to the extent that first did have a failure, however the other servers were running fine. > 3 of the 4 Tier 2 WX servers were > connected to it when it failed. What happened after that was as > expected. > SECOND and THIRD got busy and wouldn't accept too many more connects > upon losing FIRST. That is an absolute lie. Second and third never got too busy to reject connections, third has NEVER reached its loaqd limit, we have the log files to prove it. I am sick of you blaming the core for the inadequacies of your servers. If you want to prove me wrong, the answer is easy. Simply stop your propaganda against the core. If you are even remotely correct, in a week the core will die a nasty, undeniable death. Steve K4HG From paulgrace at lookoutranch.com Thu Jan 4 13:30:30 2007 From: paulgrace at lookoutranch.com (Paul Grace) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 11:30:30 -0800 Subject: [wxqc] CWO899 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <01a901c73036$cba6ec30$0200a8c0@dell1500> I'm sorry, but I'm not following this "discussion". What is the WX public to do, if anything, besides being slightly embarassed by the bickering? -----Original Message----- From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net [mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net] On Behalf Of Steve Dimse Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 11:13 To: Discussion of weather data quality issues Subject: Re: [wxqc] CWO899 On Jan 4, 2007, at 2:04 PM, dick at kb7zva.com wrote: > >> This is the third failure in a few months of the server that most CW >> users are using to forward their data. I am recommending everyone >> switch to using rotate.aprs.net on port 23 to increase reliability. >> >> Steve K4HG > > Steve, > > The last failure was FIRST.APRS.NET. This part is true, to the extent that first did have a failure, however the other servers were running fine. > 3 of the 4 Tier 2 WX servers were > connected to it when it failed. What happened after that was as > expected. > SECOND and THIRD got busy and wouldn't accept too many more connects > upon losing FIRST. That is an absolute lie. Second and third never got too busy to reject connections, third has NEVER reached its loaqd limit, we have the log files to prove it. I am sick of you blaming the core for the inadequacies of your servers. If you want to prove me wrong, the answer is easy. Simply stop your propaganda against the core. If you are even remotely correct, in a week the core will die a nasty, undeniable death. Steve K4HG _______________________________________________ wxqc mailing list Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: http://server.gladstonefamily.net/mailman/listinfo/wxqc The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. From Evan.Bookbinder at noaa.gov Thu Jan 4 13:38:45 2007 From: Evan.Bookbinder at noaa.gov (Evan Bookbinder) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 13:38:45 -0600 Subject: [wxqc] CWO899 References: <01a901c73036$cba6ec30$0200a8c0@dell1500> Message-ID: <006001c73037$f3452d00$6501a8c0@HPLAPTOP> Paul, It is recommended that you switch your APRS server to rotate.aprs.net, port 23 if you haven't done so already. I haven't had a single gap in my data in months. I'm hoping Dick will take his bickering off list or I will request that he be removed. There's nothing constructive coming from it until there is mutual partnership to work as a team and figure out a way to remedy the recurring server problems. It is indeed an embrassment for not only himself, but for the hundreds of us who have to read it, and the ham community. Respectfully, Evan Bookbinder NWS Kansas City/Pleasant Hill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Grace" To: "'Discussion of weather data quality issues'" Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 1:30 PM Subject: Re: [wxqc] CWO899 > I'm sorry, but I'm not following this "discussion". > > What is the WX public to do, if anything, besides being slightly > embarassed > by the bickering? > > -----Original Message----- > From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net > [mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net] On Behalf Of Steve Dimse > Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 11:13 > To: Discussion of weather data quality issues > Subject: Re: [wxqc] CWO899 > > > On Jan 4, 2007, at 2:04 PM, dick at kb7zva.com wrote: > >> >>> This is the third failure in a few months of the server that most CW >>> users are using to forward their data. I am recommending everyone >>> switch to using rotate.aprs.net on port 23 to increase reliability. >>> >>> Steve K4HG >> >> Steve, >> >> The last failure was FIRST.APRS.NET. > > This part is true, to the extent that first did have a failure, however > the > other servers were running fine. > >> 3 of the 4 Tier 2 WX servers were >> connected to it when it failed. What happened after that was as >> expected. >> SECOND and THIRD got busy and wouldn't accept too many more connects >> upon losing FIRST. > > That is an absolute lie. Second and third never got too busy to reject > connections, third has NEVER reached its loaqd limit, we have the log > files > to prove it. I am sick of you blaming the core for the inadequacies of > your > servers. > > If you want to prove me wrong, the answer is easy. Simply stop your > propaganda against the core. If you are even remotely correct, in a week > the > core will die a nasty, undeniable death. > > Steve K4HG > > _______________________________________________ > wxqc mailing list > Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net To unsubcribe or change > delivery options, please go to: > http://server.gladstonefamily.net/mailman/listinfo/wxqc > > The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. > > _______________________________________________ > wxqc mailing list > Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net > To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: > http://server.gladstonefamily.net/mailman/listinfo/wxqc > > The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. > From steve at softwx.com Thu Jan 4 15:12:28 2007 From: steve at softwx.com (steve at softwx.com) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 15:12:28 -0600 (CST) Subject: [wxqc] CWO899 In-Reply-To: <006001c73037$f3452d00$6501a8c0@HPLAPTOP> References: <01a901c73036$cba6ec30$0200a8c0@dell1500> <006001c73037$f3452d00$6501a8c0@HPLAPTOP> Message-ID: <22060.63.227.129.190.1167945148.squirrel@www.softwx.com> As a CWOP member, I appreciate the effort of the folks running the core and tier 2 servers. They have made a system that allows the owners of automated personal weather stations to get our data to MADIS with little thought of the inner workings of this system. It's great. But we are only interested in one thing; that our data reliably gets to where it's going. Many of the CWOP members have weather computers that ideally run 24x7 with little or no human intervention. So, however it is that makes that happen, that seems good to me. After several instances of finding gaps in my CWOP data, I decided to try the core servers as Steve suggested. I've had more reliable submissions since then, even during the latest dropout that affected the bulk of the CWOP stations. I'm hard pressed to find a reason not to make that an option or even the default for weather programs sending CWOP data. We'd really prefer it just worked, so we could concentrate on making sure our data quality is good. What I've learned, and will likely incorporate into the program I use for CWOP submissions is: * submitting to rotate.aprs.net is currently a reliable option * unless the weather program takes it on itself to change the user's DNS cache setting in windows (not a good idea in my mind) it would be better for the program to do its own rotation through the various tier 2 servers from a reliability standpoint rather than use rotatewx.aprs2.net. * submitting only to a single server whether core or tier two is just asking for problems From plj635 at gmail.com Thu Jan 4 15:34:35 2007 From: plj635 at gmail.com (PLJ) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 15:34:35 -0600 Subject: [wxqc] CWO899 In-Reply-To: <22060.63.227.129.190.1167945148.squirrel@www.softwx.com> References: <01a901c73036$cba6ec30$0200a8c0@dell1500> <006001c73037$f3452d00$6501a8c0@HPLAPTOP> <22060.63.227.129.190.1167945148.squirrel@www.softwx.com> Message-ID: <82ce61db0701041334t6740b0c5wb1cf6331dd61d68b@mail.gmail.com> This might be a good time to ask this question for the benefit of those such as myself that are not well versed in the technological nuances of the workings of MADIS. How does MADIS work? What stations are used for comparison in analysis? Phillip N4FOP AS255 Central AL, St. Clair County On 1/4/07, steve at softwx.com wrote: > > As a CWOP member, I appreciate the effort of the folks running the core > and tier 2 servers. They have made a system that allows the owners of > automated personal weather stations to get our data to MADIS with little > thought of the inner workings of this system. It's great. > > But we are only interested in one thing; that our data reliably gets to > where it's going. Many of the CWOP members have weather computers that > ideally run 24x7 with little or no human intervention. So, however it is > that makes that happen, that seems good to me. After several instances of > finding gaps in my CWOP data, I decided to try the core servers as Steve > suggested. I've had more reliable submissions since then, even during the > latest dropout that affected the bulk of the CWOP stations. I'm hard > pressed to find a reason not to make that an option or even the default > for weather programs sending CWOP data. > > We'd really prefer it just worked, so we could concentrate on making sure > our data quality is good. > > What I've learned, and will likely incorporate into the program I use for > CWOP submissions is: > * submitting to rotate.aprs.net is currently a reliable option > * unless the weather program takes it on itself to change the user's DNS > cache setting in windows (not a good idea in my mind) it would be better > for the program to do its own rotation through the various tier 2 servers > from a reliability standpoint rather than use rotatewx.aprs2.net. > * submitting only to a single server whether core or tier two is just > asking for problems > _______________________________________________ > wxqc mailing list > Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net > To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: > http://server.gladstonefamily.net/mailman/listinfo/wxqc > > The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://server.gladstonefamily.net/pipermail/wxqc/attachments/20070104/486be924/attachment.htm From dick at kb7zva.com Thu Jan 4 15:53:36 2007 From: dick at kb7zva.com (dick at kb7zva.com) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 14:53:36 -0700 Subject: [wxqc] Servers Message-ID: <20070104215336.38A6B4FF0B@ws6-5.us4.outblaze.com> List Members, I apologize for what Steve assumed to be a personal attack. I will remove myself from this list as requested. I did violate list rules I suppose, Steve just always has the last word . I don't mind, because I'm used to him on the other lists. The alliance between our server groups isn't going to fly, again . FIRST aprs.net failed again today. I have a simple question. The Main Core servers represent less than 300 WX entry points to the APRS-IS... that being said, that's .08% of the total WX users that rely on getting their data somewhere. The question is why 99.92% don't use the Main Core servers? See for yourself: http://www.wxqa.com/checkservers.html rotate.aprs.net isn't the answer and if that works for less than .08% why should it be a solution? If I point out that some of the failures are the result of Main Core servers, that shouldn't embarrass you or anyone. It works for a few... telling everyone else to change makes no sense based on your own personal experience. If it works for you great... don't assume it will work for everyone. The infrastructure doesn't currently exist at level 1. It wasn't planned. My next door neighbor 2 years ago was raving about his new cable connect to the internet. It was fast and furious. He boasted about it to everyone on the street, even gave demo's. His show and tell was something he regrets today. As more and more people jumped on the neighborhood cable bandwagon, his fast and furious service diminished. Now that would be something to be embarrassed about... like shooting yourself in the foot. I joined this list to try and form an alliance with certain nay-sayers. Frankly, it's not going to work . Some of you will continue to use what works, some will be swayed into the .08% category by trying what Steve suggests. Sorry, re-inventing the wheel isn't my goal. My goal will be much more productive with the other 99.92% of WX users. Finger pointing and the politics were already here, before I joined a few days ago, at someone else's request. For those who emailed me privately, thanks for your continued support. Dick, KB7ZVA APRSWest - Tier 2 Network From cflory at comcast.net Thu Jan 4 19:40:19 2007 From: cflory at comcast.net (Chris Flory) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 19:40:19 -0600 Subject: [wxqc] CWO899 In-Reply-To: <82ce61db0701041334t6740b0c5wb1cf6331dd61d68b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <023501c7306a$754bd880$4564a8c0@chris> Here's a PDF describing MADIS: http://www-sdd.fsl.noaa.gov/MADIS_Overview/MADIS_NewFinal_NP_8_20_04.pdf _____ From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net [mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net] On Behalf Of PLJ Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 3:35 PM To: Discussion of weather data quality issues Subject: Re: [wxqc] CWO899 This might be a good time to ask this question for the benefit of those such as myself that are not well versed in the technological nuances of the workings of MADIS. How does MADIS work? What stations are used for comparison in analysis? Phillip N4FOP AS255 Central AL, St. Clair County On 1/4/07, steve at softwx.com < steve at softwx.com > wrote: As a CWOP member, I appreciate the effort of the folks running the core and tier 2 servers. They have made a system that allows the owners of automated personal weather stations to get our data to MADIS with little thought of the inner workings of this system. It's great. But we are only interested in one thing; that our data reliably gets to where it's going. Many of the CWOP members have weather computers that ideally run 24x7 with little or no human intervention. So, however it is that makes that happen, that seems good to me. After several instances of finding gaps in my CWOP data, I decided to try the core servers as Steve suggested. I've had more reliable submissions since then, even during the latest dropout that affected the bulk of the CWOP stations. I'm hard pressed to find a reason not to make that an option or even the default for weather programs sending CWOP data. We'd really prefer it just worked, so we could concentrate on making sure our data quality is good. What I've learned, and will likely incorporate into the program I use for CWOP submissions is: * submitting to rotate.aprs.net is currently a reliable option * unless the weather program takes it on itself to change the user's DNS cache setting in windows (not a good idea in my mind) it would be better for the program to do its own rotation through the various tier 2 servers from a reliability standpoint rather than use rotatewx.aprs2.net. * submitting only to a single server whether core or tier two is just asking for problems _______________________________________________ wxqc mailing list Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: http://server.gladstonefamily.net/mailman/listinfo/wxqc The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://server.gladstonefamily.net/pipermail/wxqc/attachments/20070104/98f92b6c/attachment-0001.htm From weatherok at pldi.net Fri Jan 5 18:39:55 2007 From: weatherok at pldi.net (weatherok at pldi.net) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 18:39:55 -0600 (CST) Subject: [wxqc] KCLK: Temperature about 5 degrees too low Message-ID: <1553.207.102.121.20.1168043995.squirrel@207.102.121.20> Hi friends from the NWS Please check the temperature at Clinton OK, I think it's about 5 degrees too low for quite a bit of time. Thanks, Joerg www.weather.us From weatherok at pldi.net Sat Jan 6 00:08:13 2007 From: weatherok at pldi.net (weatherok at pldi.net) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 00:08:13 -0600 (CST) Subject: [wxqc] Non Existant Emails In-Reply-To: <459B19DE.6050302@mountainbase.com> References: <459B19DE.6050302@mountainbase.com> Message-ID: <1826.207.102.121.20.1168063693.squirrel@207.102.121.20> Hi, same with me, it's a mail provider problem, mainly squirrel mail behaves like that. regards jk CW5654 www.weather.us > Hi All > > Is it just me or is anyone else having this same problem: I will go > several days without any List Emails and then suddenly receive them for > several days and then start the process over again. There is no > consistency to it, it may be for two or three days or as much as two > weeks. This week hasn't been too bad, I only missed the last two days. > > Thanks > > Lance > CW1020 > _______________________________________________ > wxqc mailing list > Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net > To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: > http://server.gladstonefamily.net/mailman/listinfo/wxqc > > The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. > From dshelms at comcast.net Sat Jan 6 01:42:25 2007 From: dshelms at comcast.net (Dave Helms) Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 02:42:25 -0500 Subject: [wxqc] Peet Temp Sensor Failure Message-ID: <459F52E1.60209@comcast.net> I don't know if anyone has seen this before, but my Peet Bros Ultimeter 2100 (wired) temp/RH sensor has started to "short out" during very high humidity events (we had huge warm air advection and precip event today in Maryland, everything was dripping wet even if under a covered area (my parking garage)). See here: http://weather.gladstonefamily.net/site/C0351 http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/wxpage.cgi?call=cw0351&radar=***&last=72 Note the temp/RH crash the moment the rain started. I have had this temp/RH board for about 3 years, previously swapped with Peet when it failed. You just have to take apart the passively aspirated Gill (bee hive) shield, pry the plastic enclosure open, and extract the board to be sent to Peet (they have excellent post-warranty support, if a bit pricey). I'll call Peet next week and get an RMA. Anyone had similar problems with the Peet? Its a good thing I am forced to take apart the shield as the winter slim was starting to grow on the white plastic (a factor for the reflecting ability of the shield). Semi-annual cleaning is a good thing. Peet is a nice company, and I can't complain much about the overall performance of my 5 year old station. Dave CW0351 -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Weather Quality Subject: Weather data quality report for C0351 on 2007-01-05 Date: 6 Jan 2007 02:29:25 -0000 Size: 6114 Url: http://server.gladstonefamily.net/pipermail/wxqc/attachments/20070106/6918b6d8/attachment.eml From tim5719 at chartermi.net Sat Jan 6 04:12:23 2007 From: tim5719 at chartermi.net (Tim Crummel) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 05:12:23 -0500 Subject: [wxqc] Peet Temp Sensor Failure In-Reply-To: <459F52E1.60209@comcast.net> Message-ID: <002601c7317b$28ee1ae0$6500a8c0@delld3000n> I had mine act up once but that was because I extended the wire and moister got into the coupler. So if you have extended your cables, check this first. Peet has always had great support and highly recommend there products. I also think the accuracy of their stations are as good if not better then some of the competitions and more reliable then the wireless stations. Have you tried thier new anemometer? The only station that beets its sensitivity is the old heathkit stations. Highly recommend you order one. Tim CW0241 -----Original Message----- From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net [mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net] On Behalf Of Dave Helms Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 2:42 AM To: wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net Subject: [wxqc] Peet Temp Sensor Failure I don't know if anyone has seen this before, but my Peet Bros Ultimeter 2100 (wired) temp/RH sensor has started to "short out" during very high humidity events (we had huge warm air advection and precip event today in Maryland, everything was dripping wet even if under a covered area (my parking garage)). See here: http://weather.gladstonefamily.net/site/C0351 http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/wxpage.cgi?call=cw0351&radar=***&last=72 Note the temp/RH crash the moment the rain started. I have had this temp/RH board for about 3 years, previously swapped with Peet when it failed. You just have to take apart the passively aspirated Gill (bee hive) shield, pry the plastic enclosure open, and extract the board to be sent to Peet (they have excellent post-warranty support, if a bit pricey). I'll call Peet next week and get an RMA. Anyone had similar problems with the Peet? Its a good thing I am forced to take apart the shield as the winter slim was starting to grow on the white plastic (a factor for the reflecting ability of the shield). Semi-annual cleaning is a good thing. Peet is a nice company, and I can't complain much about the overall performance of my 5 year old station. Dave CW0351 From dshelms at comcast.net Sat Jan 6 08:27:36 2007 From: dshelms at comcast.net (Dave Helms) Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 09:27:36 -0500 Subject: [wxqc] Peet Temp Sensor Failure and Peet Anemometer Discussion In-Reply-To: <002601c7317b$28ee1ae0$6500a8c0@delld3000n> References: <002601c7317b$28ee1ae0$6500a8c0@delld3000n> Message-ID: <459FB1D8.1040207@comcast.net> Hi Tim, I have not extended the wire, so that is probably not a problem. I like that the Peet allow for board level calibration of the humidity sensor (procedure posted in the archives) which I don't think any other station allows. I have the original anemometer, and have given Peet feedback on the tail size/length which is undersized and causing very high variability of wind direction (that does not appear to be realistic to me). The original tail is about 6 " while the upgrated tail is 12.9", which should clean up the wind direction variability. My anemometer is at 40 ft AGL in an attempt to get it above the canopy (still not high enough). Anyway, it is clear that when the wind increases from clam to 5-10 mph, there internal drag which slows or misses wind speed observation due to this drag spin-up issue. The "Pro" anemometer cups also appear to be about twice as large as the original, so hopefully this will increase the force on the cups enough to improve the spin-up error on the low end of speed. I'll consider upgrading the anemometer after the temp/RH sensor is squared away. Its a bit of a circus act to get up on my roof and service the anemometer tripod mast, aways a challenge to keep the 20 ft mast vertical while securing the tripod clamps! Interesting, the Pro anemometer claims to be accurate to 160 mph, I wonder if my roof would still be attached? Hopefully I won't have to test that capability for the roof or anemometer. Thanks for the tip! Dave CW0351 http://weather.gladstonefamily.net/site/C0351 Peet Pro Anemometer PDF: http://www.peetbros.com/PROAWVFLYER.pdf Tim Crummel wrote: >I had mine act up once but that was because I extended the wire and moister >got into the coupler. So if you have extended your cables, check this first. >Peet has always had great support and highly recommend there products. I >also think the accuracy of their stations are as good if not better then >some of the competitions and more reliable then the wireless stations. Have >you tried thier new anemometer? The only station that beets its sensitivity >is the old heathkit stations. Highly recommend you order one. >Tim >CW0241 > >-----Original Message----- >From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net >[mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net] On Behalf Of Dave Helms >Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 2:42 AM >To: wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net >Subject: [wxqc] Peet Temp Sensor Failure > >I don't know if anyone has seen this before, but my Peet Bros Ultimeter >2100 (wired) temp/RH sensor has started to "short out" during very high >humidity events (we had huge warm air advection and precip event today >in Maryland, everything was dripping wet even if under a covered area >(my parking garage)). > >See here: >http://weather.gladstonefamily.net/site/C0351 >http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/wxpage.cgi?call=cw0351&radar=***&last=72 >Note the temp/RH crash the moment the rain started. > >I have had this temp/RH board for about 3 years, previously swapped with >Peet when it failed. You just have to take apart the passively >aspirated Gill (bee hive) shield, pry the plastic enclosure open, and >extract the board to be sent to Peet (they have excellent post-warranty >support, if a bit pricey). I'll call Peet next week and get an RMA. > >Anyone had similar problems with the Peet? Its a good thing I am forced >to take apart the shield as the winter slim was starting to grow on the >white plastic (a factor for the reflecting ability of the shield). >Semi-annual cleaning is a good thing. > >Peet is a nice company, and I can't complain much about the overall >performance of my 5 year old station. > >Dave >CW0351 > >_______________________________________________ >wxqc mailing list >Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net >To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: >http://server.gladstonefamily.net/mailman/listinfo/wxqc > >The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. > > > > From Russell.B.Chadwick at noaa.gov Sat Jan 6 17:15:29 2007 From: Russell.B.Chadwick at noaa.gov (Russell.B.Chadwick at noaa.gov) Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 23:15:29 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [wxqc] CWOP server status Message-ID: <2cf0612c8cfd.2c8cfd2cf061@noaa.gov> As of a few hours ago, the Tier 2 operators abruptly withdrew support for CWOP traffic through their servers. We're sorry for any inconvenience this causes CWOP members, but you will have to change the server designation in your local software. More details at http://www.wxqa.com/news.html Russ From DeerTrail131 at aol.com Sat Jan 6 17:43:56 2007 From: DeerTrail131 at aol.com (DeerTrail131 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 18:43:56 EST Subject: [wxqc] No Data Message-ID: Warning: No data received for more than 30 minutes. Please be certain your weather client is connected to the core servers before asking for assistance. To do this, change your upload server to "rotate.aprs.net" on port 14580. Information on how to do this is in item 1 on _this page_ (http://www.wxqa.com/activecwd.html) . CWOP CW Packet Checking _http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/wxpage.cgi?call=CW0899!Deer%20Trail%20Schools&la st=24_ (http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/wxpage.cgi?call=CW0899!Deer%20Trail%20Schools&last=24) Hello Russ? Ron Schaffer wd?bdq P. O. 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Just follow the instructions in the error message, and your data will go back into the system. - Rich From unkajim at comcast.net Sat Jan 6 18:32:37 2007 From: unkajim at comcast.net (Jim Pace) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 16:32:37 -0800 Subject: [wxqc] [personal] CWOP server status References: <2cf0612c8cfd.2c8cfd2cf061@noaa.gov> Message-ID: <001b01c731f3$5788de30$6800a8c0@jim913fn14t9kh> Given the tone of this email, it appears that this was a purposeful pulling of the plug. But is it just possible that it wasn't intentional and something else bad has happened. After all, newengland continues to receive our data. I rather enjoyed the back and forth of the recent posts regarding the servers although I didn't understand much of it. I sure would hate to think they would be that spiteful. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Russell.B.Chadwick at noaa.gov To: wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 3:15 PM Subject: [personal] [wxqc] CWOP server status As of a few hours ago, the Tier 2 operators abruptly withdrew support for CWOP traffic through their servers. We're sorry for any inconvenience this causes CWOP members, but you will have to change the server designation in your local software. More details at http://www.wxqa.com/news.html Russ _______________________________________________ wxqc mailing list Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: http://server.gladstonefamily.net/mailman/listinfo/wxqc The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 7603 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://server.gladstonefamily.net/pipermail/wxqc/attachments/20070106/6f43b59b/attachment.jpeg From JohnHCate at comcast.net Sat Jan 6 18:56:09 2007 From: JohnHCate at comcast.net (JohnHCate) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 17:56:09 -0700 Subject: [wxqc] CWOP server status In-Reply-To: <2cf0612c8cfd.2c8cfd2cf061@noaa.gov> Message-ID: <000c01c731f6$a206f7f0$6401a8c0@johnvzbtlj2rs4> I just checked my data on the Tier 2 arizona.arps2.net server and it as there - last was 07 at 0053z just a couple f minutes ago - John Cate WB7TJI -----Original Message----- From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net [mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net] On Behalf Of Russell.B.Chadwick at noaa.gov Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 4:15 PM To: wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net Subject: [wxqc] CWOP server status As of a few hours ago, the Tier 2 operators abruptly withdrew support for CWOP traffic through their servers. We're sorry for any inconvenience this causes CWOP members, but you will have to change the server designation in your local software. More details at http://www.wxqa.com/news.html Russ _______________________________________________ wxqc mailing list Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: http://server.gladstonefamily.net/mailman/listinfo/wxqc The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. From Evan.Bookbinder at noaa.gov Sat Jan 6 18:58:32 2007 From: Evan.Bookbinder at noaa.gov (Evan Bookbinder) Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 18:58:32 -0600 Subject: [wxqc] CWOP server status In-Reply-To: <000c01c731f6$a206f7f0$6401a8c0@johnvzbtlj2rs4> Message-ID: <002101c731f6$f4b113f0$6601a8c0@stormalerthp> John, It is possible (given your ham ID) that you're considered an APRS pass vs. a CWOP pass. Not sure what your ID is, but I'm guessing since you have a ham call in your signature. Evan -----Original Message----- From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net [mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net] On Behalf Of JohnHCate Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 6:56 PM To: 'Discussion of weather data quality issues' Subject: Re: [wxqc] CWOP server status I just checked my data on the Tier 2 arizona.arps2.net server and it as there - last was 07 at 0053z just a couple f minutes ago - John Cate WB7TJI -----Original Message----- From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net [mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net] On Behalf Of Russell.B.Chadwick at noaa.gov Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 4:15 PM To: wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net Subject: [wxqc] CWOP server status As of a few hours ago, the Tier 2 operators abruptly withdrew support for CWOP traffic through their servers. We're sorry for any inconvenience this causes CWOP members, but you will have to change the server designation in your local software. More details at http://www.wxqa.com/news.html Russ _______________________________________________ wxqc mailing list Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: http://server.gladstonefamily.net/mailman/listinfo/wxqc The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. _______________________________________________ wxqc mailing list Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: http://server.gladstonefamily.net/mailman/listinfo/wxqc The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. From steve at dimse.com Sat Jan 6 19:06:49 2007 From: steve at dimse.com (Steve Dimse) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 20:06:49 -0500 Subject: [wxqc] CWOP server status In-Reply-To: <002101c731f6$f4b113f0$6601a8c0@stormalerthp> References: <002101c731f6$f4b113f0$6601a8c0@stormalerthp> Message-ID: <685AB9A7-B703-4F7E-BD9A-E1909CD2DF04@dimse.com> On Jan 6, 2007, at 7:58 PM, Evan Bookbinder wrote: > It is possible (given your ham ID) that you're considered an APRS > pass vs. a > CWOP pass. Not sure what your ID is, but I'm guessing since you > have a ham > call in your signature. > > Evan > > -----Original Message----- > From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net > [mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net] On Behalf Of JohnHCate > Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 6:56 PM > To: 'Discussion of weather data quality issues' > Subject: Re: [wxqc] CWOP server status > > I just checked my data on the Tier 2 arizona.arps2.net server and > it as > there - last was 07 at 0053z just a couple f minutes ago - > There were two programs running on the four tier two servers that courted CWOP data. The port 23 programs were used for CWOP data, these have been turned off on three of the four machines. Whether the fourth will follow that lead remains to be seen. None of those servers turned off their APRS users on other ports, just the CWOP users on port 23. The core servers absorbed a third of the CWOP users immediately without any strain and are fully able to to handle the full load as CWOP users change their configuration to feed directly to the core. Steve K4HG From dsmweather at mchsi.com Sat Jan 6 19:11:32 2007 From: dsmweather at mchsi.com (dsmweather) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 19:11:32 -0600 Subject: [wxqc] wxqc Digest, Vol 27, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c731f8$c59ba1f0$3410d80c@S0028183503> I have gone to the recommended rotate.aprs.net : port 14580. I have no luck getting my data through on that port. I have seen elsewhere the port should be 23. anyone clairify that? Either way, no data seems to get through cw0005 -----Original Message----- From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net [mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net] On Behalf Of wxqc-request at lists.gladstonefamily.net Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 04:48 PM To: wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net Subject: wxqc Digest, Vol 27, Issue 5 Send wxqc mailing list submissions to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://server.gladstonefamily.net/mailman/listinfo/wxqc or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to wxqc-request at lists.gladstonefamily.net You can reach the person managing the list at wxqc-owner at lists.gladstonefamily.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of wxqc digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: No Data (Rich Mulvey) 2. Re: [personal] CWOP server status (Jim Pace) 3. Re: CWOP server status (JohnHCate) 4. Re: CWOP server status (Evan Bookbinder) 5. Re: CWOP server status (Steve Dimse) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 19:32:14 -0500 From: Rich Mulvey Subject: Re: [wxqc] No Data To: Discussion of weather data quality issues Message-ID: <45A03F8E.9090106 at mulveyfamily.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed DeerTrail131 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > Warning: No data received for more than 30 minutes. > Please be certain your weather client is connected to the core servers > before asking for assistance. > To do this, change your upload server to "rotate.aprs.net" on port 14580. > Information on how to do this is in item 1 on this page > . > > > CWOP CW Packet Checking > > > > > http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/wxpage.cgi?call=CW0899!Deer%20Trail%20Schools&l ast=24 > > > Hello Russ? > Russ already explained the issue with his earlier message about the Tier2 ops rejecting weather data. Just follow the instructions in the error message, and your data will go back into the system. - Rich ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 16:32:37 -0800 From: "Jim Pace" Subject: Re: [wxqc] [personal] CWOP server status To: "Discussion of weather data quality issues" Message-ID: <001b01c731f3$5788de30$6800a8c0 at jim913fn14t9kh> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Given the tone of this email, it appears that this was a purposeful pulling of the plug. But is it just possible that it wasn't intentional and something else bad has happened. After all, newengland continues to receive our data. I rather enjoyed the back and forth of the recent posts regarding the servers although I didn't understand much of it. I sure would hate to think they would be that spiteful. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Russell.B.Chadwick at noaa.gov To: wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 3:15 PM Subject: [personal] [wxqc] CWOP server status As of a few hours ago, the Tier 2 operators abruptly withdrew support for CWOP traffic through their servers. We're sorry for any inconvenience this causes CWOP members, but you will have to change the server designation in your local software. More details at http://www.wxqa.com/news.html Russ _______________________________________________ wxqc mailing list Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: http://server.gladstonefamily.net/mailman/listinfo/wxqc The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 7603 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://server.gladstonefamily.net/pipermail/wxqc/attachments/20070106/6f43b5 9b/attachment-0001.jpeg ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 17:56:09 -0700 From: "JohnHCate" Subject: Re: [wxqc] CWOP server status To: "'Discussion of weather data quality issues'" Message-ID: <000c01c731f6$a206f7f0$6401a8c0 at johnvzbtlj2rs4> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I just checked my data on the Tier 2 arizona.arps2.net server and it as there - last was 07 at 0053z just a couple f minutes ago - John Cate WB7TJI -----Original Message----- From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net [mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net] On Behalf Of Russell.B.Chadwick at noaa.gov Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 4:15 PM To: wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net Subject: [wxqc] CWOP server status As of a few hours ago, the Tier 2 operators abruptly withdrew support for CWOP traffic through their servers. We're sorry for any inconvenience this causes CWOP members, but you will have to change the server designation in your local software. More details at http://www.wxqa.com/news.html Russ _______________________________________________ wxqc mailing list Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: http://server.gladstonefamily.net/mailman/listinfo/wxqc The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 18:58:32 -0600 From: Evan Bookbinder Subject: Re: [wxqc] CWOP server status To: 'Discussion of weather data quality issues' Message-ID: <002101c731f6$f4b113f0$6601a8c0 at stormalerthp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii John, It is possible (given your ham ID) that you're considered an APRS pass vs. a CWOP pass. Not sure what your ID is, but I'm guessing since you have a ham call in your signature. Evan -----Original Message----- From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net [mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net] On Behalf Of JohnHCate Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 6:56 PM To: 'Discussion of weather data quality issues' Subject: Re: [wxqc] CWOP server status I just checked my data on the Tier 2 arizona.arps2.net server and it as there - last was 07 at 0053z just a couple f minutes ago - John Cate WB7TJI -----Original Message----- From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net [mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net] On Behalf Of Russell.B.Chadwick at noaa.gov Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 4:15 PM To: wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net Subject: [wxqc] CWOP server status As of a few hours ago, the Tier 2 operators abruptly withdrew support for CWOP traffic through their servers. We're sorry for any inconvenience this causes CWOP members, but you will have to change the server designation in your local software. More details at http://www.wxqa.com/news.html Russ _______________________________________________ wxqc mailing list Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: http://server.gladstonefamily.net/mailman/listinfo/wxqc The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. _______________________________________________ wxqc mailing list Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: http://server.gladstonefamily.net/mailman/listinfo/wxqc The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 20:06:49 -0500 From: Steve Dimse Subject: Re: [wxqc] CWOP server status To: Discussion of weather data quality issues Message-ID: <685AB9A7-B703-4F7E-BD9A-E1909CD2DF04 at dimse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Jan 6, 2007, at 7:58 PM, Evan Bookbinder wrote: > It is possible (given your ham ID) that you're considered an APRS > pass vs. a > CWOP pass. Not sure what your ID is, but I'm guessing since you > have a ham > call in your signature. > > Evan > > -----Original Message----- > From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net > [mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net] On Behalf Of JohnHCate > Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 6:56 PM > To: 'Discussion of weather data quality issues' > Subject: Re: [wxqc] CWOP server status > > I just checked my data on the Tier 2 arizona.arps2.net server and > it as > there - last was 07 at 0053z just a couple f minutes ago - > There were two programs running on the four tier two servers that courted CWOP data. The port 23 programs were used for CWOP data, these have been turned off on three of the four machines. Whether the fourth will follow that lead remains to be seen. None of those servers turned off their APRS users on other ports, just the CWOP users on port 23. The core servers absorbed a third of the CWOP users immediately without any strain and are fully able to to handle the full load as CWOP users change their configuration to feed directly to the core. Steve K4HG ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ wxqc mailing list Send messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net To unsubscribe or change options, please go to: http://server.gladstonefamily.net/mailman/listinfo/wxqc The contents of these messages are the responsibility of the author(s). End of wxqc Digest, Vol 27, Issue 5 *********************************** From steve at dimse.com Sat Jan 6 19:17:20 2007 From: steve at dimse.com (Steve Dimse) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 20:17:20 -0500 Subject: [wxqc] wxqc Digest, Vol 27, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: <000001c731f8$c59ba1f0$3410d80c@S0028183503> References: <000001c731f8$c59ba1f0$3410d80c@S0028183503> Message-ID: On Jan 6, 2007, at 8:11 PM, dsmweather wrote: > I have gone to the recommended rotate.aprs.net : port 14580. I > have no > luck getting my data through on that port. I have seen elsewhere > the port > should be 23. anyone clairify that? If 14580 isn't working for you, it may be a firewall problem. Port 23 is fine as well. Steve K4HG From DeerTrail131 at aol.com Sat Jan 6 19:25:29 2007 From: DeerTrail131 at aol.com (DeerTrail131 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 20:25:29 EST Subject: [wxqc] wxqc Digest, Vol 27, Issue 5 Message-ID: Steve K4HG Russ will have to fix this one in the Deer Trail School District 26 J _http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/wxpage.cgi?call=CW0899!Deer%20Trail%20Schools&la st=24_ (http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/wxpage.cgi?call=CW0899!Deer%20Trail%20Schools&last=24) It was working for 19 days after is was restarted. December 18th, 2006 Ron Schaffer wd?bdq P. O. Box 131 Deer Trail, Colorado. 80105 Deertrail131 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://server.gladstonefamily.net/pipermail/wxqc/attachments/20070106/86ba5c94/attachment.htm From Weather at pdfamily.com Sat Jan 6 19:39:00 2007 From: Weather at pdfamily.com (Milford Weather) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 20:39:00 -0500 Subject: [wxqc] Strange pressure dip yesterday afternoon In-Reply-To: <458B4523.5000902@gladstonefamily.net> Message-ID: <200701070138.l071ceG13382@plus41.host4u.net> Phillip, Somehow I missed this whole thread, but had the same occurrence on the same day in Massachusetts. I was wondering if you ever came up with a good answer to this question. I posted on EasternUSWX forum (http://www.easternuswx.com/bb/index.php?showtopic=117554) and received a few thoughts, but nothing that I am positive of. I also received some interesting theories by email and was wondering if you ever came up with an answer you were comfortable with? Paul CW3414 SkyWarn Spotter http:/www.PDfamily.com/weather -----Original Message----- From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net [mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net] On Behalf Of Philip Gladstone Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 9:38 PM To: Discussion of weather data quality issues Subject: [wxqc] Strange pressure dip yesterday afternoon I noticed a strange spike in my pressure readings yesterday afternoon. It dropped by 2mb in about 30 minutes and then recovered over the next 30 minutes. Initially, I suspected some sort of instrumentation issue, but it turned out that everybody else in the area saw it as well. The people to the west of me saw it slightly earlier, and to the east, slightly later. I have never seen this sort of spike before -- what does it correspond to? 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If need be, I will send out a very large mass e-mail (over 9,200 entries in the CWOP database) next week. Again, I apologize for the inconvenience. Russ -------------- next part -------------- Given the tone of this email, it appears that this was a purposeful pulling of the plug. But is it just possible that it wasn't intentional and something else bad has happened. After all, newengland continues to receive our data. I rather enjoyed the back and forth of the recent posts regarding the servers although I didn't understand much of it. I sure would hate to think they would be that spiteful. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Russell.B.Chadwick at noaa.gov To: wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 3:15 PM Subject: [personal] [wxqc] CWOP server status As of a few hours ago, the Tier 2 operators abruptly withdrew support for CWOP traffic through their servers. We're sorry for any inconvenience this causes CWOP members, but you will have to change the server designation in your local software. More details at http://www.wxqa.com/news.html Russ _______________________________________________ wxqc mailing list Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: http://server.gladstonefamily.net/mailman/listinfo/wxqc The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://server.gladstonefamily.net/pipermail/wxqc/attachments/20070107/4c8c84a8/attachment.htm -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ wxqc mailing list Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: http://server.gladstonefamily.net/mailman/listinfo/wxqc The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. From stsander at sblan.net Sat Jan 6 19:38:32 2007 From: stsander at sblan.net (Stan Sander) Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 18:38:32 -0700 Subject: [wxqc] CWOP server status In-Reply-To: <2cf0612c8cfd.2c8cfd2cf061@noaa.gov> References: <2cf0612c8cfd.2c8cfd2cf061@noaa.gov> Message-ID: <45A04F18.5010604@sblan.net> Russell.B.Chadwick at noaa.gov wrote: > As of a few hours ago, the Tier 2 operators abruptly withdrew support > for CWOP traffic through their servers. We're sorry for any > inconvenience this causes CWOP members, but you will have to change the > server designation in your local software. More details at > http://www.wxqa.com/news.html > > Russ For those using Linux or Mac OS X, and a Davis Vantage Pro station, I have released a new version of my software at the usual distribution point, http://www.cpan.org/authors/id/S/ST/STSANDER/ it currently hasn't made it through the system and showed up, but it should shortly. The latest version which *DOES NOT* include support for the tier 2 servers is vanprod-2.3. CWOP data is sent to the core servers on port 14580. At last check I think there were only 6 or so folks using it to send data to CWOP, so not like it's got a huge following, but if anyone wasn't aware of it, I've now made a shameless plug . 73 de Stan, N5KJT From stunsal at msn.com Sat Jan 6 19:45:23 2007 From: stunsal at msn.com (Christopher Gillard) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 20:45:23 -0500 Subject: [wxqc] CWOP server status References: <2cf0612c8cfd.2c8cfd2cf061@noaa.gov> Message-ID: I guess this was a case of "I'm taking my ball home". Bunch of Nancys. Chris Gillard CW2693 ----- Original Message ----- From: Russell.B.Chadwick at noaa.gov To: wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 06:15 PM Subject: [wxqc] CWOP server status As of a few hours ago, the Tier 2 operators abruptly withdrew support for CWOP traffic through their servers. We're sorry for any inconvenience this causes CWOP members, but you will have to change the server designation in your local software. More details at http://www.wxqa.com/news.html Russ _______________________________________________ wxqc mailing list Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: http://server.gladstonefamily.net/mailman/listinfo/wxqc The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://server.gladstonefamily.net/pipermail/wxqc/attachments/20070106/c17b2817/attachment.htm From lwood at mountainbase.com Sat Jan 6 19:55:40 2007 From: lwood at mountainbase.com (Lance) Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 17:55:40 -0800 Subject: [wxqc] wxqc Digest, Vol 27, Issue 5 Message-ID: <45A0531C.2070100@mountainbase.com> I am using rotate.aprs.net on port 14580 through VPLive and all is working fine. Lance CW1020 From dick at kb7zva.com Sat Jan 6 20:04:17 2007 From: dick at kb7zva.com (dick at kb7zva.com) Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 19:04:17 -0700 Subject: [wxqc] CWOP server status Message-ID: <20070107020417.B42F32F97A@ws6-3.us4.outblaze.com> How dramatic . Not everything seems as it is. Tier 2 decided to do away with 4 WX port 23 entry point servers. You just gained 37 Tier 2 servers all using Port 14580. Pick one... Stay tuned for further details . Essentially we released a firm hold on 4 entry points that cultivated a majority of CWOP's over 5 years. There are a few people on this list that know what happened and may explain further... Sorry, I didn't drop a note earlier because I was very busy making infrastucture changes and trying to coordinate those changes. More later... or drop me an email. Dick, KB7ZVA APRSWest ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Gillard" To: "Discussion of weather data quality issues" Subject: Re: [wxqc] CWOP server status Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 20:45:23 -0500 I guess this was a case of "I'm taking my ball home". Bunch of Nancys. Chris GillardCW2693 ----- Original Message ----- From: Russell.B.Chadwick at noaa.govTo: wxqc at lists.gladstonefamilynetSent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 06:15 PMSubject: [wxqc] CWOP server status As of a few hours ago, the Tier 2 operators abruptly withdrew support for CWOP traffic through their servers. We're sorry for any inconvenience this causes CWOP members, but you will have to change the server designation in your local software. More details at http://www.wxqa.com/news.html Russ _______________________________________________ wxqc mailing list Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamilynet To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: http://server.gladstonefamily.net/mailman/listinfo/wxqc The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. _______________________________________________ wxqc mailing list Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: http://server.gladstonefamily.net/mailman/listinfo/wxqc The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://server.gladstonefamily.net/pipermail/wxqc/attachments/20070106/d0672b31/attachment.htm From steve at dimse.com Sat Jan 6 20:09:55 2007 From: steve at dimse.com (Steve Dimse) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 21:09:55 -0500 Subject: [wxqc] CWOP server status In-Reply-To: <20070107020417.B42F32F97A@ws6-3.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070107020417.B42F32F97A@ws6-3.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <534492F9-80D7-4EBC-8BC5-2303D42D66D1@dimse.com> On Jan 6, 2007, at 9:04 PM, dick at kb7zva.com wrote: > How dramatic . Not everything seems as it is. Tier 2 decided to > do away with 4 WX port 23 entry point servers. You just gained 37 > Tier 2 servers all using Port 14580. Pick one... Stay tuned for > further > details . Essentially we released a firm hold on 4 entry points > that cultivated a majority of CWOP's over 5 years. > Oh please! You cut off 2000 users of CWOP without notice, and you expect anyone to trust you ever again???? The exact quote from Phil would be "We at Tier 2 have come up with what we think is the best possible plan for everyone. We will be ending our involvement with the CWOP program." Fine, now let those of us that developed and have supported CWOP all along serve the users. You took you ball home, enjoy playing with it. Steve K4HG From dick at kb7zva.com Sat Jan 6 20:17:20 2007 From: dick at kb7zva.com (dick at kb7zva.com) Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 19:17:20 -0700 Subject: [wxqc] CWOP server status Message-ID: <20070107021720.DF7FAEE5F8@ws6-1.us4.outblaze.com> > There were two programs running on the four tier two servers that > courted CWOP data. The port 23 programs were used for CWOP data, > these have been turned off on three of the four machines. Whether the > fourth will follow that lead remains to be seen. None of those > servers turned off their APRS users on other ports, just the CWOP > users on port 23. The fourth will be gone later this evening. In place it will accept CWOP connects on port 14580, which is compatible with the 3 Main Core servers. This list of servers will be available soon. Dick, KB7ZVA APRSWest From n9lya at blueriver.net Sat Jan 6 20:23:25 2007 From: n9lya at blueriver.net (Jerry) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 21:23:25 -0500 Subject: [wxqc] CWOP server status In-Reply-To: <534492F9-80D7-4EBC-8BC5-2303D42D66D1@dimse.com> Message-ID: <004801c73202$d4102620$8501a8c0@kutche101> Guys. Let me stop in here and make a statement. Seems no one was willing to see if it was a glitch... Lets assume Dick has an explanation and is on the up and up and is essentially stating his piece with such calm demeanor and Steve is always coming back with attacks and innuendoes. Then that tells me which one is right and which one is wrong. Lets see how this actually develops and let circumstances prove who is right and who knows what's up. I know very little about what's going on here.. So I cannot say I know which is right or which is wrong by any means other then by their writings. and it seems Steve is on the defensive. I do not personally know either of them.. Other then by these treads of late.. So I am just making an observation. and judgment based on their human-relationship skills.. Seems everyone was expecting to have CWOP cut off by the Tier 2 Guys just based on the hostile statements made by Steve over the past several days or weeks.. A week from now or however long it takes to find out what's up with this latest development will prove quite interesting.. 73 Jerry N9LYA ----------------------------------------------------- "n9lya at n9lya.com" is a NetIBA certified email address. Certificate #547182E. Please visit NetIBA at http://www.netiba.com/?293 -----Original Message----- From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net [mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net] On Behalf Of Steve Dimse Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 9:10 PM To: Discussion of weather data quality issues Subject: Re: [wxqc] CWOP server status On Jan 6, 2007, at 9:04 PM, dick at kb7zva.com wrote: > How dramatic . Not everything seems as it is. Tier 2 decided to > do away with 4 WX port 23 entry point servers. You just gained 37 > Tier 2 servers all using Port 14580. Pick one... Stay tuned for > further > details . Essentially we released a firm hold on 4 entry points > that cultivated a majority of CWOP's over 5 years. > Oh please! You cut off 2000 users of CWOP without notice, and you expect anyone to trust you ever again???? The exact quote from Phil would be "We at Tier 2 have come up with what we think is the best possible plan for everyone. We will be ending our involvement with the CWOP program." Fine, now let those of us that developed and have supported CWOP all along serve the users. You took you ball home, enjoy playing with it. Steve K4HG _______________________________________________ wxqc mailing list Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: http://server.gladstonefamily.net/mailman/listinfo/wxqc The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. From n9lya at blueriver.net Sat Jan 6 20:24:55 2007 From: n9lya at blueriver.net (Jerry) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 21:24:55 -0500 Subject: [wxqc] CWOP server status In-Reply-To: <20070107021720.DF7FAEE5F8@ws6-1.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <004901c73203$09a90130$8501a8c0@kutche101> Nice explanation Dick.. Maybe the group here will calm down now... Will enjoy watching this pan out.. Maybe a few will realize .... They seem to forget... Paranoia will destroy ya... 73 Jerry N9LYA ----------------------------------------------------- "n9lya at n9lya.com" is a NetIBA certified email address. Certificate #547182E. Please visit NetIBA at http://www.netiba.com/?293 -----Original Message----- From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net [mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net] On Behalf Of dick at kb7zva.com Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 9:17 PM To: Discussion of weather data quality issues Subject: Re: [wxqc] CWOP server status > There were two programs running on the four tier two servers that > courted CWOP data. The port 23 programs were used for CWOP data, > these have been turned off on three of the four machines. Whether the > fourth will follow that lead remains to be seen. None of those > servers turned off their APRS users on other ports, just the CWOP > users on port 23. The fourth will be gone later this evening. In place it will accept CWOP connects on port 14580, which is compatible with the 3 Main Core servers. This list of servers will be available soon. Dick, KB7ZVA APRSWest _______________________________________________ wxqc mailing list Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: http://server.gladstonefamily.net/mailman/listinfo/wxqc The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. From abaldish at atlanticbb.net Sat Jan 6 20:25:03 2007 From: abaldish at atlanticbb.net (Albert L. Baldish Sr) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 21:25:03 -0500 Subject: [wxqc] CWOP server status References: <20070107021720.DF7FAEE5F8@ws6-1.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <006d01c73203$09e4aaa0$030fa8c0@albert> Just made the change over to rotate.aprs.net and everything is moving here again. CW5527 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Discussion of weather data quality issues" Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [wxqc] CWOP server status > >> There were two programs running on the four tier two servers that >> courted CWOP data. The port 23 programs were used for CWOP data, >> these have been turned off on three of the four machines. Whether the >> fourth will follow that lead remains to be seen. None of those >> servers turned off their APRS users on other ports, just the CWOP >> users on port 23. > > The fourth will be gone later this evening. In place it will accept CWOP > connects on port 14580, which is compatible with the 3 Main Core servers. > > This list of servers will be available soon. > > Dick, KB7ZVA > APRSWest > _______________________________________________ > wxqc mailing list > Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net > To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: > http://server.gladstonefamily.net/mailman/listinfo/wxqc > > The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. > From steve at dimse.com Sat Jan 6 20:38:06 2007 From: steve at dimse.com (Steve Dimse) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 21:38:06 -0500 Subject: [wxqc] CWOP server status In-Reply-To: <004801c73202$d4102620$8501a8c0@kutche101> References: <004801c73202$d4102620$8501a8c0@kutche101> Message-ID: On Jan 6, 2007, at 9:23 PM, Jerry wrote: > A week from now or however long it takes to find out what's up > with this > latest development will prove quite interesting.. > There is no mystery, there was a message sent to Russ by Phil at 11 AM EST that said tier 2 was cutting off CWOP. Within two hours three of the four servers had been shut down without giving any time for notifying the users to switch to the core. The core sysops, myself, Russ, and Dave have been working all day to assure the disruption to CWOP would be as minimal as possible, given the sudden violent action of the tier 2 sysops. We have the capacity to fully handle the entire CWOP load. Even if tier 2 now say they have a different plan, to suddenly cut off the 2000 users that have a single hardcoded tier 2 address without any advanced notice shows how little concern they have for CWOP data. Steve K4HG From Weather at pdfamily.com Sat Jan 6 20:53:57 2007 From: Weather at pdfamily.com (Milford Weather) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 21:53:57 -0500 Subject: [wxqc] [personal] CWOP server status In-Reply-To: <2c9e082cef23.2cef232c9e08@noaa.gov> Message-ID: <200701070253.l072reX22296@plus41.host4u.net> Not wanting to become involved in the overall issue of what seems to be going on with servers, I just want to know where it is recommended that I send my data. Based on posts a couple weeks ago I am sending my data to rotate.aprs.net on port 23. I am in New England and I'm wondering if this is the best location & port or if I would be better off with a different configuration. Thanks, Paul CW3414 SkyWarn Spotter http:/www.PDfamily.com/weather _____ From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net [mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net] On Behalf Of Russell.B.Chadwick at noaa.gov Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 8:39 PM To: Discussion of weather data quality issues Subject: Re: [wxqc] [personal] CWOP server status Given the tone of this email, it appears that this was a purposeful pulling of the plug. But is it just possible that it wasn't intentional and something else bad has happened. After all, newengland continues to receive our data. I rather enjoyed the back and forth of the recent posts regarding the servers although I didn't understand much of it. I sure would hate to think they would be that spiteful. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Russell.B.Chadwick at noaa.gov To: wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 3:15 PM Subject: [personal] [wxqc] CWOP server status As of a few hours ago, the Tier 2 operators abruptly withdrew support for CWOP traffic through their servers. We're sorry for any inconvenience this causes CWOP members, but you will have to change the server designation in your local software. More details at http://www.wxqa.com/news.html Russ _______________________________________________ wxqc mailing list Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: http://server.gladstonefamily.net/mailman/listinfo/wxqc The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Based on posts a couple weeks ago > I am sending my data torotate.aprs.net on port 23. I am in New > England and I?m wondering if this is the best location & port or if > I would be better off with a different configuration. > > If you have yourself working on 23, there is no need to change it. We are suggesting 14580 for new people orphaned by Tier 2's action because it will use a little less bandwidth. Some people may have a problem with 14580 if they are behind a firewall that blocks non- standard port, but for most people there should be no problem on either port. Steve K4HG From Russell.B.Chadwick at noaa.gov Sat Jan 6 21:02:59 2007 From: Russell.B.Chadwick at noaa.gov (Russell.B.Chadwick at noaa.gov) Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 03:02:59 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [wxqc] [personal] CWOP server status Message-ID: <2d12022d0b9d.2d0b9d2d1202@noaa.gov> Milford, The recommendations on servers are under item # 2 here, http://www.wxqa.com/activecwd.html You should connect to rotate.aprs.net: port 14580 Russ -------------- next part -------------- Not wanting to become involved in the overall issue of what seems to be going on with servers, I just want to know where it is recommended that I send my data. Based on posts a couple weeks ago I am sending my data to rotate.aprs.net on port 23. I am in New England and I'm wondering if this is the best location & port or if I would be better off with a different configuration. Thanks, Paul CW3414 SkyWarn Spotter http:/www.PDfamily.com/weather _____ From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net [mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net] On Behalf Of Russell.B.Chadwick at noaa.gov Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 8:39 PM To: Discussion of weather data quality issues Subject: Re: [wxqc] [personal] CWOP server status Given the tone of this email, it appears that this was a purposeful pulling of the plug. But is it just possible that it wasn't intentional and something else bad has happened. After all, newengland continues to receive our data. I rather enjoyed the back and forth of the recent posts regarding the servers although I didn't understand much of it. I sure would hate to think they would be that spiteful. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Russell.B.Chadwick at noaa.gov To: wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 3:15 PM Subject: [personal] [wxqc] CWOP server status As of a few hours ago, the Tier 2 operators abruptly withdrew support for CWOP traffic through their servers. We're sorry for any inconvenience this causes CWOP members, but you will have to change the server designation in your local software. More details at http://www.wxqa.com/news.html Russ _______________________________________________ wxqc mailing list Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: http://server.gladstonefamily.net/mailman/listinfo/wxqc The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://server.gladstonefamily.net/pipermail/wxqc/attachments/20070107/28c5feb7/attachment.htm -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ wxqc mailing list Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: http://server.gladstonefamily.net/mailman/listinfo/wxqc The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. From dick at kb7zva.com Sat Jan 6 21:03:38 2007 From: dick at kb7zva.com (dick at kb7zva.com) Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 20:03:38 -0700 Subject: [wxqc] CWOP server status Message-ID: <20070107030338.79DEB13CCC1@ws6-8.us4.outblaze.com> > Oh please! You cut off 2000 users of CWOP without notice, and you > expect anyone to trust you ever again???? > > The exact quote from Phil would be "We at Tier 2 have come up with > what we > think is the best possible plan for everyone. We will be ending our > involvement with the CWOP program." > > Fine, now let those of us that developed and have supported CWOP all > along serve the users. You took you ball home, enjoy playing with it. > > Steve K4HG Steve, I love it. That was a private message to Dave Helms and Russ Chadwick and you only quoted the part you were interested in. Does this mean I can quote your private emails. The only reason they probably sent you a copy was because it explained what Phil was really feeling about you. I don't understand why you didn't quote the message in it's entire form, where Phil mentioned his support of the CWOP's. A classic example of your continued attempts to slander any effort with the development of Tier 2. Shame on you. Your attempt to get people to use rotate.aprs.net is nothing more than a ploy so you can continue your dictatorship of a 1993 legacy. How many times have you stated your Main Core sysop's run the show? You own the domain and that means 'control'. So what is your game? You were the one that cried the blues and wanted us to release 'the firm grip we had on the CWOP's'. Every time a server failed, you ran around saying the sky was falling. Always eager to point a finger without coming up with a real solution. When I pointed out that we weren't the only failures on the APRS-IS... you simply ignored it. This step we have made is a solution where end-users can decide what works best for them. Not because of your personal self-satisfying agenda. rotate.aprs.net is not the best solution any longer. 1) Can't detect a downed server. 2) DNS cache sticks like glue and doesn't rotate as expected. 3) Only assigns 1 of 3 servers. It might assign the same server over and over causing un-even distribution of the 3. It is likely one server would end up with more connects than the others. Same problem we had with 4 Tier 2 WX servers. Frankly, I was disappointed that there wasn't more name calling as usual . Can we possibly just accept that we just made a positive move towards the handling of CWOP's. Or don't you care enough past your own personal agenda? Whatever it is . Dick, KB7ZVA From slottech at gbis.com Sat Jan 6 21:19:19 2007 From: slottech at gbis.com (Richard) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 19:19:19 -0800 Subject: [wxqc] CWOP server status In-Reply-To: <20070107030338.79DEB13CCC1@ws6-8.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <015001c7320a$9f6beaa0$0501a8c0@Richardn> You know, all this pointless bickering is making me want to abandon APRS. Why can't you guys either take this crap off list, or learn to play in the same sandbox? Richard, N7TGB -----Original Message----- From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net [mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net]On Behalf Of dick at kb7zva.com Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 7:04 PM To: Discussion of weather data quality issues Subject: Re: [wxqc] CWOP server status > Oh please! You cut off 2000 users of CWOP without notice, and you > expect anyone to trust you ever again???? > > The exact quote from Phil would be "We at Tier 2 have come up with > what we > think is the best possible plan for everyone. We will be ending our > involvement with the CWOP program." > > Fine, now let those of us that developed and have supported CWOP all > along serve the users. You took you ball home, enjoy playing with it. > > Steve K4HG Steve, I love it. That was a private message to Dave Helms and Russ Chadwick and you only quoted the part you were interested in. Does this mean I can quote your private emails. The only reason they probably sent you a copy was because it explained what Phil was really feeling about you. I don't understand why you didn't quote the message in it's entire form, where Phil mentioned his support of the CWOP's. A classic example of your continued attempts to slander any effort with the development of Tier 2. Shame on you. Your attempt to get people to use rotate.aprs.net is nothing more than a ploy so you can continue your dictatorship of a 1993 legacy. How many times have you stated your Main Core sysop's run the show? You own the domain and that means 'control'. So what is your game? You were the one that cried the blues and wanted us to release 'the firm grip we had on the CWOP's'. Every time a server failed, you ran around saying the sky was falling. Always eager to point a finger without coming up with a real solution. When I pointed out that we weren't the only failures on the APRS-IS... you simply ignored it. This step we have made is a solution where end-users can decide what works best for them. Not because of your personal self-satisfying agenda. rotate.aprs.net is not the best solution any longer. 1) Can't detect a downed server. 2) DNS cache sticks like glue and doesn't rotate as expected. 3) Only assigns 1 of 3 servers. It might assign the same server over and over causing un-even distribution of the 3. It is likely one server would end up with more connects than the others. Same problem we had with 4 Tier 2 WX servers. Frankly, I was disappointed that there wasn't more name calling as usual . Can we possibly just accept that we just made a positive move towards the handling of CWOP's. Or don't you care enough past your own personal agenda? Whatever it is . Dick, KB7ZVA _______________________________________________ wxqc mailing list Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: http://server.gladstonefamily.net/mailman/listinfo/wxqc The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. From steve at dimse.com Sat Jan 6 21:21:30 2007 From: steve at dimse.com (Steve Dimse) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 22:21:30 -0500 Subject: [wxqc] CWOP server status In-Reply-To: <20070107030338.79DEB13CCC1@ws6-8.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070107030338.79DEB13CCC1@ws6-8.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <3AE8135E-0538-46EF-8A88-C741A9405008@dimse.com> On Jan 6, 2007, at 10:03 PM, dick at kb7zva.com wrote: > > I love it. That was a private message to Dave Helms and Russ Chadwick > and you only quoted the part you were interested in. Does this mean I > can quote your private emails. You can, if it contradicts something I'm saying publicly. I have my flaws, but I don't tell people that depend on my system I quit, turn off the servers, deprive the public of the benefits of the reports of thousands of stations, then turn around and tell the public "I'm here for you". > The only reason they probably sent you > a copy was because it explained what Phil was really feeling about > you. No, they sent me and the core sysops the message because they realize the impact your childish actions would have on our system, so that would could act to minimize the problems you caused. We spent all day doing this, and we succeeded. > > I don't understand why you didn't quote the message in it's entire > form, > where Phil mentioned his support of the CWOP's. OK, since you want it quoted in its entirety, I'm glad to do so so there is no question of the tone. I only quoted the smallest amount necessary to prove the public statement was in contradiction to an earlier abandonment of CWOP. The entire message is at the bottom of this page. Yes, Phil supported the CWOP, when it benefited him. When it didn't, he dumped it, losing data and making the system look amateurish to the NWS. Those of us that truly support CWOP are still here, making it work. Here is the full message for all to enjoy, at Dick's request: From: "Phillip B. Pacier" Date: January 6, 2007 11:21:56 AM EST (CA) To: , Cc: "Stanich, Dick" Subject: A Time for Change Hello, gentlemen. I have been privy to all of the conversations of the past couple of months, but have remained largely silent while trying to figure out what's best to do. We at Tier 2 have come up with what we think is the best possible plan for everyone. We will be ending our involvement with the CWOP program. This whole venture has come to the point where it is no longer enjoyable. I do not wish to continue to subject my Tier 2 sysops to the propaganda, personal attacks, and irresponsibilities of Steve Dimse. Your suggestion to have a single rotate address involve both Tier 2 and core servers - did you run that one by Steve yet? That should generate an amusing response for you to read. Additionally, that would break down the Tiered architecture that we believe is the best choice for the health of the APRS-IS in general. Any time we have mentioned any idea along the lines of cooperation between the tiers has led to personal attacks mainly from Steve. Remember, we have been doing this for over 5 years now - longer than the CWOP program has been around, and so we have a lot of information on which to base this. Steve, and to a lesser extent the three core server sysops, have shown over the years that they will not work with us in any way, shape, or form. This is venture is no longer in the spirit of ham radio, APRS, or even anything remotely fun. Steve apparently has the answer to your problem, and wants all 3,500+ CW users to connect to the core servers. He will now have just that. I personally will continue to support the CWOP program by sending my own weather data in and encouraging other stations to sign up. But the four Tier 2 servers that have been dedicated to the sole purpose of gathering weather data and sending it through the APRS-IS for the purpose of the MADIS program will now be shut down. It's too bad, and I am sorry, but it's just no longer worth it. I wish you all the best of luck with your program, and will enjoy watching the membership climb beyond 4000 members this year. -- Phillip Pacier - AD6NH APRS Tier 2 Coordinator Sales Associate Baker to Vegas Digital Coordinator Ham Radio Outlet, Anaheim www.aprs2.net 714-533-7373 www.aprsca.net 800-854-6046 www.b2vtracking.com From gary.oldham at adelphia.net Sat Jan 6 21:33:24 2007 From: gary.oldham at adelphia.net (Gary Oldham) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 21:33:24 -0600 Subject: [wxqc] CWOP server status Message-ID: <26471606.1168140804317.JavaMail.root@web12.mail.adelphia.net> Maybe this whole p***ing match could be taken off line? I think only two people or so seem to really care about this schoolyard nonsense, and to quote a line from one of these barbs, this whole public "debate" is "making the system look amateurish to the NWS" and to all the rest of us for that matter. I appreciate anyone who expends efforts supporting CWOP, and I think that includes both the folks continuing this private feud in a very public forum. If it continues, I fear many people will drop off this list which is supposed to be for discussion of weather quality issues. Gary CW0146 ---- Steve Dimse wrote: ============= On Jan 6, 2007, at 10:03 PM, dick at kb7zva.com wrote: > > I love it. That was a private message to Dave Helms and Russ Chadwick > and you only quoted the part you were interested in. Does this mean I > can quote your private emails. You can, if it contradicts something I'm saying publicly. I have my flaws, but I don't tell people that depend on my system I quit, turn off the servers, deprive the public of the benefits of the reports of thousands of stations, then turn around and tell the public "I'm here for you". > The only reason they probably sent you > a copy was because it explained what Phil was really feeling about > you. No, they sent me and the core sysops the message because they realize the impact your childish actions would have on our system, so that would could act to minimize the problems you caused. We spent all day doing this, and we succeeded. > > I don't understand why you didn't quote the message in it's entire > form, > where Phil mentioned his support of the CWOP's. OK, since you want it quoted in its entirety, I'm glad to do so so there is no question of the tone. I only quoted the smallest amount necessary to prove the public statement was in contradiction to an earlier abandonment of CWOP. The entire message is at the bottom of this page. Yes, Phil supported the CWOP, when it benefited him. When it didn't, he dumped it, losing data and making the system look amateurish to the NWS. Those of us that truly support CWOP are still here, making it work. Here is the full message for all to enjoy, at Dick's request: From: "Phillip B. Pacier" Date: January 6, 2007 11:21:56 AM EST (CA) To: , Cc: "Stanich, Dick" Subject: A Time for Change Hello, gentlemen. I have been privy to all of the conversations of the past couple of months, but have remained largely silent while trying to figure out what's best to do. We at Tier 2 have come up with what we think is the best possible plan for everyone. We will be ending our involvement with the CWOP program. This whole venture has come to the point where it is no longer enjoyable. I do not wish to continue to subject my Tier 2 sysops to the propaganda, personal attacks, and irresponsibilities of Steve Dimse. Your suggestion to have a single rotate address involve both Tier 2 and core servers - did you run that one by Steve yet? That should generate an amusing response for you to read. Additionally, that would break down the Tiered architecture that we believe is the best choice for the health of the APRS-IS in general. Any time we have mentioned any idea along the lines of cooperation between the tiers has led to personal attacks mainly from Steve. Remember, we have been doing this for over 5 years now - longer than the CWOP program has been around, and so we have a lot of information on which to base this. Steve, and to a lesser extent the three core server sysops, have shown over the years that they will not work with us in any way, shape, or form. This is venture is no longer in the spirit of ham radio, APRS, or even anything remotely fun. Steve apparently has the answer to your problem, and wants all 3,500+ CW users to connect to the core servers. He will now have just that. I personally will continue to support the CWOP program by sending my own weather data in and encouraging other stations to sign up. But the four Tier 2 servers that have been dedicated to the sole purpose of gathering weather data and sending it through the APRS-IS for the purpose of the MADIS program will now be shut down. It's too bad, and I am sorry, but it's just no longer worth it. I wish you all the best of luck with your program, and will enjoy watching the membership climb beyond 4000 members this year. -- Phillip Pacier - AD6NH APRS Tier 2 Coordinator Sales Associate Baker to Vegas Digital Coordinator Ham Radio Outlet, Anaheim www.aprs2.net 714-533-7373 www.aprsca.net 800-854-6046 www.b2vtracking.com _______________________________________________ wxqc mailing list Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: http://server.gladstonefamily.net/mailman/listinfo/wxqc The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. -- gary.oldham(at)adelphia.net From gary.oldham at adelphia.net Sat Jan 6 21:36:00 2007 From: gary.oldham at adelphia.net (Gary Oldham) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 21:36:00 -0600 Subject: [wxqc] CWOP server status Message-ID: <4518635.1168140960598.JavaMail.root@web12.mail.adelphia.net> Maybe this whole p***ing match could be taken off line? I think only two people or so seem to really care about this schoolyard nonsense, and to quote a line from one of these barbs, this whole public "debate" is "making the system look amateurish to the NWS" and to all the rest of us for that matter. I appreciate anyone who expends efforts supporting CWOP, and I think that includes both the folks continuing this private feud in a very public forum. If it continues, I fear many people will drop off this list which is supposed to be for discussion of weather quality issues. Gary CW0146 ---- Steve Dimse wrote: ============= On Jan 6, 2007, at 10:03 PM, dick at kb7zva.com wrote: > > I love it. That was a private message to Dave Helms and Russ Chadwick > and you only quoted the part you were interested in. Does this mean I > can quote your private emails. You can, if it contradicts something I'm saying publicly. I have my flaws, but I don't tell people that depend on my system I quit, turn off the servers, deprive the public of the benefits of the reports of thousands of stations, then turn around and tell the public "I'm here for you". > The only reason they probably sent you > a copy was because it explained what Phil was really feeling about > you. No, they sent me and the core sysops the message because they realize the impact your childish actions would have on our system, so that would could act to minimize the problems you caused. We spent all day doing this, and we succeeded. > > I don't understand why you didn't quote the message in it's entire > form, > where Phil mentioned his support of the CWOP's. OK, since you want it quoted in its entirety, I'm glad to do so so there is no question of the tone. I only quoted the smallest amount necessary to prove the public statement was in contradiction to an earlier abandonment of CWOP. The entire message is at the bottom of this page. Yes, Phil supported the CWOP, when it benefited him. When it didn't, he dumped it, losing data and making the system look amateurish to the NWS. Those of us that truly support CWOP are still here, making it work. Here is the full message for all to enjoy, at Dick's request: From: "Phillip B. Pacier" Date: January 6, 2007 11:21:56 AM EST (CA) To: , Cc: "Stanich, Dick" Subject: A Time for Change Hello, gentlemen. I have been privy to all of the conversations of the past couple of months, but have remained largely silent while trying to figure out what's best to do. We at Tier 2 have come up with what we think is the best possible plan for everyone. We will be ending our involvement with the CWOP program. This whole venture has come to the point where it is no longer enjoyable. I do not wish to continue to subject my Tier 2 sysops to the propaganda, personal attacks, and irresponsibilities of Steve Dimse. Your suggestion to have a single rotate address involve both Tier 2 and core servers - did you run that one by Steve yet? That should generate an amusing response for you to read. Additionally, that would break down the Tiered architecture that we believe is the best choice for the health of the APRS-IS in general. Any time we have mentioned any idea along the lines of cooperation between the tiers has led to personal attacks mainly from Steve. Remember, we have been doing this for over 5 years now - longer than the CWOP program has been around, and so we have a lot of information on which to base this. Steve, and to a lesser extent the three core server sysops, have shown over the years that they will not work with us in any way, shape, or form. This is venture is no longer in the spirit of ham radio, APRS, or even anything remotely fun. Steve apparently has the answer to your problem, and wants all 3,500+ CW users to connect to the core servers. He will now have just that. I personally will continue to support the CWOP program by sending my own weather data in and encouraging other stations to sign up. But the four Tier 2 servers that have been dedicated to the sole purpose of gathering weather data and sending it through the APRS-IS for the purpose of the MADIS program will now be shut down. It's too bad, and I am sorry, but it's just no longer worth it. I wish you all the best of luck with your program, and will enjoy watching the membership climb beyond 4000 members this year. -- Phillip Pacier - AD6NH APRS Tier 2 Coordinator Sales Associate Baker to Vegas Digital Coordinator Ham Radio Outlet, Anaheim www.aprs2.net 714-533-7373 www.aprsca.net 800-854-6046 www.b2vtracking.com _______________________________________________ wxqc mailing list Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: http://server.gladstonefamily.net/mailman/listinfo/wxqc The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. -- gary.oldham(at)adelphia.net From unkajim at comcast.net Sat Jan 6 21:47:57 2007 From: unkajim at comcast.net (Jim Pace) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 19:47:57 -0800 Subject: [wxqc] [personal] Re: CWOP server status References: <4518635.1168140960598.JavaMail.root@web12.mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <00a201c7320e$9efdc2b0$6800a8c0@jim913fn14t9kh> Not me! This just tells me there's real, passionate people out there. Besides, it beats the heck out of the typical "My green check marks aren't green enough" posts that are the usual fare here. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Oldham To: Discussion of weather data quality issues Cc: Steve Dimse Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 7:36 PM Subject: [personal] Re: [wxqc] CWOP server status Maybe this whole p***ing match could be taken off line? I think only two people or so seem to really care about this schoolyard nonsense, and to quote a line from one of these barbs, this whole public "debate" is "making the system look amateurish to the NWS" and to all the rest of us for that matter. I appreciate anyone who expends efforts supporting CWOP, and I think that includes both the folks continuing this private feud in a very public forum. If it continues, I fear many people will drop off this list which is supposed to be for discussion of weather quality issues. Gary CW0146 ---- Steve Dimse wrote: ============= On Jan 6, 2007, at 10:03 PM, dick at kb7zva.com wrote: > > I love it. That was a private message to Dave Helms and Russ Chadwick > and you only quoted the part you were interested in. Does this mean I > can quote your private emails. You can, if it contradicts something I'm saying publicly. I have my flaws, but I don't tell people that depend on my system I quit, turn off the servers, deprive the public of the benefits of the reports of thousands of stations, then turn around and tell the public "I'm here for you". > The only reason they probably sent you > a copy was because it explained what Phil was really feeling about > you. No, they sent me and the core sysops the message because they realize the impact your childish actions would have on our system, so that would could act to minimize the problems you caused. We spent all day doing this, and we succeeded. > > I don't understand why you didn't quote the message in it's entire > form, > where Phil mentioned his support of the CWOP's. OK, since you want it quoted in its entirety, I'm glad to do so so there is no question of the tone. I only quoted the smallest amount necessary to prove the public statement was in contradiction to an earlier abandonment of CWOP. The entire message is at the bottom of this page. Yes, Phil supported the CWOP, when it benefited him. When it didn't, he dumped it, losing data and making the system look amateurish to the NWS. Those of us that truly support CWOP are still here, making it work. Here is the full message for all to enjoy, at Dick's request: From: "Phillip B. Pacier" Date: January 6, 2007 11:21:56 AM EST (CA) To: , Cc: "Stanich, Dick" Subject: A Time for Change Hello, gentlemen. I have been privy to all of the conversations of the past couple of months, but have remained largely silent while trying to figure out what's best to do. We at Tier 2 have come up with what we think is the best possible plan for everyone. We will be ending our involvement with the CWOP program. This whole venture has come to the point where it is no longer enjoyable. I do not wish to continue to subject my Tier 2 sysops to the propaganda, personal attacks, and irresponsibilities of Steve Dimse. Your suggestion to have a single rotate address involve both Tier 2 and core servers - did you run that one by Steve yet? That should generate an amusing response for you to read. Additionally, that would break down the Tiered architecture that we believe is the best choice for the health of the APRS-IS in general. Any time we have mentioned any idea along the lines of cooperation between the tiers has led to personal attacks mainly from Steve. Remember, we have been doing this for over 5 years now - longer than the CWOP program has been around, and so we have a lot of information on which to base this. Steve, and to a lesser extent the three core server sysops, have shown over the years that they will not work with us in any way, shape, or form. This is venture is no longer in the spirit of ham radio, APRS, or even anything remotely fun. Steve apparently has the answer to your problem, and wants all 3,500+ CW users to connect to the core servers. He will now have just that. I personally will continue to support the CWOP program by sending my own weather data in and encouraging other stations to sign up. But the four Tier 2 servers that have been dedicated to the sole purpose of gathering weather data and sending it through the APRS-IS for the purpose of the MADIS program will now be shut down. It's too bad, and I am sorry, but it's just no longer worth it. I wish you all the best of luck with your program, and will enjoy watching the membership climb beyond 4000 members this year. -- Phillip Pacier - AD6NH APRS Tier 2 Coordinator Sales Associate Baker to Vegas Digital Coordinator Ham Radio Outlet, Anaheim www.aprs2.net 714-533-7373 www.aprsca.net 800-854-6046 www.b2vtracking.com _______________________________________________ wxqc mailing list Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: http://server.gladstonefamily.net/mailman/listinfo/wxqc The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. -- gary.oldham(at)adelphia.net _______________________________________________ wxqc mailing list Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: http://server.gladstonefamily.net/mailman/listinfo/wxqc The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Besides, it beats the heck out of the typical "My green > check marks aren't green enough" posts that are the usual fare here. Best laugh I've had today, thanks! Steve From dick at kb7zva.com Sat Jan 6 21:55:16 2007 From: dick at kb7zva.com (dick at kb7zva.com) Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 20:55:16 -0700 Subject: [wxqc] CWOP server status Message-ID: <20070107035516.1C0482F90D@ws6-3.us4.outblaze.com> > We have the capacity to fully handle the entire > CWOP load. Time will tell if the Core can or can't. Your numbers are wrong. I had over 2700 users on my WX server today before I made the change. We normally handled over 3000 WX users on those servers. Currently the Main Core is under stress and only picked up an additional 1000 users. It's trying to shove data out at stress levels and individual output queues are building to the point of terminating users. > > Even if tier 2 now say they have a different plan, to suddenly cut > off the 2000 users that have a single hardcoded tier 2 address > without any advanced notice shows how little concern they have for > CWOP data. Who has Tier 2 addresses harcoded in their programs? It's my understanding that all current WX software upgrades no longer use hardcoded addresses. That should be the clients option, not yours or mine. Let them run their systems the way they work best. Please have a little more faith in these people. Yes, we didn't give any advanced notice. Where would we have done that? Not all CWOP's are on this list. Many don't belong to lists. We made a change and you exploited it as a negative and another tool to take a grandstand approach to belittle Tier 2. If MADIS is solely mining data from your database, isn't that a single_point_of_failure. Has anyone suggested multiple points for them? I know there was talk about developing in single server for CWOP's and WX users... away from the APRS-IS. Looking at how networks have failed that would be a high risk situation. I didn't make these changes because I'm some sort of control freak. It's the mis-information and my networking experience that brought me to this list in the first place. I've been at this a long time, and provided the very first entry point for the CWOP's over 5 years ago. I've tried to develop solutions and at the same time have seen huge growth in the program. During that time period, the Main Core has mimicked most of our moves, however, the one thing that has changed is the capacity of the core itself and refusing to acknowledge the well-needed second server level. You want it all, and it's not possible. I have no personal agenda or like to participate in personal attacks against anyone. It's not my moral obligation to do what you want me to. Whatever that is... Can we move ahead on some real solutions? Dick, KB7ZVA From lemonfrjoy at yahoo.com Sat Jan 6 22:01:06 2007 From: lemonfrjoy at yahoo.com (Joy) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 20:01:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [wxqc] Thank you Message-ID: <20070107040106.71943.qmail@web39708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I just want to thank those who were, are now, and may in the future, transmit our data for us. And I want to thank those who volunteer their time to keep our serious hobby working. I guess I didn't realize how extenisve our networks are, and how many people contribute, but my thanks to all of you! Joy Lemmons KB0YUP AP918 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://server.gladstonefamily.net/pipermail/wxqc/attachments/20070106/d08f056d/attachment.htm From dick at kb7zva.com Sat Jan 6 22:02:37 2007 From: dick at kb7zva.com (dick at kb7zva.com) Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 21:02:37 -0700 Subject: [wxqc] [personal] CWOP server status Message-ID: <20070107040237.84F70109FD3@ws6-4.us4.outblaze.com> Milford, The recommendations on servers are under item # 2 here, http://www.wxqa.com/activecwd.html You should connect to rotate.aprs.net: port 14580 Russ Russ, Could you please update item #2 to read port 14580 on the mentioned Tier 2 servers? Also, using rotate.aprs.net will not work for everyone. Dick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://server.gladstonefamily.net/pipermail/wxqc/attachments/20070106/61cc801b/attachment.htm From steve at dimse.com Sat Jan 6 22:24:21 2007 From: steve at dimse.com (Steve Dimse) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 23:24:21 -0500 Subject: [wxqc] CWOP server status In-Reply-To: <20070107035516.1C0482F90D@ws6-3.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070107035516.1C0482F90D@ws6-3.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <7521DB0A-0B11-4470-81EB-6DEBC9554A36@dimse.com> On Jan 6, 2007, at 10:55 PM, dick at kb7zva.com wrote: >> We have the capacity to fully handle the entire >> CWOP load. > > Time will tell if the Core can or can't. Your numbers are wrong. > I had over 2700 users on my WX server today before I made the > change. We normally handled over 3000 WX users on those > servers. True, each connecting for three or four seconds every five to fifteen minutes. Those three thousand users you brag about are the equivalent of thirty or forty APRS users! > > Currently the Main Core is under stress and only picked up an > additional 1000 users. It's trying to shove data out at stress levels > and individual output queues are building to the point of > terminating users. Even after you should have been terribly embarrassed by your childish, destructive actions, you cannot resist spreading disinformation. The core is not under stress. The added load of your "1000 users" is barely a blip on the load. first has a peak connect number of 151 of 800, second is 247 of 250, and third is 298 of 600. The total load, at its peak, was 696 of 1650, or 42%. This is almost the same it always runs. It will without doubt take a week to get most of the CW users to switch, but by then the whole world will see you do not know what you are talking about! > > Who has Tier 2 addresses harcoded in their programs? I used hardcoded in the sense that it is the only server in their list. You and Phil saw to that, and now those users, the NWS, and the general public are suffering because you threw a hissy fit! > > If MADIS is solely mining data from your database, isn't that > a single_point_of_failure. findU has two completely independent servers, each of which feeds MADIS, and each of which has demonstrated its reliability. It has been a year or more since a findU failure lost data, none since the two findU servers have been in their current, high reliability locations. How long since you server caused lost data? > > Can we move ahead on some real solutions? The core already has. My opinion, rather obviously, is you have no place in this. Phil made it very clear that Tier two is severing ties with CWOP. If you have realized your mistake, if you really have any concern for the value of CWOP data, apologize to the users, and turn the port 23 servers on while we migrate people to other places. If you show that you understand the importance of CWOP data, maybe Russ and Dave will forgive you and include you in future plans. To be honest, I will continue to argue against, but frankly, you have no chance if you don't reverse your course. Steve K4HG From bobby at k5bl.net Sat Jan 6 22:51:51 2007 From: bobby at k5bl.net (Bobby Lentz) Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 22:51:51 -0600 Subject: [wxqc] wxqc Digest, Vol 27, Issue 7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45A07C6C.911C2.7ECE@pop.directnic.com> Hams. They can be a sensitive lot. Bobby K5BL At 05:49 PM 1/6/2007, you wrote: >Send wxqc mailing list submissions to > wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://server.gladstonefamily.net/mailman/listinfo/wxqc >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wxqc-request at lists.gladstonefamily.net > >You can reach the person managing the list at > wxqc-owner at lists.gladstonefamily.net > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of wxqc digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: [personal] CWOP server status (Russell.B.Chadwick at noaa.gov) > 2. Re: CWOP server status (Stan Sander) > 3. Re: CWOP server status (Christopher Gillard) > 4. wxqc Digest, Vol 27, Issue 5 (Lance) > 5. Re: CWOP server status (dick at kb7zva.com) > 6. Re: CWOP server status (Steve Dimse) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 01:38:42 +0000 (GMT) >From: Russell.B.Chadwick at noaa.gov >Subject: Re: [wxqc] [personal] CWOP server status >To: Discussion of weather data quality issues > >Message-ID: <2c9e082cef23.2cef232c9e08 at noaa.gov> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >John, > >I received an e-mail from Phil Pacier Saturday morning on my NOAA office >computer at about 1630 UTC that the Tier 2 server operators were >withdrawing support of CWOP. After checking, it appears that the first >server was deactivated at about 1610 UTC. >This action had not been discussed in any previous e-mail or in a >face-to-face meeting Dec 28 between Phil and I. > >The plan is to let CWOP members know as many ways as we can that they >should change server designation in their local software. If need be, I >will send out a very large mass e-mail (over 9,200 entries in the CWOP >database) next week. > >Again, I apologize for the inconvenience. > >Russ >-------------- next part -------------- >Given the tone of this email, it appears that this was a purposeful >pulling of the plug. But is it just possible that it wasn't >intentional and something else bad has happened. After all, >newengland continues to receive our data. >I rather enjoyed the back and forth of the recent posts regarding >the servers although I didn't understand much of it. I sure would >hate to think they would be that spiteful. > Jim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Russell.B.Chadwick at noaa.gov > To: wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net > Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 3:15 PM > Subject: [personal] [wxqc] CWOP server status > > > As of a few hours ago, the Tier 2 operators abruptly withdrew support > for CWOP traffic through their servers. We're sorry for any > inconvenience this causes CWOP members, but you will have to change the > server designation in your local software. More details at > http://www.wxqa.com/news.html > > Russ > > _______________________________________________ > wxqc mailing list > Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net > To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: > http://server.gladstonefamily.net/mailman/listinfo/wxqc > > The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: >http://server.gladstonefamily.net/pipermail/wxqc/attachments/20070107/4c8c84a8/attachment-0001.htm > >-------------- next part -------------- >_______________________________________________ >wxqc mailing list >Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net >To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: >http://server.gladstonefamily.net/mailman/listinfo/wxqc > >The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 18:38:32 -0700 >From: Stan Sander >Subject: Re: [wxqc] CWOP server status >To: Discussion of weather data quality issues > >Message-ID: <45A04F18.5010604 at sblan.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >Russell.B.Chadwick at noaa.gov wrote: > > As of a few hours ago, the Tier 2 operators abruptly withdrew support > > for CWOP traffic through their servers. We're sorry for any > > inconvenience this causes CWOP members, but you will have to change the > > server designation in your local software. More details at > > http://www.wxqa.com/news.html > > > > Russ > >For those using Linux or Mac OS X, and a Davis Vantage Pro station, I >have released a new version of my software at the usual distribution >point, http://www.cpan.org/authors/id/S/ST/STSANDER/ it currently hasn't >made it through the system and showed up, but it should shortly. The >latest version which *DOES NOT* include support for the tier 2 servers >is vanprod-2.3. CWOP data is sent to the core servers on port 14580. >At last check I think there were only 6 or so folks using it to send >data to CWOP, so not like it's got a huge following, but if anyone >wasn't aware of it, I've now made a shameless plug . > >73 de Stan, N5KJT > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 3 >Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 20:45:23 -0500 >From: "Christopher Gillard" >Subject: Re: [wxqc] CWOP server status >To: "Discussion of weather data quality issues" > >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >I guess this was a case of "I'm taking my ball home". Bunch of Nancys. > >Chris Gillard >CW2693 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Russell.B.Chadwick at noaa.gov > To: wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net > Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 06:15 PM > Subject: [wxqc] CWOP server status > > > As of a few hours ago, the Tier 2 operators abruptly withdrew support > for CWOP traffic through their servers. We're sorry for any > inconvenience this causes CWOP members, but you will have to change the > server designation in your local software. More details at > http://www.wxqa.com/news.html > > Russ > > _______________________________________________ > wxqc mailing list > Post messages to > wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net > To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: > >http://server.gladstonefamily.net/mailman/listinfo/wxqc > > The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: >http://server.gladstonefamily.net/pipermail/wxqc/attachments/20070106/c17b2817/attachment-0001.htm > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 4 >Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 17:55:40 -0800 >From: Lance >Subject: [wxqc] wxqc Digest, Vol 27, Issue 5 >To: wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net >Message-ID: <45A0531C.2070100 at mountainbase.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >I am using rotate.aprs.net on port 14580 through VPLive and all is >working fine. > >Lance >CW1020 > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 5 >Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 19:04:17 -0700 >From: dick at kb7zva.com >Subject: Re: [wxqc] CWOP server status >To: "Discussion of weather data quality issues" > >Message-ID: <20070107020417.B42F32F97A at ws6-3.us4.outblaze.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > How dramatic . Not everything seems as it is. Tier 2 decided to >do away with 4 WX port 23 entry point serv