From DeerTrail131 at aol.com  Wed Nov  1 10:23:01 2006
From: DeerTrail131 at aol.com (DeerTrail131 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 11:23:01 EST
Subject: [wxqc] Fwd: Wind Distribution  Problems
Message-ID: <571.9743f79.327a23e5@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 11/1/2006 9:18:59 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, DTC131  
writes:

_Deer Trail School Weather Station_ 
(http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/wxpage.cgi?call=CW0899!Deer%20Trail%20Schools&last=24) 
Still not working. Wind Distribution  Problems
 
I thought you were going to install a script to keep the  Weather Station 
programmed to start every 3  hours?



 
 
Ron Schaffer  
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From justdebs48 at hotmail.com  Wed Nov  1 12:32:11 2006
From: justdebs48 at hotmail.com (Debbie Brooks)
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 18:32:11 +0000
Subject: [wxqc] Madis Check
In-Reply-To: <4547F845.9070701@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BAY114-F329822283F68771A3C33EDCBF80@phx.gbl>

Hi Dave

My no. is CW6709, Kingston MA
your email has definately helped-now that my brain is fully caffinated! 
Thanks for your timely assistance
justdebs


>From: Dave Helms <dshelms at comcast.net>
>Reply-To: Discussion of weather data quality 
>issues<wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net>
>To: Discussion of weather data quality issues 
><wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net>
>Subject: Re: [wxqc] Madis Check
>Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 20:28:37 -0500
>
>For Bunky:
>
>Your pressure is consistently about 9.0 millibars too high:
>http://weather.gladstonefamily.net/site/C5347
>
>... if you lower you pressure by 9.0 millibars (or 0.81 inches of
>Mercury) on your WS2310 console, then your station will get a green
>check and thumbs up (after a few days).
>
>Deb:  Can't help you since I don't know your CW #.
>
>Hope this helps,
>
>Dave
>CW0351
>
>
>Debbie Brooks wrote:
>
> >Bunky
> >
> >me, also I've been reading all the email concerning this madis check, 
>what
> >it is what it's not-but my question is the same as yours
> >Deb CW, no head for remembering numbers*l*
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>From: "Bunky  K8SWR" <bunky1267 at gmail.com>
> >>Reply-To: Discussion of weather data quality
> >>issues<wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net>
> >>To: wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net
> >>Subject: [wxqc] Madis Check
> >>Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 15:01:30 -0500
> >>
> >>Hello All I'm new to this group and I have Weather station Lacrosse
> >>WS2310 Weatherstation and i use Weather diplay lite (free Version)  I
> >>run station CW5347   On the Madis Rating I got 2 Thumbs down for my
> >>Barometer reading,,,   Does someone know how to fix this
> >>
> >>--
> >>Bunky  K8SWR
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From dshelms at comcast.net  Wed Nov  1 19:38:27 2006
From: dshelms at comcast.net (Dave Helms)
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 20:38:27 -0500
Subject: [wxqc] Madis Check... CW6709
In-Reply-To: <BAY114-F329822283F68771A3C33EDCBF80@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY114-F329822283F68771A3C33EDCBF80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <45494C13.7000007@comcast.net>

Hi Debbie,

Here is your station's quality monitoring page:
http://weather.gladstonefamily.net/site/C6709

The page shows your "average barometric error is 4.1 millibars".  In 
other words, when you station's (altimeter) pressure and the surrounding 
station's pressures are averaged together, your station's pressure is 
4.1 miilibars lower than the neighborhood pressure average.  Ah, but are 
your neighbors in a conspiracy to deceive you into setting your pressure 
incorrectly?  Maybe!  The sure thing to do is monitor the nearby airport 
reports (ASOS and AWOS stations) which have calibrated altimeter 
pressure reports.  In your case, KPYM (Plymouth Municipal Airport) and 
KGHG (Marshfield Airport) are the stations you should try to match 
(during calm winds, not during a storm). 

You can retreive the latest airport reports using this web page:
http://adds.aviationweather.gov/metars/

I suggest raising your pressure 4.1 millibars (or 0.12 inches of 
Mercury, if that is the pressure unit your station console is set to) 
and see what the QC statistics say about your reports after a week or so. 

Hope this helps,

Dave
CW0351

Debbie Brooks wrote:

>Hi Dave
>
>My no. is CW6709, Kingston MA
>your email has definately helped-now that my brain is fully caffinated! 
>Thanks for your timely assistance
>justdebs
>
>
>  
>
>>From: Dave Helms <dshelms at comcast.net>
>>Reply-To: Discussion of weather data quality 
>>issues<wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net>
>>To: Discussion of weather data quality issues 
>><wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net>
>>Subject: Re: [wxqc] Madis Check
>>Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 20:28:37 -0500
>>
>>For Bunky:
>>
>>Your pressure is consistently about 9.0 millibars too high:
>>http://weather.gladstonefamily.net/site/C5347
>>
>>... if you lower you pressure by 9.0 millibars (or 0.81 inches of
>>Mercury) on your WS2310 console, then your station will get a green
>>check and thumbs up (after a few days).
>>
>>Deb:  Can't help you since I don't know your CW #.
>>
>>Hope this helps,
>>
>>Dave
>>CW0351
>>
>>
>>Debbie Brooks wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Bunky
>>>
>>>me, also I've been reading all the email concerning this madis check, 
>>>      
>>>
>>what
>>    
>>
>>>it is what it's not-but my question is the same as yours
>>>Deb CW, no head for remembering numbers*l*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>From: "Bunky  K8SWR" <bunky1267 at gmail.com>
>>>>Reply-To: Discussion of weather data quality
>>>>issues<wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net>
>>>>To: wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net
>>>>Subject: [wxqc] Madis Check
>>>>Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 15:01:30 -0500
>>>>
>>>>Hello All I'm new to this group and I have Weather station Lacrosse
>>>>WS2310 Weatherstation and i use Weather diplay lite (free Version)  I
>>>>run station CW5347   On the Madis Rating I got 2 Thumbs down for my
>>>>Barometer reading,,,   Does someone know how to fix this
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Bunky  K8SWR
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>wxqc mailing list
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From kdmiller at oldsgmail.com  Wed Nov  1 20:00:19 2006
From: kdmiller at oldsgmail.com (Keith Miller)
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 21:00:19 -0500
Subject: [wxqc] Madis Check... CW6709
In-Reply-To: <45494C13.7000007@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CC76E603926D4C71A2F8373ACFF50637@sauron>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net
> [mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net]On Behalf Of Dave
Helms
> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:38 PM
> To: Discussion of weather data quality issues
> Subject: Re: [wxqc] Madis Check... CW6709
>
>

>
> You can retreive the latest airport reports using this web page:
> http://adds.aviationweather.gov/metars/
>

This might be a bit easier to read:
http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/current/KPYM.html
and
http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/current/KGHG.html

The page names are the airport code, so the same basic link
works for all airports, just change the page name to the
airport code.


Keith
--
CW5250 => http://weather.stadhaugh.com



From justdebs48 at hotmail.com  Wed Nov  1 20:35:48 2006
From: justdebs48 at hotmail.com (Debbie Brooks)
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 02:35:48 +0000
Subject: [wxqc] Madis Check... CW6709
In-Reply-To: <45494C13.7000007@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BAY114-F28552DACB795D9A785EE0BCBFF0@phx.gbl>

Thanks Dave, Hows tonight treatin' ya?   Boy, I liked my LaCross station 
better, than the one I have now-previously-the manual included calibrations 
and such. I am so non-tech*l* just love the weather, but need my records to 
reflect accurate conditions - The LaCross station allowed manually setting 
the altitude into the base-Im at 9 meters above SL, what effect would that 
have on this -4 mm from normal- Plym is at 29.96mmHg, Marshfield @ 
29.95mmHg-mines @29.80Hgmm, look forward to hearing more from you*s*
debs


>From: Dave Helms <dshelms at comcast.net>
>Reply-To: Discussion of weather data quality 
>issues<wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net>
>To: Discussion of weather data quality issues 
><wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net>
>Subject: Re: [wxqc] Madis Check... CW6709
>Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 20:38:27 -0500
>
>Hi Debbie,
>
>Here is your station's quality monitoring page:
>http://weather.gladstonefamily.net/site/C6709
>
>The page shows your "average barometric error is 4.1 millibars".  In
>other words, when you station's (altimeter) pressure and the surrounding
>station's pressures are averaged together, your station's pressure is
>4.1 miilibars lower than the neighborhood pressure average.  Ah, but are
>your neighbors in a conspiracy to deceive you into setting your pressure
>incorrectly?  Maybe!  The sure thing to do is monitor the nearby airport
>reports (ASOS and AWOS stations) which have calibrated altimeter
>pressure reports.  In your case, KPYM (Plymouth Municipal Airport) and
>KGHG (Marshfield Airport) are the stations you should try to match
>(during calm winds, not during a storm).
>
>You can retreive the latest airport reports using this web page:
>http://adds.aviationweather.gov/metars/
>
>I suggest raising your pressure 4.1 millibars (or 0.12 inches of
>Mercury, if that is the pressure unit your station console is set to)
>and see what the QC statistics say about your reports after a week or so.
>
>Hope this helps,
>
>Dave
>CW0351
>
>Debbie Brooks wrote:
>
> >Hi Dave
> >
> >My no. is CW6709, Kingston MA
> >your email has definately helped-now that my brain is fully caffinated!
> >Thanks for your timely assistance
> >justdebs
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>From: Dave Helms <dshelms at comcast.net>
> >>Reply-To: Discussion of weather data quality
> >>issues<wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net>
> >>To: Discussion of weather data quality issues
> >><wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net>
> >>Subject: Re: [wxqc] Madis Check
> >>Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 20:28:37 -0500
> >>
> >>For Bunky:
> >>
> >>Your pressure is consistently about 9.0 millibars too high:
> >>http://weather.gladstonefamily.net/site/C5347
> >>
> >>... if you lower you pressure by 9.0 millibars (or 0.81 inches of
> >>Mercury) on your WS2310 console, then your station will get a green
> >>check and thumbs up (after a few days).
> >>
> >>Deb:  Can't help you since I don't know your CW #.
> >>
> >>Hope this helps,
> >>
> >>Dave
> >>CW0351
> >>
> >>
> >>Debbie Brooks wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Bunky
> >>>
> >>>me, also I've been reading all the email concerning this madis check,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>what
> >>
> >>
> >>>it is what it's not-but my question is the same as yours
> >>>Deb CW, no head for remembering numbers*l*
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>From: "Bunky  K8SWR" <bunky1267 at gmail.com>
> >>>>Reply-To: Discussion of weather data quality
> >>>>issues<wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net>
> >>>>To: wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net
> >>>>Subject: [wxqc] Madis Check
> >>>>Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 15:01:30 -0500
> >>>>
> >>>>Hello All I'm new to this group and I have Weather station Lacrosse
> >>>>WS2310 Weatherstation and i use Weather diplay lite (free Version)  I
> >>>>run station CW5347   On the Madis Rating I got 2 Thumbs down for my
> >>>>Barometer reading,,,   Does someone know how to fix this
> >>>>
> >>>>--
> >>>>Bunky  K8SWR
> >>>>_______________________________________________
> >>>>wxqc mailing list
> >>>>Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net
> >>>>To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to:
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> >>>>
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> >>>>
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From justdebs48 at hotmail.com  Wed Nov  1 20:39:53 2006
From: justdebs48 at hotmail.com (Debbie Brooks)
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 02:39:53 +0000
Subject: [wxqc] Madis Check... CW6709
In-Reply-To: <CC76E603926D4C71A2F8373ACFF50637@sauron>
Message-ID: <BAY114-F374885E02C5DE332B0C940CBFF0@phx.gbl>

Yes, it is easier Thanks for the help, justdebs


>From: Keith Miller <kdmiller at oldsgmail.com>
>Reply-To: Discussion of weather data quality 
>issues<wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net>
>To: 'Discussion of weather data quality 
>issues'<wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net>
>Subject: Re: [wxqc] Madis Check... CW6709
>Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 21:00:19 -0500
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net
> > [mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net]On Behalf Of Dave
>Helms
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:38 PM
> > To: Discussion of weather data quality issues
> > Subject: Re: [wxqc] Madis Check... CW6709
> >
> >
>
> >
> > You can retreive the latest airport reports using this web page:
> > http://adds.aviationweather.gov/metars/
> >
>
>This might be a bit easier to read:
>http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/current/KPYM.html
>and
>http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/current/KGHG.html
>
>The page names are the airport code, so the same basic link
>works for all airports, just change the page name to the
>airport code.
>
>
>Keith
>--
>CW5250 => http://weather.stadhaugh.com
>
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From bfgiii at adelphia.net  Wed Nov  1 21:14:38 2006
From: bfgiii at adelphia.net (bfgiii at adelphia.net)
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 22:14:38 -0500
Subject: [wxqc] Madis Check... CW6709
Message-ID: <31859160.1162437278230.JavaMail.root@web13>

Hi Debbie,

There's a easier page available for checking KGHG's data:

http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/current/KGHG.html

Substitute KPYM in the address for Plymouth.

Nice to see that someone near by cares about data quality!

-Ben G.
 CW0467


---- Dave Helms <dshelms at comcast.net> wrote: 

=============
Hi Debbie,

Here is your station's quality monitoring page:
http://weather.gladstonefamily.net/site/C6709

The page shows your "average barometric error is 4.1 millibars".  In 
other words, when you station's (altimeter) pressure and the surrounding 
station's pressures are averaged together, your station's pressure is 
4.1 miilibars lower than the neighborhood pressure average.  Ah, but are 
your neighbors in a conspiracy to deceive you into setting your pressure 
incorrectly?  Maybe!  The sure thing to do is monitor the nearby airport 
reports (ASOS and AWOS stations) which have calibrated altimeter 
pressure reports.  In your case, KPYM (Plymouth Municipal Airport) and 
KGHG (Marshfield Airport) are the stations you should try to match 
(during calm winds, not during a storm). 

You can retreive the latest airport reports using this web page:
http://adds.aviationweather.gov/metars/

I suggest raising your pressure 4.1 millibars (or 0.12 inches of 
Mercury, if that is the pressure unit your station console is set to) 
and see what the QC statistics say about your reports after a week or so. 

Hope this helps,

Dave
CW0351

Debbie Brooks wrote:

>Hi Dave
>
>My no. is CW6709, Kingston MA
>your email has definately helped-now that my brain is fully caffinated! 
>Thanks for your timely assistance
>justdebs
>
>
>  
>
>>From: Dave Helms <dshelms at comcast.net>
>>Reply-To: Discussion of weather data quality 
>>issues<wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net>
>>To: Discussion of weather data quality issues 
>><wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net>
>>Subject: Re: [wxqc] Madis Check
>>Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 20:28:37 -0500
>>
>>For Bunky:
>>
>>Your pressure is consistently about 9.0 millibars too high:
>>http://weather.gladstonefamily.net/site/C5347
>>
>>... if you lower you pressure by 9.0 millibars (or 0.81 inches of
>>Mercury) on your WS2310 console, then your station will get a green
>>check and thumbs up (after a few days).
>>
>>Deb:  Can't help you since I don't know your CW #.
>>
>>Hope this helps,
>>
>>Dave
>>CW0351
>>
>>
>>Debbie Brooks wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Bunky
>>>
>>>me, also I've been reading all the email concerning this madis check, 
>>>      
>>>
>>what
>>    
>>
>>>it is what it's not-but my question is the same as yours
>>>Deb CW, no head for remembering numbers*l*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>From: "Bunky  K8SWR" <bunky1267 at gmail.com>
>>>>Reply-To: Discussion of weather data quality
>>>>issues<wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net>
>>>>To: wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net
>>>>Subject: [wxqc] Madis Check
>>>>Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 15:01:30 -0500
>>>>
>>>>Hello All I'm new to this group and I have Weather station Lacrosse
>>>>WS2310 Weatherstation and i use Weather diplay lite (free Version)  I
>>>>run station CW5347   On the Madis Rating I got 2 Thumbs down for my
>>>>Barometer reading,,,   Does someone know how to fix this
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Bunky  K8SWR
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>wxqc mailing list
>>>>Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net
>>>>To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to:
>>>>http://server.gladstonefamily.net/mailman/listinfo/wxqc
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
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>>>Use your PC to make calls at very low rates
>>>https://voiceoam.pcs.v2s.live.com/partnerredirect.aspx
>>>
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From kdmiller at oldsgmail.com  Wed Nov  1 21:18:38 2006
From: kdmiller at oldsgmail.com (Keith Miller)
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 22:18:38 -0500
Subject: [wxqc] Madis Check... CW6709
In-Reply-To: <BAY114-F374885E02C5DE332B0C940CBFF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <5898B9770BBA482482FA82282719B3BE@sauron>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net
> [mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net]On Behalf Of Debbie
> Brooks
> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 9:40 PM
> To: wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net
> Subject: Re: [wxqc] Madis Check... CW6709
>
>
> Yes, it is easier Thanks for the help, justdebs
>

I've found the report time is usually just before the top
of the hour, and the pages update about 10 minutes after.
So, on a day the barometer is steady, record your barometer
around the minute the station usually does it's report,
then check the webpage after it's updated.

At first, just get a feel for the difference, then make a
change and see how it works out.

Another very useful page would be:
http://weather.gladstonefamily.net/qchart/C6709
at the bottom you can add other stations, such as KPYM and
KGHG, to the graphs and actually see the difference on the
graphs. I like to compare the analysis, local AWOS/ASOS and
mine. If all three are close, then all is probably good. If
one is way off, there's a problem.


Keith
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From jjames at jameshillfarm.com  Wed Nov  1 23:16:46 2006
From: jjames at jameshillfarm.com (John James)
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 21:16:46 -0800
Subject: [wxqc] Understanding the Quality Report
Message-ID: <200611020516.kA25GrZW060162@jameshillfarm.com>

I have two weather stations, and I oftentimes 
seem to get an analysis report that has the 
characteristics below:  there are errors reported 
in the summary, but the lines in question don't 
show up; I get a summary for one station but not 
the other; I get errors for one station but not 
the other. Things don't seem to report 
consistently. Actually, this is the first time 
I've had this few errors, but I'm used to having 
the report just not be consistent. I think there 
is something odd about the logic trying to gather 
report data for both stations and report them 
both in one mail message. Does that make sense?

//John

>Date: 2 Nov 2006 02:21:49 -0000
>From: Weather Quality <weather-qc at nospam.gladstonefamily.net>
>To: jjames at jameshillfarm.com
>Subject: Weather data quality report for 2006-11-01
>User-agent: Automated weather quality control 
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>DateUTCSITEAlt (mb)Temp ?FDewPt ?FWind DirSpeed knts
>01-NOV-2006Errs CW4661 0/86 0/86 1/86 0/86 0/86
>01-NOV-2006Errs CW4663 0/87 1/87 0/87 0/87 0/87
>01-NOV-2006Smry CW4663+0.20.43+12.17-32.17-32126+0.40.6
>
>Note that times are in UTC. The values displayed 
>are 'Observed Error' The error value is 
>'analysis - observed'. I.e. if your observed 
>value is higher than the computed value, then 
>the error will be negative. The error readings 
>are listed in bold. The row with the time of 
>'Smry' is a daily summary and the data is 'mean 
>standard-deviation' for each observation during 
>that day. The 'Errs' row contains the number of 
>samples in error / the number of samples (as 
>seen by MADIS). This may indicate more 
>observations that are shown above. This is due 
>to the differing limits used by this reporting 
>program and the MADIS program itself.
>
>For more information:
>    * 
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From dshelms at comcast.net  Wed Nov  1 23:33:56 2006
From: dshelms at comcast.net (Dave Helms)
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 00:33:56 -0500
Subject: [wxqc] Madis Check... CW6709
In-Reply-To: <BAY114-F28552DACB795D9A785EE0BCBFF0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY114-F28552DACB795D9A785EE0BCBFF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <45498344.6040301@comcast.net>

Hey Deb,

In your example, you would raise the pressure by 00.15 inches (not 
milimeters or mm) of Mercury (Hg).  When dealing with altimeter, it is a 
pressure reduced pressure and does not need additional elevation info.

OK, 9 meter (30 foot) MSL elevation and its impact on pressure 
reduction?  Actually, not much.  You can estimate that pressure will 
decrease 00.001 inch of Mercury (Hg) per foot change in elevation near 
sea level. 

Dave
CW0351

Debbie Brooks wrote:

>Thanks Dave, Hows tonight treatin' ya?   Boy, I liked my LaCross station 
>better, than the one I have now-previously-the manual included calibrations 
>and such. I am so non-tech*l* just love the weather, but need my records to 
>reflect accurate conditions - The LaCross station allowed manually setting 
>the altitude into the base-Im at 9 meters above SL, what effect would that 
>have on this -4 mm from normal- Plym is at 29.96mmHg, Marshfield @ 
>29.95mmHg-mines @29.80Hgmm, look forward to hearing more from you*s*
>debs
>
>
>  
>
>>From: Dave Helms <dshelms at comcast.net>
>>Reply-To: Discussion of weather data quality 
>>issues<wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net>
>>To: Discussion of weather data quality issues 
>><wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net>
>>Subject: Re: [wxqc] Madis Check... CW6709
>>Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 20:38:27 -0500
>>
>>Hi Debbie,
>>
>>Here is your station's quality monitoring page:
>>http://weather.gladstonefamily.net/site/C6709
>>
>>The page shows your "average barometric error is 4.1 millibars".  In
>>other words, when you station's (altimeter) pressure and the surrounding
>>station's pressures are averaged together, your station's pressure is
>>4.1 miilibars lower than the neighborhood pressure average.  Ah, but are
>>your neighbors in a conspiracy to deceive you into setting your pressure
>>incorrectly?  Maybe!  The sure thing to do is monitor the nearby airport
>>reports (ASOS and AWOS stations) which have calibrated altimeter
>>pressure reports.  In your case, KPYM (Plymouth Municipal Airport) and
>>KGHG (Marshfield Airport) are the stations you should try to match
>>(during calm winds, not during a storm).
>>
>>You can retreive the latest airport reports using this web page:
>>http://adds.aviationweather.gov/metars/
>>
>>I suggest raising your pressure 4.1 millibars (or 0.12 inches of
>>Mercury, if that is the pressure unit your station console is set to)
>>and see what the QC statistics say about your reports after a week or so.
>>
>>Hope this helps,
>>
>>Dave
>>CW0351
>>
>>Debbie Brooks wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Hi Dave
>>>
>>>My no. is CW6709, Kingston MA
>>>your email has definately helped-now that my brain is fully caffinated!
>>>Thanks for your timely assistance
>>>justdebs
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>From: Dave Helms <dshelms at comcast.net>
>>>>Reply-To: Discussion of weather data quality
>>>>issues<wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net>
>>>>To: Discussion of weather data quality issues
>>>><wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net>
>>>>Subject: Re: [wxqc] Madis Check
>>>>Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 20:28:37 -0500
>>>>
>>>>For Bunky:
>>>>
>>>>Your pressure is consistently about 9.0 millibars too high:
>>>>http://weather.gladstonefamily.net/site/C5347
>>>>
>>>>... if you lower you pressure by 9.0 millibars (or 0.81 inches of
>>>>Mercury) on your WS2310 console, then your station will get a green
>>>>check and thumbs up (after a few days).
>>>>
>>>>Deb:  Can't help you since I don't know your CW #.
>>>>
>>>>Hope this helps,
>>>>
>>>>Dave
>>>>CW0351
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Debbie Brooks wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>Bunky
>>>>>
>>>>>me, also I've been reading all the email concerning this madis check,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>what
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>it is what it's not-but my question is the same as yours
>>>>>Deb CW, no head for remembering numbers*l*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>>>From: "Bunky  K8SWR" <bunky1267 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>Reply-To: Discussion of weather data quality
>>>>>>issues<wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net>
>>>>>>To: wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net
>>>>>>Subject: [wxqc] Madis Check
>>>>>>Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 15:01:30 -0500
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hello All I'm new to this group and I have Weather station Lacrosse
>>>>>>WS2310 Weatherstation and i use Weather diplay lite (free Version)  I
>>>>>>run station CW5347   On the Madis Rating I got 2 Thumbs down for my
>>>>>>Barometer reading,,,   Does someone know how to fix this
>>>>>>
>>>>>>--
>>>>>>Bunky  K8SWR
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From philip at gladstonefamily.net  Thu Nov  2 08:05:25 2006
From: philip at gladstonefamily.net (Philip Gladstone)
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 09:05:25 -0500
Subject: [wxqc] Madis Check... CW6709
In-Reply-To: <45494C13.7000007@comcast.net>
References: <BAY114-F329822283F68771A3C33EDCBF80@phx.gbl>
	<45494C13.7000007@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4549FB25.1050502@gladstonefamily.net>

If you go down to the 'Neighboring stations' area of the page, then you 
will see KPYM and KGHG listed. The numbers to the right are the average 
differences between your readings and their readings.

If you change the period to '7 days' (link in 'Data status' section), 
you will see that the offset to KPYM is 3.4 mBar, and to KGHG is 5.5 
mBar. This indicates that Dave's recommendation of 4.1 adjustment is 
good and that the other local stations are probably no conspiring 
against you!

Philip

Dave Helms wrote:
> Hi Debbie,
> 
> Here is your station's quality monitoring page:
> http://weather.gladstonefamily.net/site/C6709
> 
> The page shows your "average barometric error is 4.1 millibars".  In 
> other words, when you station's (altimeter) pressure and the surrounding 
> station's pressures are averaged together, your station's pressure is 
> 4.1 miilibars lower than the neighborhood pressure average.  Ah, but are 
> your neighbors in a conspiracy to deceive you into setting your pressure 
> incorrectly?  Maybe!  The sure thing to do is monitor the nearby airport 
> reports (ASOS and AWOS stations) which have calibrated altimeter 
> pressure reports.  In your case, KPYM (Plymouth Municipal Airport) and 
> KGHG (Marshfield Airport) are the stations you should try to match 
> (during calm winds, not during a storm). 
> 
> You can retreive the latest airport reports using this web page:
> http://adds.aviationweather.gov/metars/
> 
> I suggest raising your pressure 4.1 millibars (or 0.12 inches of 
> Mercury, if that is the pressure unit your station console is set to) 
> and see what the QC statistics say about your reports after a week or so. 
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
> Dave
> CW0351
> 
> Debbie Brooks wrote:
> 
>> Hi Dave
>>
>> My no. is CW6709, Kingston MA
>> your email has definately helped-now that my brain is fully caffinated! 
>> Thanks for your timely assistance
>> justdebs
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>>> From: Dave Helms <dshelms at comcast.net>
>>> Reply-To: Discussion of weather data quality 
>>> issues<wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net>
>>> To: Discussion of weather data quality issues 
>>> <wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [wxqc] Madis Check
>>> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 20:28:37 -0500
>>>
>>> For Bunky:
>>>
>>> Your pressure is consistently about 9.0 millibars too high:
>>> http://weather.gladstonefamily.net/site/C5347
>>>
>>> ... if you lower you pressure by 9.0 millibars (or 0.81 inches of
>>> Mercury) on your WS2310 console, then your station will get a green
>>> check and thumbs up (after a few days).
>>>
>>> Deb:  Can't help you since I don't know your CW #.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps,
>>>
>>> Dave
>>> CW0351
>>>
>>>
>>> Debbie Brooks wrote:
>>>
>>>    
>>>
>>>> Bunky
>>>>
>>>> me, also I've been reading all the email concerning this madis check, 
>>>>      
>>>>
>>> what
>>>    
>>>
>>>> it is what it's not-but my question is the same as yours
>>>> Deb CW, no head for remembering numbers*l*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>      
>>>>
>>>>> From: "Bunky  K8SWR" <bunky1267 at gmail.com>
>>>>> Reply-To: Discussion of weather data quality
>>>>> issues<wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net>
>>>>> To: wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net
>>>>> Subject: [wxqc] Madis Check
>>>>> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 15:01:30 -0500
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello All I'm new to this group and I have Weather station Lacrosse
>>>>> WS2310 Weatherstation and i use Weather diplay lite (free Version)  I
>>>>> run station CW5347   On the Madis Rating I got 2 Thumbs down for my
>>>>> Barometer reading,,,   Does someone know how to fix this
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Bunky  K8SWR
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From philip at gladstonefamily.net  Thu Nov  2 08:09:24 2006
From: philip at gladstonefamily.net (Philip Gladstone)
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 09:09:24 -0500
Subject: [wxqc] Understanding the Quality Report
In-Reply-To: <200611020516.kA25GrZW060162@jameshillfarm.com>
References: <200611020516.kA25GrZW060162@jameshillfarm.com>
Message-ID: <4549FC14.1020003@gladstonefamily.net>

This does indeed look like a problem. I was trying to be 'clever' and 
combine all the emails for one person into a single message, but it 
doesn't seem to work quite right.

I'll take a look at it over the weekend.

Philip

John James wrote:
> I have two weather stations, and I oftentimes seem to get an analysis 
> report that has the characteristics below:  there are errors reported in 
> the summary, but the lines in question don't show up; I get a summary 
> for one station but not the other; I get errors for one station but not 
> the other. Things don't seem to report consistently. Actually, this is 
> the first time I've had this few errors, but I'm used to having the 
> report just not be consistent. I think there is something odd about the 
> logic trying to gather report data for both stations and report them 
> both in one mail message. Does that make sense?
> 
> //John
> 
>> Date: 2 Nov 2006 02:21:49 -0000
>> From: Weather Quality <weather-qc at nospam.gladstonefamily.net>
>> To: jjames at jameshillfarm.com
>> Subject: Weather data quality report for 2006-11-01
>> User-agent: Automated weather quality control sender: 
>> http://weather.gladstonefamily.net <http://weather.gladstonefamily.net/>
>>
>> DateUTCSITEAlt (mb)Temp ?FDewPt ?FWind DirSpeed knts
>> 01-NOV-2006Errs CW4661 0/86 0/86 1/86 0/86 0/86
>> 01-NOV-2006Errs CW4663 0/87 1/87 0/87 0/87 0/87
>> 01-NOV-2006Smry CW4663+0.20.43+12.17-32.17-32126+0.40.6
>>
>> Note that times are in UTC. The values displayed are 'Observed Error' 
>> The error value is 'analysis - observed'. I.e. if your observed value 
>> is higher than the computed value, then the error will be negative. 
>> The error readings are listed in *bold*. The row with the time of 
>> 'Smry' is a daily summary and the data is 'mean standard-deviation' 
>> for each observation during that day. The 'Errs' row contains the 
>> number of samples in error / the number of samples (as seen by MADIS). 
>> This may indicate more observations that are shown above. This is due 
>> to the differing limits used by this reporting program and the MADIS 
>> program itself.
>>
>> For more information:
>>
>>     * Daily graph
>>       <http://weather.gladstonefamily.net/qchart/C4663,C4661?date=20061102>.
>>
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From bob at ourfishadventures.com  Thu Nov  2 08:21:01 2006
From: bob at ourfishadventures.com (Bob Rathke)
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 09:21:01 -0500
Subject: [wxqc] FW: Weather data quality report for 2006-11-01
References: <20061102022145.7948.qmail@charon.gladstonefamily.net>
Message-ID: <4449B495A460444695E5650BD2ACC855054282@rcserver-xeon.rcdomain.ofc>

Hi folks,
 
New guy here. I have been getting "dinged" the last few days. I think my data is correct. It looks like a couple of "bad" stations in the area are throwing off the curve. I have not been able to locate an email address for the station owners to see if they can correct.
 
Any Advice would be appreciated!
 
Thanks!
 
My Station:cw6551
 
Misreading stations:
co736
c1370

________________________________

From: Weather Quality [mailto:weather-qc at nospam.gladstonefamily.net]
Sent: Wed 11/1/2006 9:21 PM
To: Bob Rathke
Subject: Weather data quality report for 2006-11-01



   DATE     UTC      SITE  *   ALT    * POT TEMP *  DEW PNT *    DD    *    FF   
                           *   (MB)   *  (DEG F) *  (DEG F) *   (DEG)  *   (KNT) 
01-NOV-2006 Errs    CW6551 *   0/94   *   0/94   *   3/94   *   0/94   *   0/94  

Note that times are in UTC. The values displayed are  'Observed (error)'
The error value is 'analysis - observed'. I.e. if your observed value is higher
than the computed value, then the error will be negative. You have to pick out
the reading that is in error. The row with the time of 'Smry' is a daily summary
and the data is  'mean(standard deviation)' for each observation during that day.

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From jjames at jameshillfarm.com  Thu Nov  2 08:21:52 2006
From: jjames at jameshillfarm.com (John James)
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 06:21:52 -0800
Subject: [wxqc] Understanding the Quality Report
In-Reply-To: <4549FC14.1020003@gladstonefamily.net>
References: <200611020516.kA25GrZW060162@jameshillfarm.com>
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Message-ID: <200611021421.kA2ELw4e038105@jameshillfarm.com>

Well, as further info, it's generally never 
worked. I had so many errors for a time on one 
site I thought that was just confounding things 
quite a bit, and it made it a bit tough for me to 
determine if I should have been getting information for both stations.

FWIW, were it my vote, I'd probably be happier 
with an email for each station separately, rather 
than rolled up into one chart. Having the data 
interspersed does nothing for me, and probably 
makes it hard to sift through anomalies. However, 
my view is based on the fact my two stations are 
hundreds of miles apart; if I had two stations in 
close proximity and were trying to coordinate 
things, I might feel differently. YMMV.

Thanks for looking into it.

//John


At 06:09 AM 11/2/2006, you wrote:
>This does indeed look like a problem. I was 
>trying to be 'clever' and combine all the emails 
>for one person into a single message, but it doesn't seem to work quite right.
>
>I'll take a look at it over the weekend.
>
>Philip
>
>John James wrote:
>>I have two weather stations, and I oftentimes 
>>seem to get an analysis report that has the 
>>characteristics below:  there are errors 
>>reported in the summary, but the lines in 
>>question don't show up; I get a summary for one 
>>station but not the other; I get errors for one 
>>station but not the other. Things don't seem to 
>>report consistently. Actually, this is the 
>>first time I've had this few errors, but I'm 
>>used to having the report just not be 
>>consistent. I think there is something odd 
>>about the logic trying to gather report data 
>>for both stations and report them both in one 
>>mail message. Does that make sense?
>>//John
>>
>>>Date: 2 Nov 2006 02:21:49 -0000
>>>From: Weather Quality <weather-qc at nospam.gladstonefamily.net>
>>>To: jjames at jameshillfarm.com
>>>Subject: Weather data quality report for 2006-11-01
>>>User-agent: Automated weather quality control 
>>>sender: http://weather.gladstonefamily.net 
>>><http://weather.gladstonefamily.net/>
>>>
>>>DateUTCSITEAlt (mb)Temp ?FDewPt ?FWind DirSpeed knts
>>>01-NOV-2006Errs CW4661 0/86 0/86 1/86 0/86 0/86
>>>01-NOV-2006Errs CW4663 0/87 1/87 0/87 0/87 0/87
>>>01-NOV-2006Smry CW4663+0.20.43+12.17-32.17-32126+0.40.6
>>>
>>>Note that times are in UTC. The values 
>>>displayed are 'Observed Error' The error value 
>>>is 'analysis - observed'. I.e. if your 
>>>observed value is higher than the computed 
>>>value, then the error will be negative. The 
>>>error readings are listed in *bold*. The row 
>>>with the time of 'Smry' is a daily summary and 
>>>the data is 'mean standard-deviation' for each 
>>>observation during that day. The 'Errs' row 
>>>contains the number of samples in error / the 
>>>number of samples (as seen by MADIS). This may 
>>>indicate more observations that are shown 
>>>above. This is due to the differing limits 
>>>used by this reporting program and the MADIS program itself.
>>>
>>>For more information:
>>>
>>>     * Daily graph
>>> 
>>><http://weather.gladstonefamily.net/qchart/C4663,C4661?date=20061102>.
>>>
>>>     * Quality checking information <http://www.wxqa.com>.
>>>     * WXQC Mailing list
>>>       <http://weather.gladstonefamily.net/mailman/listinfo/wxqc>.
>>>To stop this email, just click here 
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>>>
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>>CW4661, CW4663
>>Web:  < http://www.jameshillfarm.com/>
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From justdebs48 at hotmail.com  Thu Nov  2 12:30:24 2006
From: justdebs48 at hotmail.com (Debbie Brooks)
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 18:30:24 +0000
Subject: [wxqc] Madis Check... CW6709
In-Reply-To: <45498344.6040301@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BAY114-F171C9C435AAD2873E14839CBFF0@phx.gbl>

Thank you for your quick and helpful response-now I'm trying to change 
batteries all about 3yrs old-and it's raining crap*l*
talk to ya soon
Deb

>From: Dave Helms <dshelms at comcast.net>
>Reply-To: Discussion of weather data quality 
>issues<wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net>
>To: Discussion of weather data quality issues 
><wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net>
>Subject: Re: [wxqc] Madis Check... CW6709
>Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 00:33:56 -0500
>
>Hey Deb,
>
>In your example, you would raise the pressure by 00.15 inches (not
>milimeters or mm) of Mercury (Hg).  When dealing with altimeter, it is a
>pressure reduced pressure and does not need additional elevation info.
>
>OK, 9 meter (30 foot) MSL elevation and its impact on pressure
>reduction?  Actually, not much.  You can estimate that pressure will
>decrease 00.001 inch of Mercury (Hg) per foot change in elevation near
>sea level.
>
>Dave
>CW0351
>
>Debbie Brooks wrote:
>
> >Thanks Dave, Hows tonight treatin' ya?   Boy, I liked my LaCross station
> >better, than the one I have now-previously-the manual included 
>calibrations
> >and such. I am so non-tech*l* just love the weather, but need my records 
>to
> >reflect accurate conditions - The LaCross station allowed manually 
>setting
> >the altitude into the base-Im at 9 meters above SL, what effect would 
>that
> >have on this -4 mm from normal- Plym is at 29.96mmHg, Marshfield @
> >29.95mmHg-mines @29.80Hgmm, look forward to hearing more from you*s*
> >debs
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>From: Dave Helms <dshelms at comcast.net>
> >>Reply-To: Discussion of weather data quality
> >>issues<wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net>
> >>To: Discussion of weather data quality issues
> >><wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net>
> >>Subject: Re: [wxqc] Madis Check... CW6709
> >>Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 20:38:27 -0500
> >>
> >>Hi Debbie,
> >>
> >>Here is your station's quality monitoring page:
> >>http://weather.gladstonefamily.net/site/C6709
> >>
> >>The page shows your "average barometric error is 4.1 millibars".  In
> >>other words, when you station's (altimeter) pressure and the surrounding
> >>station's pressures are averaged together, your station's pressure is
> >>4.1 miilibars lower than the neighborhood pressure average.  Ah, but are
> >>your neighbors in a conspiracy to deceive you into setting your pressure
> >>incorrectly?  Maybe!  The sure thing to do is monitor the nearby airport
> >>reports (ASOS and AWOS stations) which have calibrated altimeter
> >>pressure reports.  In your case, KPYM (Plymouth Municipal Airport) and
> >>KGHG (Marshfield Airport) are the stations you should try to match
> >>(during calm winds, not during a storm).
> >>
> >>You can retreive the latest airport reports using this web page:
> >>http://adds.aviationweather.gov/metars/
> >>
> >>I suggest raising your pressure 4.1 millibars (or 0.12 inches of
> >>Mercury, if that is the pressure unit your station console is set to)
> >>and see what the QC statistics say about your reports after a week or 
>so.
> >>
> >>Hope this helps,
> >>
> >>Dave
> >>CW0351
> >>
> >>Debbie Brooks wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Hi Dave
> >>>
> >>>My no. is CW6709, Kingston MA
> >>>your email has definately helped-now that my brain is fully caffinated!
> >>>Thanks for your timely assistance
> >>>justdebs
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>From: Dave Helms <dshelms at comcast.net>
> >>>>Reply-To: Discussion of weather data quality
> >>>>issues<wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net>
> >>>>To: Discussion of weather data quality issues
> >>>><wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net>
> >>>>Subject: Re: [wxqc] Madis Check
> >>>>Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 20:28:37 -0500
> >>>>
> >>>>For Bunky:
> >>>>
> >>>>Your pressure is consistently about 9.0 millibars too high:
> >>>>http://weather.gladstonefamily.net/site/C5347
> >>>>
> >>>>... if you lower you pressure by 9.0 millibars (or 0.81 inches of
> >>>>Mercury) on your WS2310 console, then your station will get a green
> >>>>check and thumbs up (after a few days).
> >>>>
> >>>>Deb:  Can't help you since I don't know your CW #.
> >>>>
> >>>>Hope this helps,
> >>>>
> >>>>Dave
> >>>>CW0351
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Debbie Brooks wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Bunky
> >>>>>
> >>>>>me, also I've been reading all the email concerning this madis check,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>what
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>it is what it's not-but my question is the same as yours
> >>>>>Deb CW, no head for remembering numbers*l*
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>From: "Bunky  K8SWR" <bunky1267 at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>Reply-To: Discussion of weather data quality
> >>>>>>issues<wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net>
> >>>>>>To: wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net
> >>>>>>Subject: [wxqc] Madis Check
> >>>>>>Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 15:01:30 -0500
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Hello All I'm new to this group and I have Weather station Lacrosse
> >>>>>>WS2310 Weatherstation and i use Weather diplay lite (free Version)  
>I
> >>>>>>run station CW5347   On the Madis Rating I got 2 Thumbs down for my
> >>>>>>Barometer reading,,,   Does someone know how to fix this
> >>>>>>
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From radiotech at bellsouth.net  Thu Nov  2 15:02:23 2006
From: radiotech at bellsouth.net (Alan Alsobrook)
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 16:02:23 -0500
Subject: [wxqc] Madis Check... CW6709
In-Reply-To: <BAY114-F171C9C435AAD2873E14839CBFF0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY114-F171C9C435AAD2873E14839CBFF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <454A5CDF.7070607@bellsouth.net>

Debbie,
You may want to wait and see if your pressure changes once you change 
the batteries. I know on a Oregon Scientific Station when the batteries 
in the pressure sensor get low, the reading starts going crazy. I think 
it went high if I remember correctly.

Debbie Brooks wrote:
> Thank you for your quick and helpful response-now I'm trying to change 
> batteries all about 3yrs old-and it's raining crap*l*
> talk to ya soon
> Deb

-- 
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St. Augustine Fl. 32086 904-829-8885
aalso at Bellsouth.net


From annmarie at beamsvillewx.ca  Thu Nov  2 19:02:10 2006
From: annmarie at beamsvillewx.ca (annmarie at beamsvillewx.ca)
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 20:02:10 -0500
Subject: [wxqc] dewpoint errors
Message-ID: <001a01c6fee3$b19d86c0$6400a8c0@KEENANF79D9D01>

Hi:  My dewpoint readings have been in error for sometime now and I would like to rectify this. I operate an OS WMR-968 weather station. My thermo-hygrometer is mounted approximately five feet above open grass and is enclosed in a home-made radiation shield. In my CWOP daily e-mail reports, some days there are many errors, some days just one error. I have compared my dewpoint readings to local stations and my nearest metar (St. Catharines, Ont.), and my readings are way off compared to them :(

Regards,
Ann-Marie (CW2265)
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From ikishk+wxqc at gmail.com  Thu Nov  2 19:09:35 2006
From: ikishk+wxqc at gmail.com (Isaac Kishk (CW6261))
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 19:09:35 -0600
Subject: [wxqc] dewpoint errors
In-Reply-To: <001a01c6fee3$b19d86c0$6400a8c0@KEENANF79D9D01>
References: <001a01c6fee3$b19d86c0$6400a8c0@KEENANF79D9D01>
Message-ID: <f1559b000611021709wf327dcfv87f907f665ba9745@mail.gmail.com>

I've recently replaced this sensor because it was giving faulty
dew/humidity.  Try resetting the unit.  If that doesn't work take your
indoor unit and stand near the outdoor unit.  If the dew/humidity
isn't within reasonable error range between the two sensors, you need
to replace that outdoor sensor.  OS has those sensors back ordered if
you are under warranty, I got a new one on ebay (thanks warren).

On 11/2/06, annmarie at beamsvillewx.ca <annmarie at beamsvillewx.ca> wrote:
>
>
> Hi:  My dewpoint readings have been in error for sometime now and I would
> like to rectify this. I operate an OS WMR-968 weather station. My
> thermo-hygrometer is mounted approximately five feet above open grass and is
> enclosed in a home-made radiation shield. In my CWOP daily e-mail reports,
> some days there are many errors, some days just one error. I have compared
> my dewpoint readings to local stations and my nearest metar (St. Catharines,
> Ont.), and my readings are way off compared to them :(
>
> Regards,
> Ann-Marie (CW2265)
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From dshelms at comcast.net  Thu Nov  2 19:23:31 2006
From: dshelms at comcast.net (Dave Helms)
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 20:23:31 -0500
Subject: [wxqc] FW: Weather data quality report for 2006-11-01 - cw6551
In-Reply-To: <4449B495A460444695E5650BD2ACC855054282@rcserver-xeon.rcdomain.ofc>
References: <20061102022145.7948.qmail@charon.gladstonefamily.net>
	<4449B495A460444695E5650BD2ACC855054282@rcserver-xeon.rcdomain.ofc>
Message-ID: <454A9A13.2070504@comcast.net>

Hi Bob,

The MADIS QCMS statistics show your station has virtually perfect 
performance, e.g., 0 (zero) questionable reports of a total 94 reports 
for altimeter (pressure), potential temperature, wind speed, and wind 
direction, with 3 questionable (not not necessarily bad) dew point 
reports. 

On your Quality Monitoring page you have all green checks and double 
thumbs up.  So, the QC statistics almost always consider your data to be 
in great shape.  The two station you list look good too, except their 
pressures are off a bit. 

If you want to say 'howdy' to your neighbors, you will find their email 
addresses on you state CWOP page, http://www.wxqa.com/states/NY.html. 
Folks can be sensitive about criticism, so we always encourage members 
to use maximum diplomacy when making suggestions to fellow members.

Regards,

Dave
CW0351


Bob Rathke wrote:

> Hi folks,
>  
> New guy here. I have been getting "dinged" the last few days. I think 
> my data is correct. It looks like a couple of "bad" stations in the 
> area are throwing off the curve. I have not been able to locate an 
> email address for the station owners to see if they can correct.
>  
> Any Advice would be appreciated!
>  
> Thanks!
>  
> My Station:cw6551
>  
> Misreading stations:
> co736
> c1370
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Weather Quality [mailto:weather-qc at nospam.gladstonefamily.net]
> *Sent:* Wed 11/1/2006 9:21 PM
> *To:* Bob Rathke
> *Subject:* Weather data quality report for 2006-11-01
>
>    DATE     UTC      SITE  *   ALT    * POT TEMP *  DEW PNT *    DD    
> *    FF   
>                            *   (MB)   *  (DEG F) *  (DEG F) *   (DEG)  
> *   (KNT) 
> 01-NOV-2006 Errs    CW6551 *   0/94   *   0/94   *   3/94   *   0/94   
> *   0/94  
>
> Note that times are in UTC. The values displayed are  'Observed (error)'
> The error value is 'analysis - observed'. I.e. if your observed value 
> is higher
> than the computed value, then the error will be negative. You have to 
> pick out
> the reading that is in error. The row with the time of 'Smry' is a 
> daily summary
> and the data is  'mean(standard deviation)' for each observation 
> during that day.
>
> Graphs: http://weather.gladstonefamily.net/qchart/C6551?date=20061102
>
> For more information about quality checking, then visit 
> http://www.wxqa.com/
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From bob at ourfishadventures.com  Fri Nov  3 08:32:47 2006
From: bob at ourfishadventures.com (Bob Rathke)
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 09:32:47 -0500
Subject: [wxqc] FW: Weather data quality report for 2006-11-01 - cw6551
References: <20061102022145.7948.qmail@charon.gladstonefamily.net><4449B495A460444695E5650BD2ACC855054282@rcserver-xeon.rcdomain.ofc>
	<454A9A13.2070504@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4449B495A460444695E5650BD2ACC855054283@rcserver-xeon.rcdomain.ofc>

Dave,
 
Thanks for the information, and the web page to locate contacts. I here ya on the diplomacy! 
I live closer to the lake than most of the stations in my area, so things are not going to be exactly the same! This time of year the warmer Lake Ontario water has a significant impact on my conditions! We had our first snowfall last night!
 
Bob

________________________________

From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net on behalf of Dave Helms
Sent: Thu 11/2/2006 8:23 PM
To: Discussion of weather data quality issues
Subject: Re: [wxqc] FW: Weather data quality report for 2006-11-01 - cw6551



Hi Bob,

The MADIS QCMS statistics show your station has virtually perfect
performance, e.g., 0 (zero) questionable reports of a total 94 reports
for altimeter (pressure), potential temperature, wind speed, and wind
direction, with 3 questionable (not not necessarily bad) dew point
reports.

On your Quality Monitoring page you have all green checks and double
thumbs up.  So, the QC statistics almost always consider your data to be
in great shape.  The two station you list look good too, except their
pressures are off a bit.

If you want to say 'howdy' to your neighbors, you will find their email
addresses on you state CWOP page, http://www.wxqa.com/states/NY.html.
Folks can be sensitive about criticism, so we always encourage members
to use maximum diplomacy when making suggestions to fellow members.

Regards,

Dave
CW0351


Bob Rathke wrote:

> Hi folks,
> 
> New guy here. I have been getting "dinged" the last few days. I think
> my data is correct. It looks like a couple of "bad" stations in the
> area are throwing off the curve. I have not been able to locate an
> email address for the station owners to see if they can correct.
> 
> Any Advice would be appreciated!
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> My Station:cw6551
> 
> Misreading stations:
> co736
> c1370
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Weather Quality [mailto:weather-qc at nospam.gladstonefamily.net]
> *Sent:* Wed 11/1/2006 9:21 PM
> *To:* Bob Rathke
> *Subject:* Weather data quality report for 2006-11-01
>
>    DATE     UTC      SITE  *   ALT    * POT TEMP *  DEW PNT *    DD   
> *    FF  
>                            *   (MB)   *  (DEG F) *  (DEG F) *   (DEG) 
> *   (KNT)
> 01-NOV-2006 Errs    CW6551 *   0/94   *   0/94   *   3/94   *   0/94  
> *   0/94 
>
> Note that times are in UTC. The values displayed are  'Observed (error)'
> The error value is 'analysis - observed'. I.e. if your observed value
> is higher
> than the computed value, then the error will be negative. You have to
> pick out
> the reading that is in error. The row with the time of 'Smry' is a
> daily summary
> and the data is  'mean(standard deviation)' for each observation
> during that day.
>
> Graphs: http://weather.gladstonefamily.net/qchart/C6551?date=20061102
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From dshelms at comcast.net  Fri Nov  3 08:57:00 2006
From: dshelms at comcast.net (Dave Helms)
Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 09:57:00 -0500
Subject: [wxqc] CWOP Snow Observer Signup...
In-Reply-To: <4449B495A460444695E5650BD2ACC855054283@rcserver-xeon.rcdomain.ofc>
References: <20061102022145.7948.qmail@charon.gladstonefamily.net><4449B495A460444695E5650BD2ACC855054282@rcserver-xeon.rcdomain.ofc>	<454A9A13.2070504@comcast.net>
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Message-ID: <454B58BC.2050601@comcast.net>

Oh yah... leaves turning colors... football... snow... that reminds me:

If you haven't already signed up to be a CWOP snow observer, please do 
(that is, if you normally have measureable snow in your area).  This is 
above and beyond your initial CWOP station validation with Russ.

Here are the links to the CWOP Snow Observer Program:
http://www.freelists.org/webpage/cwop-snow
http://www.wxqa.com/snowSIGN-UP.html
http://madis.noaa.gov/snow_project.html
http://www.madis-fsl.org/snow_measurements.html

If you are already a COCORAHS snow observer, then your report is already 
getting into the NOAA national snow database and your son't need to 
report for CWOP.  If you are a Skywarn snow observer and have been 
emailing or calling your local WFO with a snowfall and snow depth 
report, keep doing this but also participate in CWOP's web based snow 
data entry too.  The idea to to get the snow reports into a national 
database (MADIS and NOHRSC), making it easier for the local WFOs and 
everyone else to access the info.

Procedures for taking snow observations difficult, but also not as easy 
as you might think (climate folks are very picky about these things), so 
please check out the snow training material and video.


Cheers,

Dave
CW0351

Bob Rathke wrote:

>Dave,
> 
>Thanks for the information, and the web page to locate contacts. I here ya on the diplomacy! 
>I live closer to the lake than most of the stations in my area, so things are not going to be exactly the same! This time of year the warmer Lake Ontario water has a significant impact on my conditions! We had our first snowfall last night!
> 
>Bob
>
>________________________________
>
>From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net on behalf of Dave Helms
>Sent: Thu 11/2/2006 8:23 PM
>To: Discussion of weather data quality issues
>Subject: Re: [wxqc] FW: Weather data quality report for 2006-11-01 - cw6551
>
>
>
>Hi Bob,
>
>The MADIS QCMS statistics show your station has virtually perfect
>performance, e.g., 0 (zero) questionable reports of a total 94 reports
>for altimeter (pressure), potential temperature, wind speed, and wind
>direction, with 3 questionable (not not necessarily bad) dew point
>reports.
>
>On your Quality Monitoring page you have all green checks and double
>thumbs up.  So, the QC statistics almost always consider your data to be
>in great shape.  The two station you list look good too, except their
>pressures are off a bit.
>
>If you want to say 'howdy' to your neighbors, you will find their email
>addresses on you state CWOP page, http://www.wxqa.com/states/NY.html.
>Folks can be sensitive about criticism, so we always encourage members
>to use maximum diplomacy when making suggestions to fellow members.
>
>Regards,
>
>Dave
>CW0351
>
>
>Bob Rathke wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Hi folks,
>>
>>New guy here. I have been getting "dinged" the last few days. I think
>>my data is correct. It looks like a couple of "bad" stations in the
>>area are throwing off the curve. I have not been able to locate an
>>email address for the station owners to see if they can correct.
>>
>>Any Advice would be appreciated!
>>
>>Thanks!
>>
>>My Station:cw6551
>>
>>Misreading stations:
>>co736
>>c1370
>>
>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>*From:* Weather Quality [mailto:weather-qc at nospam.gladstonefamily.net]
>>*Sent:* Wed 11/1/2006 9:21 PM
>>*To:* Bob Rathke
>>*Subject:* Weather data quality report for 2006-11-01
>>
>>   DATE     UTC      SITE  *   ALT    * POT TEMP *  DEW PNT *    DD   
>>*    FF  
>>                           *   (MB)   *  (DEG F) *  (DEG F) *   (DEG) 
>>*   (KNT)
>>01-NOV-2006 Errs    CW6551 *   0/94   *   0/94   *   3/94   *   0/94  
>>*   0/94 
>>
>>Note that times are in UTC. The values displayed are  'Observed (error)'
>>The error value is 'analysis - observed'. I.e. if your observed value
>>is higher
>>than the computed value, then the error will be negative. You have to
>>pick out
>>the reading that is in error. The row with the time of 'Smry' is a
>>daily summary
>>and the data is  'mean(standard deviation)' for each observation
>>during that day.
>>
>>Graphs: http://weather.gladstonefamily.net/qchart/C6551?date=20061102
>>
>>For more information about quality checking, then visit
>>http://www.wxqa.com/
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>>http://weather.gladstonefamily.net/mailman/listinfo/wxqc
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From justdebs48 at hotmail.com  Fri Nov  3 21:14:30 2006
From: justdebs48 at hotmail.com (Debbie Brooks)
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 03:14:30 +0000
Subject: [wxqc] Madis Check... CW6709
In-Reply-To: <454A5CDF.7070607@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <BAY114-F3384DA4C639D5122572EC3CBFD0@phx.gbl>

What battery goes into the outdoor sensors? I have few 3v batteries in a 
drawer someplace..Oregon Scientific , everything is screwed up tight-pain 
*l* Thanks for your help, Alan
*s* Debs


>From: Alan Alsobrook <radiotech at bellsouth.net>
>Reply-To: Discussion of weather data quality 
>issues<wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net>
>To: Discussion of weather data quality issues 
><wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net>
>Subject: Re: [wxqc] Madis Check... CW6709
>Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 16:02:23 -0500
>
>Debbie,
>You may want to wait and see if your pressure changes once you change
>the batteries. I know on a Oregon Scientific Station when the batteries
>in the pressure sensor get low, the reading starts going crazy. I think
>it went high if I remember correctly.
>
>Debbie Brooks wrote:
> > Thank you for your quick and helpful response-now I'm trying to change
> > batteries all about 3yrs old-and it's raining crap*l*
> > talk to ya soon
> > Deb
>
>--
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>St. Augustine Fl. 32086 904-829-8885
>aalso at Bellsouth.net
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From justdebs48 at hotmail.com  Fri Nov  3 21:19:32 2006
From: justdebs48 at hotmail.com (Debbie Brooks)
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 03:19:32 +0000
Subject: [wxqc] dewpoint errors
In-Reply-To: <f1559b000611021709wf327dcfv87f907f665ba9745@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY114-F23DDBBC585E296B41F6F8DCBFD0@phx.gbl>

Isaac, you seem to know about Oregon Scientific-is there a catalog from OS 
to reorder parts and pieces?


>From: "Isaac Kishk (CW6261)" <ikishk+wxqc at gmail.com>
>Reply-To: Discussion of weather data quality 
>issues<wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net>
>To: "Discussion of weather data quality 
>issues"<wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net>
>Subject: Re: [wxqc] dewpoint errors
>Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 19:09:35 -0600
>
>I've recently replaced this sensor because it was giving faulty
>dew/humidity.  Try resetting the unit.  If that doesn't work take your
>indoor unit and stand near the outdoor unit.  If the dew/humidity
>isn't within reasonable error range between the two sensors, you need
>to replace that outdoor sensor.  OS has those sensors back ordered if
>you are under warranty, I got a new one on ebay (thanks warren).
>
>On 11/2/06, annmarie at beamsvillewx.ca <annmarie at beamsvillewx.ca> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi:  My dewpoint readings have been in error for sometime now and I 
>would
> > like to rectify this. I operate an OS WMR-968 weather station. My
> > thermo-hygrometer is mounted approximately five feet above open grass 
>and is
> > enclosed in a home-made radiation shield. In my CWOP daily e-mail 
>reports,
> > some days there are many errors, some days just one error. I have 
>compared
> > my dewpoint readings to local stations and my nearest metar (St. 
>Catharines,
> > Ont.), and my readings are way off compared to them :(
> >
> > Regards,
> > Ann-Marie (CW2265)
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From ikishk+wxqc at gmail.com  Fri Nov  3 23:33:42 2006
From: ikishk+wxqc at gmail.com (Isaac Kishk (CW6261))
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 23:33:42 -0600
Subject: [wxqc] dewpoint errors
In-Reply-To: <BAY114-F23DDBBC585E296B41F6F8DCBFD0@phx.gbl>
References: <f1559b000611021709wf327dcfv87f907f665ba9745@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY114-F23DDBBC585E296B41F6F8DCBFD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <f1559b000611032133o6b57fde1n77ddeaf1d3cae820@mail.gmail.com>

google and ebay is what I use.

BTHR968  Baro-Thermo-Hygro Sensor for the WMR968
WGR968   Wireless Anemometer for the WMR968
RGR968   Wireless Rain Gauge for WMR968
THGR968  Thermo-Hygrometer Sensor for WMR968
THWR288A Waterproof Floating Pool and Spa Thermometer
THGR268  Extra Wireless Temperature & Humidity Sensor
THGN123N Ultra Cold Temperature and Humidity Sensor
RT918    Wireless Signal Repeater

http://www2.oregonscientific.com/service/sensors/default.asp has a nice chart.


On 11/3/06, Debbie Brooks <justdebs48 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Isaac, you seem to know about Oregon Scientific-is there a catalog from OS
> to reorder parts and pieces?
>
>
> >From: "Isaac Kishk (CW6261)" <ikishk+wxqc at gmail.com>
> >Reply-To: Discussion of weather data quality
> >issues<wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net>
> >To: "Discussion of weather data quality
> >issues"<wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net>
> >Subject: Re: [wxqc] dewpoint errors
> >Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 19:09:35 -0600
> >
> >I've recently replaced this sensor because it was giving faulty
> >dew/humidity.  Try resetting the unit.  If that doesn't work take your
> >indoor unit and stand near the outdoor unit.  If the dew/humidity
> >isn't within reasonable error range between the two sensors, you need
> >to replace that outdoor sensor.  OS has those sensors back ordered if
> >you are under warranty, I got a new one on ebay (thanks warren).
> >
> >On 11/2/06, annmarie at beamsvillewx.ca <annmarie at beamsvillewx.ca> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi:  My dewpoint readings have been in error for sometime now and I
> >would
> > > like to rectify this. I operate an OS WMR-968 weather station. My
> > > thermo-hygrometer is mounted approximately five feet above open grass
> >and is
> > > enclosed in a home-made radiation shield. In my CWOP daily e-mail
> >reports,
> > > some days there are many errors, some days just one error. I have
> >compared
> > > my dewpoint readings to local stations and my nearest metar (St.
> >Catharines,
> > > Ont.), and my readings are way off compared to them :(
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Ann-Marie (CW2265)
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From radiotech at bellsouth.net  Sat Nov  4 05:08:02 2006
From: radiotech at bellsouth.net (Alan Alsobrook)
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 06:08:02 -0500
Subject: [wxqc] Madis Check... CW6709
In-Reply-To: <BAY114-F3384DA4C639D5122572EC3CBFD0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY114-F3384DA4C639D5122572EC3CBFD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <454C7492.2090100@bellsouth.net>

If you have an OS WMR968 The pressure sensor is in the inside sensor and 
takes 4 AAA's, it's the one to go dead first because it doesn't have a 
solar sensor.  I'm trying to remember what the ODU's take I think 2 AA's 
  that back up the rechargeable batteries.


Debbie Brooks wrote:
> What battery goes into the outdoor sensors? I have few 3v batteries in a 
> drawer someplace..Oregon Scientific , everything is screwed up tight-pain 
> *l* Thanks for your help, Alan
> *s* Debs

-- 
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St. Augustine Fl. 32086 904-829-8885
aalso at Bellsouth.net


From chinohillswx at verizon.net  Sat Nov  4 10:44:27 2006
From: chinohillswx at verizon.net (LeRoy)
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 08:44:27 -0800
Subject: [wxqc] Barometer error near me
Message-ID: <00ae01c70030$7ea94080$2c01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>

There is a station (AS426) 1.3 miles from me (CW4803) that has an average barometer error 22.6 and worst daily average of 33.  It looks like it just came on line as a CWOP station but has been reporting to weather underground for sometime.  It doesn't seam to effect my rating.  I dont see any email to contact them about their error.

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From nmupdraft at gmail.com  Sat Nov  4 23:20:49 2006
From: nmupdraft at gmail.com (jody radzik)
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 22:20:49 -0700
Subject: [wxqc] What's up with Findu?
Message-ID: <ee8522780611042120k40219be6v739a58f89a3c10a9@mail.gmail.com>

I'm not seeing any of my last two day's data on Findu.  I appear to be
sending to CWOP, but the data is not showing up.  Any ideas why?

From tnet.services at gmail.com  Sat Nov  4 23:25:05 2006
From: tnet.services at gmail.com (Kevin Reed)
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 22:25:05 -0700
Subject: [wxqc] What's up with Findu?
In-Reply-To: <ee8522780611042120k40219be6v739a58f89a3c10a9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ee8522780611042120k40219be6v739a58f89a3c10a9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d28c92340611042125t60b40a71qf1c713dad191e554@mail.gmail.com>

I don't see a problem with my data showing up.

On 11/4/06, jody radzik <nmupdraft at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm not seeing any of my last two day's data on Findu.  I appear to be
> sending to CWOP, but the data is not showing up.  Any ideas why?
>

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From nmupdraft at gmail.com  Sat Nov  4 23:28:06 2006
From: nmupdraft at gmail.com (jody radzik)
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 22:28:06 -0700
Subject: [wxqc] What's up with Findu?
In-Reply-To: <d28c92340611042125t60b40a71qf1c713dad191e554@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ee8522780611042120k40219be6v739a58f89a3c10a9@mail.gmail.com>
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It might be a problem with WeatherTracker.  I'm checking with Dean Davis.

From kdmiller at oldsgmail.com  Sat Nov  4 23:30:41 2006
From: kdmiller at oldsgmail.com (Keith Miller)
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2006 00:30:41 -0500
Subject: [wxqc] What's up with Findu?
In-Reply-To: <ee8522780611042120k40219be6v739a58f89a3c10a9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AB922687C8034C8FA30DBA4B157E19FB@sauron>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net
> [mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net]On Behalf Of
> jody radzik
> Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 12:21 AM
> To: Discussion of weather data quality issues
> Subject: [wxqc] What's up with Findu?
>
>
> I'm not seeing any of my last two day's data on Findu.  I appear to
be
> sending to CWOP, but the data is not showing up.  Any ideas why?
>

What server are you trying to send to? And what makes you think
it's not showing up?


Keith
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From nmupdraft at gmail.com  Sun Nov  5 01:57:31 2006
From: nmupdraft at gmail.com (jody radzik)
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 00:57:31 -0700
Subject: [wxqc] What's up with Findu?
In-Reply-To: <AB922687C8034C8FA30DBA4B157E19FB@sauron>
References: <ee8522780611042120k40219be6v739a58f89a3c10a9@mail.gmail.com>
	<AB922687C8034C8FA30DBA4B157E19FB@sauron>
Message-ID: <ee8522780611042357s29da2b4eu1a95b2ad24a99709@mail.gmail.com>

My WT log says:

Sending CWOP - home
2006-11-05 00:50:00:
CW6266>APRS,TCPIP*:@050746z3546.78N/10555.66W_010/000g...t040r...p...P000b10191h44.ats_DsVP
2006-11-05 00:50:00: Sending CWOP data to 2006-11-04 22:10
2006-11-05 00:50:00: CWOP IP Socket error:103
2006-11-05 00:50:00: Sending CWOP data to socal.aprs2.net:23

I'm also sending to rotatewx.aprs2.net:23 and indiana.aprs2.net:23

Thanks for the help.

--jody.

On 11/4/06, Keith Miller <kdmiller at oldsgmail.com> wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net
> > [mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net]On Behalf Of
> > jody radzik
> > Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 12:21 AM
> > To: Discussion of weather data quality issues
> > Subject: [wxqc] What's up with Findu?
> >
> >
> > I'm not seeing any of my last two day's data on Findu.  I appear to
> be
> > sending to CWOP, but the data is not showing up.  Any ideas why?
> >
>
> What server are you trying to send to? And what makes you think
> it's not showing up?
>
>
> Keith
> --
> CW5250 -> http://weather.stadhaugh.com
>
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From nmupdraft at gmail.com  Sun Nov  5 02:44:12 2006
From: nmupdraft at gmail.com (jody radzik)
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 01:44:12 -0700
Subject: [wxqc] What's up with Findu?
In-Reply-To: <ee8522780611042357s29da2b4eu1a95b2ad24a99709@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ee8522780611042120k40219be6v739a58f89a3c10a9@mail.gmail.com>
	<AB922687C8034C8FA30DBA4B157E19FB@sauron>
	<ee8522780611042357s29da2b4eu1a95b2ad24a99709@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ee8522780611050044m5ee10907se0ac19d07ed638c6@mail.gmail.com>

It's my firewall that's causing the problem.  Does anyone know what
ports I should leave open for my CWOP connection?

On 11/5/06, jody radzik <nmupdraft at gmail.com> wrote:
> My WT log says:
>
> Sending CWOP - home
> 2006-11-05 00:50:00:
> CW6266>APRS,TCPIP*:@050746z3546.78N/10555.66W_010/000g...t040r...p...P000b10191h44.ats_DsVP
> 2006-11-05 00:50:00: Sending CWOP data to 2006-11-04 22:10
> 2006-11-05 00:50:00: CWOP IP Socket error:103
> 2006-11-05 00:50:00: Sending CWOP data to socal.aprs2.net:23
>
> I'm also sending to rotatewx.aprs2.net:23 and indiana.aprs2.net:23
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> --jody.
>
> On 11/4/06, Keith Miller <kdmiller at oldsgmail.com> wrote:
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net
> > > [mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net]On Behalf Of
> > > jody radzik
> > > Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 12:21 AM
> > > To: Discussion of weather data quality issues
> > > Subject: [wxqc] What's up with Findu?
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm not seeing any of my last two day's data on Findu.  I appear to
> > be
> > > sending to CWOP, but the data is not showing up.  Any ideas why?
> > >
> >
> > What server are you trying to send to? And what makes you think
> > it's not showing up?
> >
> >
> > Keith
> > --
> > CW5250 -> http://weather.stadhaugh.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > wxqc mailing list
> > Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net
> > To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to:
> > http://server.gladstonefamily.net/mailman/listinfo/wxqc
> >
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> >
>

From ikishk+wxqc at gmail.com  Sun Nov  5 02:47:10 2006
From: ikishk+wxqc at gmail.com (Isaac Kishk (CW6261))
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 02:47:10 -0600
Subject: [wxqc] What's up with Findu?
In-Reply-To: <ee8522780611050044m5ee10907se0ac19d07ed638c6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ee8522780611042120k40219be6v739a58f89a3c10a9@mail.gmail.com>
	<AB922687C8034C8FA30DBA4B157E19FB@sauron>
	<ee8522780611042357s29da2b4eu1a95b2ad24a99709@mail.gmail.com>
	<ee8522780611050044m5ee10907se0ac19d07ed638c6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f1559b000611050047y3016d7f2m10fecf5620a08f70@mail.gmail.com>

It says it in your logs :)

On 11/5/06, jody radzik <nmupdraft at gmail.com> wrote:
> It's my firewall that's causing the problem.  Does anyone know what
> ports I should leave open for my CWOP connection?
>
> On 11/5/06, jody radzik <nmupdraft at gmail.com> wrote:
> > My WT log says:
> >
> > Sending CWOP - home
> > 2006-11-05 00:50:00:
> > CW6266>APRS,TCPIP*:@050746z3546.78N/10555.66W_010/000g...t040r...p...P000b10191h44.ats_DsVP
> > 2006-11-05 00:50:00: Sending CWOP data to 2006-11-04 22:10
> > 2006-11-05 00:50:00: CWOP IP Socket error:103
> > 2006-11-05 00:50:00: Sending CWOP data to socal.aprs2.net:23
> >
> > I'm also sending to rotatewx.aprs2.net:23 and indiana.aprs2.net:23
> >
> > Thanks for the help.
> >
> > --jody.
> >
> > On 11/4/06, Keith Miller <kdmiller at oldsgmail.com> wrote:
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net
> > > > [mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net]On Behalf Of
> > > > jody radzik
> > > > Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 12:21 AM
> > > > To: Discussion of weather data quality issues
> > > > Subject: [wxqc] What's up with Findu?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'm not seeing any of my last two day's data on Findu.  I appear to
> > > be
> > > > sending to CWOP, but the data is not showing up.  Any ideas why?
> > > >
> > >
> > > What server are you trying to send to? And what makes you think
> > > it's not showing up?
> > >
> > >
> > > Keith
> > > --
> > > CW5250 -> http://weather.stadhaugh.com
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > wxqc mailing list
> > > Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net
> > > To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to:
> > > http://server.gladstonefamily.net/mailman/listinfo/wxqc
> > >
> > > The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author.
> > >
> >
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> To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to:
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From dave at aprsfl.net  Sun Nov  5 02:49:53 2006
From: dave at aprsfl.net (dave at aprsfl.net)
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 03:49:53 -0500
Subject: [wxqc] What's up with Findu?
In-Reply-To: <ee8522780611050044m5ee10907se0ac19d07ed638c6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <020001c700b7$5c9fcc20$1ec83a40@centralplexus.com>


     >It's my firewall that's causing the problem.  Does anyone 
     >know what ports I should leave open for my CWOP connection?

Port 23 (and 14580 if you use the core servers) outbound from your LAN to
the internet.

Established packets inbound from the internet to the IP of the client.

Seeya,
Dave
KG4YZY
www.aprsfl.net
  



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From brillig at gmail.com  Sun Nov  5 03:22:41 2006
From: brillig at gmail.com (Victor Engel)
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 03:22:41 -0600
Subject: [wxqc] Vantage Pro Vulnerability to High Humidity
Message-ID: <e0e999680611050122m5b0f364eq933437302bf6407b@mail.gmail.com>

The last time a long period of high humidity came through, the windspeed of
my station reported 0 until the high humidity period ended. Now we have high
humidity again and windspeed is again reporting as zero.

I've reported this to support, and they suggested an alignment adjustment to
try to resolve the problem at first. When I pointed out that the readings
came back on their own when it dried out, they suggested that if it happened
again, I send it in for replacement.

I have no problem doing so. It's still under warranty. I wonder, though, if
there is a design flaw that makes this likely. Maybe there is some part of
the electronics that is exposed to the elements and shouldn't be, resulting
in a short in high humidity conditions. Can anyone suggest what I should
look for when I take the anemometer down? Would a crack somewhere confirm
this notion?
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From brillig at gmail.com  Sun Nov  5 09:45:19 2006
From: brillig at gmail.com (Victor Engel)
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 09:45:19 -0600
Subject: [wxqc] Vantage Pro Vulnerability to High Humidity
In-Reply-To: <e0e999680611050122m5b0f364eq933437302bf6407b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e0e999680611050122m5b0f364eq933437302bf6407b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e0e999680611050745j2b03209h9fbd6c994a1b0f28@mail.gmail.com>

It appears that I've resolved the issue by reseating the anemometer. Before
I did this, I tried spinning it and elevating it by pressing a fingernail
against the hub while it was spinning. This produced a wind spike in the
data. So I loosened the anemometer elevated it as high as it would go,
jiggling the unit while doing so to allow the axle to descend a bit
(maybe?). Then I reset the set screw while the cups were elevated. This
seems to have done the trick. If the problem resurfaces, I may try
repositioning the magnet by inserting a shim under it.

I'm still curious why this happens only when close to 100% humidity. I'm
afraid the coil may be compromised.

On 11/5/06, Victor Engel <brillig at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The last time a long period of high humidity came through, the windspeed
> of my station reported 0 until the high humidity period ended. Now we have
> high humidity again and windspeed is again reporting as zero.
>
> I've reported this to support, and they suggested an alignment adjustment
> to try to resolve the problem at first. When I pointed out that the readings
> came back on their own when it dried out, they suggested that if it happened
> again, I send it in for replacement.
>
> I have no problem doing so. It's still under warranty. I wonder, though,
> if there is a design flaw that makes this likely. Maybe there is some part
> of the electronics that is exposed to the elements and shouldn't be,
> resulting in a short in high humidity conditions. Can anyone suggest what I
> should look for when I take the anemometer down? Would a crack somewhere
> confirm this notion?
>
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From Russell.B.Chadwick at noaa.gov  Sun Nov  5 09:57:35 2006
From: Russell.B.Chadwick at noaa.gov (Russell.B.Chadwick at noaa.gov)
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2006 15:57:35 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [wxqc] What's up with Findu?
Message-ID: <1d977c1d7e78.1d7e781d977c@noaa.gov>

Jody,

A list of the APRS-IS servers is under item # 2 here,

http://www.wxqa.com/activecwd.html

Note that the last two provide some degree of redundancy.  I've had some
reports that the next to the last one works better than the last one.

Russ

----- Original Message -----
From: jody radzik <nmupdraft at gmail.com>
Date: Sunday, November 5, 2006 8:44 am
Subject: Re: [wxqc] What's up with Findu?

> It's my firewall that's causing the problem.  Does anyone know what
> ports I should leave open for my CWOP connection?
> 
> On 11/5/06, jody radzik <nmupdraft at gmail.com> wrote:
> > My WT log says:
> >
> > Sending CWOP - home
> > 2006-11-05 00:50:00:
> > 
>
CW6266>APRS,TCPIP*:@050746z3546.78N/10555.66W_010/000g...t040r...p...P000b10191h44.ats_DsVP>
2006-11-05 00:50:00: Sending CWOP data to 2006-11-04 22:10
> > 2006-11-05 00:50:00: CWOP IP Socket error:103
> > 2006-11-05 00:50:00: Sending CWOP data to socal.aprs2.net:23
> >
> > I'm also sending to rotatewx.aprs2.net:23 and indiana.aprs2.net:23
> >
> > Thanks for the help.
> >
> > --jody.
> >
> > On 11/4/06, Keith Miller <kdmiller at oldsgmail.com> wrote:
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net
> > > > [mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net]On Behalf Of
> > > > jody radzik
> > > > Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 12:21 AM
> > > > To: Discussion of weather data quality issues
> > > > Subject: [wxqc] What's up with Findu?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'm not seeing any of my last two day's data on Findu.  I 
> appear to
> > > be
> > > > sending to CWOP, but the data is not showing up.  Any ideas why?
> > > >
> > >
> > > What server are you trying to send to? And what makes you think
> > > it's not showing up?
> > >
> > >
> > > Keith
> > > --
> > > CW5250 -> http://weather.stadhaugh.com
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > wxqc mailing list
> > > Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net
> > > To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to:
> > > http://server.gladstonefamily.net/mailman/listinfo/wxqc
> > >
> > > The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author.
> > >
> >
> _______________________________________________
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From stu at ridgelift.com  Tue Nov  7 21:18:03 2006
From: stu at ridgelift.com (Stu Phillips)
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 20:18:03 -0700
Subject: [wxqc] How to correct Baro reading to get MADIS thumbs up?
Message-ID: <7AEC9FE2BABCE54DB8A7D825BA974B6DDFEF55@DNA2.dna.local>

After several weeks of watching my quality stats at:

 

http://weather.gladstonefamily.net/site/AS325

 

I'm trying to figure out the correction for the barometer.  MADIS shows
me an average of 0.5 mb high but when I look at the graphs, the daytime
readings all seem spot on and generally agree with the METAR reports
from my nearest airport (KPAO).  I tweaked the correction on my
Barometer down 0.01" Hg about a week ago but it seems to have made
little (no) difference.

 

As the automated analyzer surmized, this location is indeed in a valley
(Canada de Raymundo) and it does get noticeably colder here - taking the
temperature measurements a mile away often shows 5-7 degrees difference
year round.

 

Can anyone offer some suggestions for me?

Thanks!

Stu

 

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From dshelms at comcast.net  Tue Nov  7 21:33:34 2006
From: dshelms at comcast.net (Dave Helms)
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 22:33:34 -0500
Subject: [wxqc] How to correct Baro reading to get MADIS thumbs up?
In-Reply-To: <7AEC9FE2BABCE54DB8A7D825BA974B6DDFEF55@DNA2.dna.local>
References: <7AEC9FE2BABCE54DB8A7D825BA974B6DDFEF55@DNA2.dna.local>
Message-ID: <4551500E.7030702@comcast.net>

Hi Stu,

Yah, there are about 6,000 WeatherBug (AWS) stations in the MADIS 
database which are not visible on the MADIS Java page or on Phillip's QC 
Summary page, but are used in the calculation of the MADIS QCMS 
statistics. Could be one of these stations is close to your station, and 
used as part of your station's area pressure analysis. Being in a 
valley, you micro-climate will certainly differ (for min temps 
especially) than other stations that do not have the drainage winds your 
station experiences.

Dave
CW0351

Stu Phillips wrote:

> After several weeks of watching my quality stats at:
>
> http://weather.gladstonefamily.net/site/AS325
>
> I?m trying to figure out the correction for the barometer. MADIS shows 
> me an average of 0.5 mb high but when I look at the graphs, the 
> daytime readings all seem spot on and generally agree with the METAR 
> reports from my nearest airport (KPAO). I tweaked the correction on my 
> Barometer down 0.01? Hg about a week ago but it seems to have made 
> little (no) difference.
>
> As the automated analyzer surmized, this location is indeed in a 
> valley (Canada de Raymundo) and it does get noticeably colder here ? 
> taking the temperature measurements a mile away often shows 5-7 
> degrees difference year round.
>
> Can anyone offer some suggestions for me?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Stu
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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From brillig at gmail.com  Thu Nov  9 09:30:42 2006
From: brillig at gmail.com (Victor Engel)
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 09:30:42 -0600
Subject: [wxqc] Vantage Pro Vulnerability to High Humidity
In-Reply-To: <e0e999680611050745j2b03209h9fbd6c994a1b0f28@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e0e999680611050122m5b0f364eq933437302bf6407b@mail.gmail.com>
	<e0e999680611050745j2b03209h9fbd6c994a1b0f28@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e0e999680611090730g1a14b20cpdb3f52c21ce079e9@mail.gmail.com>

I spoke too soon. It's failing again now, and this time the RH is only 82%.
I guess I'll be packing it up and sending it in this weekend.

On 11/5/06, Victor Engel <brillig at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> It appears that I've resolved the issue by reseating the anemometer.
> Before I did this, I tried spinning it and elevating it by pressing a
> fingernail against the hub while it was spinning. This produced a wind spike
> in the data. So I loosened the anemometer elevated it as high as it would
> go, jiggling the unit while doing so to allow the axle to descend a bit
> (maybe?). Then I reset the set screw while the cups were elevated. This
> seems to have done the trick. If the problem resurfaces, I may try
> repositioning the magnet by inserting a shim under it.
>
> I'm still curious why this happens only when close to 100% humidity. I'm
> afraid the coil may be compromised.
>
> On 11/5/06, Victor Engel < brillig at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > The last time a long period of high humidity came through, the windspeed
> > of my station reported 0 until the high humidity period ended. Now we have
> > high humidity again and windspeed is again reporting as zero.
> >
> > I've reported this to support, and they suggested an alignment
> > adjustment to try to resolve the problem at first. When I pointed out that
> > the readings came back on their own when it dried out, they suggested that
> > if it happened again, I send it in for replacement.
> >
> > I have no problem doing so. It's still under warranty. I wonder, though,
> > if there is a design flaw that makes this likely. Maybe there is some part
> > of the electronics that is exposed to the elements and shouldn't be,
> > resulting in a short in high humidity conditions. Can anyone suggest what I
> > should look for when I take the anemometer down? Would a crack somewhere
> > confirm this notion?
> >
>
>
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From wa4ikq at nevets.oau.org  Sun Nov 12 06:01:41 2006
From: wa4ikq at nevets.oau.org (Geoffrey Dick)
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 07:01:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [wxqc] Barometer Accuracy and Standard Deviation of ASOS Stations?
Message-ID: <m1GjE1t-000prUC@nevets.oau.org>

Does anybody on this list know the targeted, or expected accuracy
for Barometric Pressure of ASOS calibrated stations?  Once calibrated,
how much standard deviation is tolerated?

For several months, I have been tracking barometric pressure of 3 
airports that are within 12 miles of my location.  The stations
are within a few meters in elevation of one another.
Using the daily Gladstone summary, I see them wandering slowly,
over several days, +/-0.8 millibars many times in opposite 
directions from one another.  Could temperature, weather station
power supplies, or some other environmental component be a factor? 

Geoffrey Dick
WA4IKQ, AS140

From dshelms at comcast.net  Sun Nov 12 08:08:53 2006
From: dshelms at comcast.net (dshelms at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 14:08:53 +0000
Subject: [wxqc] Barometer Accuracy and Standard Deviation of ASOS
	Stations?
Message-ID: <111220061408.21418.45572AF50000891B000053AA22068246939C03040A089C0B@comcast.net>

Hi Geoffrey,

The FMH-1 is the source for ASOS/AWOS observing system, and the sensor performance standards are listed in Appendix C:
http://www.ofcm.gov/fmh-1/pdf/O-APNDXC.pdf

Here is the link to the full FMH-1:
http://www.ofcm.gov/fmh-1/fmh1.htm

The CWOP Guide lists performance standards, largely based in national and international performance standards:
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dshelms/CWOP_Guide.pdf

Yes, all presure instruments tend to drift.  I believe the ASOS pressure instruments are calibrated against the NIST standard annually.  Local (temperatrue) conditions will influence pressure to a small degree.

Parascientific makes the "traveling standard" barometer used to calibrate the official NWS pressure measurements.  They have a nice technical refernce page worth checking out:
http://www.paroscientific.com/digibaroapp.htm

Dave
CW0351



 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: wa4ikq at nevets.oau.org (Geoffrey Dick)
> Does anybody on this list know the targeted, or expected accuracy
> for Barometric Pressure of ASOS calibrated stations?  Once calibrated,
> how much standard deviation is tolerated?
> 
> For several months, I have been tracking barometric pressure of 3 
> airports that are within 12 miles of my location.  The stations
> are within a few meters in elevation of one another.
> Using the daily Gladstone summary, I see them wandering slowly,
> over several days, +/-0.8 millibars many times in opposite 
> directions from one another.  Could temperature, weather station
> power supplies, or some other environmental component be a factor? 
> 
> Geoffrey Dick
> WA4IKQ, AS140
> _______________________________________________
> wxqc mailing list
> Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net
> To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to:
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> 
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From steve at softwx.com  Sun Nov 12 12:00:12 2006
From: steve at softwx.com (Steve Hatchett)
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 11:00:12 -0700
Subject: [wxqc] Barometer Accuracy and Standard Deviation of ASOS
	Stations?
In-Reply-To: <m1GjE1t-000prUC@nevets.oau.org>
Message-ID: <00a801c70684$69a32de0$900ac80a@SoftWx1>

ASOS specs for barometers are 
Accuracy +/- 0.02 inHg (about .7 millibars)
Resolution measurement .003 inHg (about .1 millibars)
Resolution reporting .005 inHg

Don't know about standard deviation.

Steve

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Geoffrey Dick [mailto:wa4ikq at nevets.oau.org]
> Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 5:02 AM
> To: wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net
> Subject: [wxqc] Barometer Accuracy and Standard Deviation of ASOS
> Stations?
> 
> Does anybody on this list know the targeted, or expected accuracy
> for Barometric Pressure of ASOS calibrated stations?  Once calibrated,
> how much standard deviation is tolerated?
> 
> For several months, I have been tracking barometric pressure of 3
> airports that are within 12 miles of my location.  The stations
> are within a few meters in elevation of one another.
> Using the daily Gladstone summary, I see them wandering slowly,
> over several days, +/-0.8 millibars many times in opposite
> directions from one another.  Could temperature, weather station
> power supplies, or some other environmental component be a factor?
> 
> Geoffrey Dick
> WA4IKQ, AS140
> _______________________________________________
> wxqc mailing list
> Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net
> To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to:
> http://server.gladstonefamily.net/mailman/listinfo/wxqc
> 
> The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author.


From dshelms at comcast.net  Mon Nov 13 23:29:35 2006
From: dshelms at comcast.net (Dave Helms)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 00:29:35 -0500
Subject: [wxqc] Davis VP Paper,
 "NEW COOPERATIVE OBSERVER NETWORKS AND INSTRUMENTATION DATA QUALITY"
In-Reply-To: <00a801c70684$69a32de0$900ac80a@SoftWx1>
References: <00a801c70684$69a32de0$900ac80a@SoftWx1>
Message-ID: <4559543F.3030009@comcast.net>

FYI... Jason Karvelot @ Davis passed along the link to his paper titled, 
"NEW COOPERATIVE OBSERVER NETWORKS AND INSTRUMENTATION DATA QUALITY",  
he is presenting at the American Met Society Anual Meeting in San 
Antonio, Texas, in January 2007.
http://ams.confex.com/ams/pdfpapers/118190.pdf




From chasames2003 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 14 12:40:31 2006
From: chasames2003 at yahoo.com (Charles Ames)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 10:40:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [wxqc] Vantage-Pro Dew Point Calibration Question
Message-ID: <20061114184032.78178.qmail@web36614.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi All,
  On the QC for my weather station I get the following message:
   
  There is a significant mean error in your dewpoint readings. You may need to calibrate your dewpoint sensor. Adjust your sensor to read 3.5 ?F lower. Your readings are not within an acceptable error range. The automated problem analysis cannot identify the problem. 
   
  I am assuming [I hope correctly] I need to calibrate the offset on my thermomter 3.5 degrees lower? Is this right? Any suggestions.
   
  My weather station is the wireless "Vantage-Pro" and the Sensor Suite is about 5 ft.above the ground and in the clear
   
  Thanks Charles
  Grand Isle Maine AR198, N7GLR

 
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From albert.arnold at ge.com  Tue Nov 14 16:42:43 2006
From: albert.arnold at ge.com (Arnold, Albert (GE Infra, Energy))
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 17:42:43 -0500
Subject: [wxqc] Davis VP Paper,
	"NEW COOPERATIVE OBSERVER NETWORKS AND INSTRUMENTATION DATA QUALITY"
Message-ID: <0DB3B056D3A69F4C80BB2E7B807919E20BE7631C@SCHMLVEM04.e2k.ad.ge.com>

Excellent report.

Albert
CW0609 

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From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net
[mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net] On Behalf Of Dave Helms
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 12:30 AM
To: Discussion of weather data quality issues
Subject: [wxqc] Davis VP Paper, "NEW COOPERATIVE OBSERVER NETWORKS AND
INSTRUMENTATION DATA QUALITY"

FYI... Jason Karvelot @ Davis passed along the link to his paper titled,
"NEW COOPERATIVE OBSERVER NETWORKS AND INSTRUMENTATION DATA QUALITY", he
is presenting at the American Met Society Anual Meeting in San Antonio,
Texas, in January 2007.
http://ams.confex.com/ams/pdfpapers/118190.pdf



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From dshelms at comcast.net  Tue Nov 14 23:14:44 2006
From: dshelms at comcast.net (Dave Helms)
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 00:14:44 -0500
Subject: [wxqc] Vantage-Pro Dew Point Calibration Question
In-Reply-To: <20061114184032.78178.qmail@web36614.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20061114184032.78178.qmail@web36614.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Hi Charles,

Looking at your station's location in the side of a hill and 1-2 miles 
from the closest water, St Johns River, there does not appear to be any 
reason to justify an elevated dew point measurement.  Your station is 
running 1.5F to 3.5F higher than the ASOS in your area, Frenchville and 
others, according to the MADIS statistics.  If possible, its best to get 
a coincident measurement using a sling psychrometer or other portal 
temp/dewpoint sensor to know for sure that your station is running too 
moist (there are alway several for sale on Ebay, where I purchased 
mine).  If the sling confirms that you are indeed too moist, then I 
would suggest recalibrating the dew point in a way the results in a 1-2 
F drier value (don't try to make a big change when tweaking your values, 
always make changes with by modest and incremental amounts as it is easy 
to over shoot).  If you cannot independently validate the wet bias, best 
to leave things alone as you reports are reasonably close to the area 
measurements (3.5F bias is just barely out of tolerance).

Hope this helps,

Dave
CW0351

Charles Ames wrote:

> Hi All,
> On the QC for my weather station I get the following message:
>  
> There is a significant mean error in your dewpoint readings. You may 
> need to calibrate your dewpoint sensor. Adjust your sensor to read 3.5 
> ?F lower. Your readings are not within an acceptable error range. The 
> automated problem analysis cannot identify the problem.
>  
> I am assuming [I hope correctly] I need to calibrate the offset on my 
> thermomter 3.5 degrees lower? Is this right? Any suggestions.
>  
> My weather station is the wireless "Vantage-Pro" and the Sensor Suite 
> is about 5 ft.above the ground and in the clear
>  
> Thanks Charles
> Grand Isle Maine AR198, N7GLR
>
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From lwood at mountainbase.com  Wed Nov 15 00:34:10 2006
From: lwood at mountainbase.com (Lance)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 22:34:10 -0800
Subject: [wxqc] Vantage-Pro Dew Point Calibration Question
Message-ID: <455AB4E2.9010805@mountainbase.com>

Hi Dennis

I have a similar problem with my humidity. My station is, more often 
than not, higher on humidity and lower on nighttime temps than my 
surrounding stations. I was concerned that my humidity readings were too 
high, so I purchased a sling psychrometer and than later a digital 
psychrometer. I found that both psychrometers  gave me the same dew 
point that I was seeing on my VP2. The two psychrometers were off from 
one another by two degrees, both dry and wet bulb, but the dew point was 
the same. The sling  psychrometer temperature was also the same as the 
VP2. I feel comfortable with my readings even though I get dinged on the 
QC reports. From what I have seen locally, the Vantage Pro stations are 
pretty decent from the factory. I see variations that aren't completely 
attributable to micro-climates but they are minor compared to some of 
the other brands out there. Do what you can to verify your data before 
you change your settings to match your neighbors.

Good Luck

I have a question for the group.  Can you be socked in with fog and not 
have 100% humidity? I have never seen it on my station, maybe 98%. I am 
already getting hit for being too high and don't want to adjust it up. 
I'm hoping it's just in the design of the sensor.
Thanks

Lance
CW1020
www.mountainbase.com

From kdmiller at oldsgmail.com  Wed Nov 15 00:48:54 2006
From: kdmiller at oldsgmail.com (Keith Miller)
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 01:48:54 -0500
Subject: [wxqc] Vantage-Pro Dew Point Calibration Question
In-Reply-To: <455AB4E2.9010805@mountainbase.com>
Message-ID: <62196BAFBD714E8AA1366A93CCD35A5F@sauron>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net
> [mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net]On Behalf Of Lance
> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 1:34 AM
> To: wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net
> Subject: Re: [wxqc] Vantage-Pro Dew Point Calibration Question
> 
> 

> I have a question for the group.  Can you be socked in with
> fog and not have 100% humidity? I have never seen it on my station,
> maybe 98%. I am already getting hit for being too high and don't
> want to adjust it up. 

I've seen 100% http://weather.stadhaugh.com/record.php Although,
typically, I see 98% or 99% during a rainfall event...


Keith
--
CW5250 => http://weather.stadhaugh.com



From steve at softwx.com  Wed Nov 15 07:15:32 2006
From: steve at softwx.com (Steve Hatchett)
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 06:15:32 -0700
Subject: [wxqc] Vantage-Pro Dew Point Calibration Question
In-Reply-To: <62196BAFBD714E8AA1366A93CCD35A5F@sauron>
Message-ID: <000901c708b8$23abe120$900ac80a@SoftWx1>

We had a fog event that lasted quite a few days. It was extremely foggy, and
everything was dripping wet. I was convinced it could get no foggier or more
saturated than it was. But my VP2 refused to go above 99%. I was somewhat
disappointed, and literally on the verge of bumping the calibration up by a
percent when it proceeded to get even foggier and more saturated than I
thought possible and the station began reporting 100% humidity. It stayed
that way for several hours until a system moved through and ended the
inversion. Now I'm glad I didn't do the calibration adjustment.

Steve

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Keith Miller [mailto:kdmiller at oldsgmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 11:49 PM
> To: lwood at mountainbase.com; 'Discussion of weather data quality issues'
> Subject: Re: [wxqc] Vantage-Pro Dew Point Calibration Question
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net
> > [mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net]On Behalf Of Lance
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 1:34 AM
> > To: wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net
> > Subject: Re: [wxqc] Vantage-Pro Dew Point Calibration Question
> >
> >
> 
> > I have a question for the group.  Can you be socked in with
> > fog and not have 100% humidity? I have never seen it on my station,
> > maybe 98%. I am already getting hit for being too high and don't
> > want to adjust it up.
> 
> I've seen 100% http://weather.stadhaugh.com/record.php Although,
> typically, I see 98% or 99% during a rainfall event...
> 
> 
> Keith
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From lwood at mountainbase.com  Wed Nov 15 08:43:03 2006
From: lwood at mountainbase.com (Lance)
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 06:43:03 -0800
Subject: [wxqc] Vantage-Pro Dew Point Calibration Question
Message-ID: <455B2777.30801@mountainbase.com>

Thanks Steve, that's what I wanted to hear.

Lance
CW1020
www.mountainbase.com

From dshelms at comcast.net  Wed Nov 15 23:40:14 2006
From: dshelms at comcast.net (Dave Helms)
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 00:40:14 -0500
Subject: [wxqc] Vantage-Pro Dew Point Calibration Question
In-Reply-To: <000901c708b8$23abe120$900ac80a@SoftWx1>
References: <000901c708b8$23abe120$900ac80a@SoftWx1>
Message-ID: <455BF9BE.5010904@comcast.net>

In METAR reporting procedures, the general rule is you can report fog as 
"present weather" (e.g. restricting horizontal visibility to less than 7 
miles) with dew point depressions as great as 7 F degrees. As you found, 
it is not uncommon to observ