From t_biskit at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 07:40:31 2006 From: t_biskit at yahoo.com (Thomas Hybiske) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 04:40:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [wxqc] findu.com barometric pressure display issue Message-ID: <20060801114031.14285.qmail@web33114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Has anyone checked their wx page recently on findu.com? I hope I can explain this correctly because I don't know much about the system: The problem pertains to the display of the barometric pressure. Looking at the displayed graph, it would appear there are gross swings in pressure. In my case, my station shows a 5 millibar change in a matter of hours; something that did not happen in the dog days of summer here in New England. I first suspected a device problem at my station, but my Weatherlink display showed a nearly smooth pressure line as expected. Then I looked at other stations and observed gross swings in pressure at their stations as well. So I then went back and looked at my "quality control graph" for my station and I think I've discovered the problem. It appears that the graph line has been "magnified" and layed down onto an incorrect graph range. In other words the graph line represents minute changes in pressure, but is being tracked on a grid for a much wider range of pressure. Maybe a tenth of a millibar is being traced as one millibar. I noticed this began sometime late last week. Can someone confirm this for me? Here's my station address for reference: http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/wxpage.cgi?call=K3gm&last=120 Thanks, Tom Hybiske, K3GM --------------------------------- See the all-new, redesigned Yahoo.com. Check it out. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://pond1.gladstonefamily.net:8080/pipermail/wxqc/attachments/20060801/353c3389/attachment.html From philip at gladstonefamily.net Tue Aug 1 07:47:36 2006 From: philip at gladstonefamily.net (Philip Gladstone) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 07:47:36 -0400 Subject: [wxqc] findu.com barometric pressure display issue In-Reply-To: <20060801114031.14285.qmail@web33114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060801114031.14285.qmail@web33114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44CF3F58.6070601@gladstonefamily.net> There was a note on http://www.wxqa.com/news.html last week which said that autoscaling had been added to the pressure graphs on findu, and to report if it didn't work. I guess this is a case where it doesn't work! As a side note, there is now an RSS feed from the above news page that you can plug into your favorite RSS reader (if you are that way inclined). Philip Thomas Hybiske wrote: > Has anyone checked their wx page recently on findu.com? I hope I can > explain this correctly because I don't know much about the system: > > The problem pertains to the display of the barometric pressure. Looking > at the displayed graph, it would appear there are gross swings in > pressure. In my case, my station shows a 5 millibar change in a matter > of hours; something that did not happen in the dog days of summer here > in New England. I first suspected a device problem at my station, but > my Weatherlink display showed a nearly smooth pressure line as > expected. Then I looked at other stations and observed gross swings in > pressure at their stations as well. So I then went back and looked at > my "quality control graph" for my station and I think I've discovered > the problem. It appears that the graph line has been "magnified" and > layed down onto an incorrect graph range. In other words the graph line > represents minute changes in pressure, but is being tracked on a grid > for a much wider range of pressure. Maybe a tenth of a millibar is > being traced as one millibar. I noticed this began sometime late last > week. Can someone confirm this for me? Here's my station address for > reference: http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/wxpage.cgi?call=K3gm&last=120 > > > Thanks, > Tom Hybiske, K3GM -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In my case, my station shows a 5 millibar > change in a matter of hours; something that did not happen in the > dog days of summer here in New England. I first suspected a device > problem at my station, but my Weatherlink display showed a nearly > smooth pressure line as expected. Then I looked at other stations > and observed gross swings in pressure at their stations as well. > So I then went back and looked at my "quality control graph" for my > station and I think I've discovered the problem. It appears that > the graph line has been "magnified" and layed down onto an > incorrect graph range. In other words the graph line represents > minute changes in pressure, but is being tracked on a grid for a > much wider range of pressure. Maybe a tenth of a millibar is being > traced as one millibar. I noticed this began sometime late last > week. Can someone confirm this for me? Here's my station address > for reference: http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/wxpage.cgi? > call=K3gm&last=120 > As Philip mentioned, I added autoscaling, which is why the changes look far greater than they did before. However, I think the code is correct. Despite your protestations that 5 mb changes do not happen in a matter of hours, look at the data for your station: http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/wx.cgi?call=K3gm&last=120 from this I see that on 7/28 at 131332 you reported a pressure of 1013.3 and at 210334 you reported 1007.7. This represents a drop of 5.6 mb over 7 hours and 50 minutes. I believe this is accurately reflected in the graph. Steve K4HG From steve at dimse.com Tue Aug 1 09:57:13 2006 From: steve at dimse.com (Steve Dimse) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 09:57:13 -0400 Subject: [wxqc] findu.com barometric pressure display issue In-Reply-To: <44CF3F58.6070601@gladstonefamily.net> References: <20060801114031.14285.qmail@web33114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44CF3F58.6070601@gladstonefamily.net> Message-ID: <40C942B8-6356-456D-A974-BA8F65560118@dimse.com> On Aug 1, 2006, at 7:47 AM, Philip Gladstone wrote: > There was a note on http://www.wxqa.com/news.html last week which > said that autoscaling had been added to the pressure graphs on > findu, and to report if it didn't work. I guess this is a case > where it doesn't work! Am I missing something? Did it look bad to you when you looked at it? It looks to me like it accurately reflects the actual data, but sometimes one gets too close to these things to be objective... Steve K4HG From t_biskit at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 10:38:50 2006 From: t_biskit at yahoo.com (Thomas Hybiske) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 07:38:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [wxqc] findu.com barometric pressure display issue In-Reply-To: <40C942B8-6356-456D-A974-BA8F65560118@dimse.com> Message-ID: <20060801143850.61080.qmail@web33115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> No, I don't think you are, Steve. I think the problem was me. I was so use to looking at a relatively smooth line when viewed over the former wide range that when the autoscaling kicked in, the large sweep on the display threw me. My apologies! Tom K3GM Steve Dimse wrote: Am I missing something? Did it look bad to you when you looked at it? It looks to me like it accurately reflects the actual data, but sometimes one gets too close to these things to be objective... 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URL: http://pond1.gladstonefamily.net:8080/pipermail/wxqc/attachments/20060801/97592bcf/attachment.html From Evan.Bookbinder at noaa.gov Tue Aug 1 10:06:10 2006 From: Evan.Bookbinder at noaa.gov (Evan Bookbinder) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 09:06:10 -0500 Subject: [wxqc] findu.com barometric pressure display issue In-Reply-To: <40C942B8-6356-456D-A974-BA8F65560118@dimse.com> References: <20060801114031.14285.qmail@web33114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44CF3F58.6070601@gladstonefamily.net> <40C942B8-6356-456D-A974-BA8F65560118@dimse.com> Message-ID: <44CF5FD2.8050600@noaa.gov> Steve, My findu pressure graphs have been dead on with the pressure data reported in the raw APRS transmit lines. K3GM's data also looks correct. Evan Steve Dimse wrote: > On Aug 1, 2006, at 7:47 AM, Philip Gladstone wrote: > > >> There was a note on http://www.wxqa.com/news.html last week which >> said that autoscaling had been added to the pressure graphs on >> findu, and to report if it didn't work. I guess this is a case >> where it doesn't work! >> > > Am I missing something? Did it look bad to you when you looked at it? > It looks to me like it accurately reflects the actual data, but > sometimes one gets too close to these things to be objective... > > Steve K4HG > _______________________________________________ > wxqc mailing list > Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net > To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: > http://pond1.gladstonefamily.net:8080/mailman/listinfo/wxqc > > The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. > -- -------------------------------------- Evan Bookbinder - WX2CHS Senior Meteorologist National Weather Service WFO Kansas City/Pleasant Hill, MO Evan.Bookbinder at noaa.gov 816-540-6125 http://weather.gov/kc -------------------------------------- From Evan.Bookbinder at noaa.gov Tue Aug 1 10:11:44 2006 From: Evan.Bookbinder at noaa.gov (Evan Bookbinder) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 09:11:44 -0500 Subject: [wxqc] findu.com barometric pressure display issue In-Reply-To: <20060801114031.14285.qmail@web33114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060801114031.14285.qmail@web33114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44CF6120.6010600@noaa.gov> Thomas, A diurnal change of 5mb in New England in summer is certainly not rare, especially considering several weather systems responsible for rain and severe weather have passed through the region in the last couple of days. I checked several surrounding official reporting stations at area airports across MA, CT and RI...all of them show the same pressure fall and spike during the afternoon/evening of the 28th, associated with a squall line that produced 50+ mph winds. Evan Thomas Hybiske wrote: > Has anyone checked their wx page recently on findu.com? I hope I can > explain this correctly because I don't know much about the system: > > The problem pertains to the display of the barometric pressure. > Looking at the displayed graph, it would appear there are gross swings > in pressure. In my case, my station shows a 5 millibar change in a > matter of hours; something that did not happen in the dog days of > summer here in New England. I first suspected a device problem at my > station, but my Weatherlink display showed a nearly smooth pressure > line as expected. Then I looked at other stations and observed gross > swings in pressure at their stations as well. So I then went back and > looked at my "quality control graph" for my station and I think I've > discovered the problem. It appears that the graph line has been > "magnified" and layed down onto an incorrect graph range. In other > words the graph line represents minute changes in pressure, but is > being tracked on a grid for a much wider range of pressure. Maybe a > tenth of a millibar is being traced as one millibar. I noticed this > began sometime late last week. Can someone confirm this for me? > Here's my station address for reference: > http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/wxpage.cgi?call=K3gm&last=120 > > > Thanks, > Tom Hybiske, K3GM > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > See the all-new, redesigned Yahoo.com. Check it out. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > wxqc mailing list > Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net > To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: > http://pond1.gladstonefamily.net:8080/mailman/listinfo/wxqc > > The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. -- -------------------------------------- Evan Bookbinder - WX2CHS Senior Meteorologist National Weather Service WFO Kansas City/Pleasant Hill, MO Evan.Bookbinder at noaa.gov 816-540-6125 http://weather.gov/kc -------------------------------------- From steve at dimse.com Tue Aug 1 10:45:30 2006 From: steve at dimse.com (Steve Dimse) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 10:45:30 -0400 Subject: [wxqc] findu.com barometric pressure display issue In-Reply-To: <20060801143850.61080.qmail@web33115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060801143850.61080.qmail@web33115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Aug 1, 2006, at 10:38 AM, Thomas Hybiske wrote: > No, I don't think you are, Steve. I think the problem was me. I > was so use to looking at a relatively smooth line when viewed over > the former wide range that when the autoscaling kicked in, the > large sweep on the display threw me. My apologies! > No problem, like I said I was just getting worried that I was not seeing someing right in front of my face! Steve > From bfgiii at adelphia.net Tue Aug 1 12:33:49 2006 From: bfgiii at adelphia.net (bfgiii at adelphia.net) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 12:33:49 -0400 Subject: [wxqc] wxqc Summary Page Message-ID: <16508766.1154450029422.JavaMail.root@web17> ---- Philip Gladstone wrote: ============= Ben The Error Standard Deviation is a measure of how much variability there is in the error. In this case, if the mean error is (say) 10 degrees, and the standard deviation is (say) 5 degrees, then most readings will have an 'error' of between 5 and 15 degrees. The purpose of displaying this (and using it) is that a small SD indicates that the sensor is tracking the analysis well. The mean error may indicate a calibration problem. For example, with pressure readings, it was the case that many stations did not report the altimeter pressure reading (roughly sea level pressure, but subtly different). Their readings would track the analysis reasonably well, but with a noticeable offset. The use of the SD distinguished these sites from those with a pressure sensor that was broken, or a site with incorrect lat/long information (so the analysis pressure was from a different part of the country!). Does this help? Philip Hello Philip, Thanks for your consideration. I see now that my SD is not out of line at all, especially when I compare it to the airport ASOS 3.4 miles from my station and two other good stations within a reasonable distance from here. http://weather.gladstonefamily.net/site/K3B2 http://weather.gladstonefamily.net/site/C0467 I'm guess that I'm as close in my mean error and SD as I could hope to be and I don't want to try and fix something that isn't broken. Do you agree? Re: the BP auto scaling thread, we get some considerable movement in pressure this time of year when cold fronts approach and move off the New England coast. We've had many instances of intense T-storms falling completely apart as the hit the marine air layer about 5 to 10 miles in from the shore only to reform again over Massachusetts Bay. The BP can jump all over as these cells degrade, dissipate and reform again as they march out to sea. Some wild runs in temp/humidity, too. Thanks again, Philip. Ben Goodrich CW0467 From snowboardjoe at gmail.com Thu Aug 3 10:10:01 2006 From: snowboardjoe at gmail.com (Joe Morris) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 10:10:01 -0400 Subject: [wxqc] Noobie and software experiences Message-ID: <6101474e0608030710h526f8e42rb8a8173d0353978@mail.gmail.com> Big fan of meteorology and used to be a skywarn spotter. I've had a Davis WMII setup for years and only lately did I finally break down and the the data logger (w/WeatherLink software). This was triggered by re-discovering Wunderground (KNCDURHA9) and being able to see a Google map of personal weather stations which I though was quite slick. As I was digging for the right software and setup info, I stumbled across CWOP (KF4YSO) and was surprised to know that something like this existed. All this time I could have sent data! I got things setup last night and though I would share my experiences with what I went through, some good, and lots of bad. I just have the one PC at home running WXP. WeatherLink This software just appears to be downright awful and it does not work. CWOP setup was pretty easy. WU setup I never got working. Appears it could never authenticate with WU even after retyping all of the information several times. As the software is running, it seems to go through an overly complicated process of grabbing data from the console, compiling it, formatting it and finally sending it on to CWOP. The software was unresponsive when it was in the middle of an update too. Weather Display (trial version) This was a bit better and seemed to be much more lightweight by watching the stream of data rather than constantly downloading it. WU and CWOP setup was pretty painless. Although the barometer calibration took me forever to sort out before I finally got it to report the correct information--very confusing. Tried some other functions to upload a web page and stuff and the ftp client kept deadlocking and sucking up all of my CPU time. Worth $70? Probably not if it's that buggy. Virtual Weather Station (trial version w/CWOP extension) This is definitely more sophisticated. Did seem a bit odd that I needed to install a separate program just to send the APRS data, but it works. Setup for WU was also painless. I don't get the "raw barometer" graph that insists my pressure is 266", yet the digital readout is dead on. I guess this software looks a little too fancy for me as it does have some broadcast quality features here. $100 seems a bit much to just send data via CWOP and WU. All I mainly want to do right now is send weather data to CWOP and WU. Is there a cheaper way? Not sure if I can tolerate the WeatherLink stuff (although, it's already paid for). No huge desires to upload web pages or anything like that, but would be a bonus. -- Joe Morris From andro700 at min.midco.net Thu Aug 3 10:50:25 2006 From: andro700 at min.midco.net (Chuck Goble) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 09:50:25 -0500 Subject: [wxqc] Noobie and software experiences In-Reply-To: <6101474e0608030710h526f8e42rb8a8173d0353978@mail.gmail.com> References: <6101474e0608030710h526f8e42rb8a8173d0353978@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44D20D31.5040006@min.midco.net> Joe, I am a big fan of meteorology myself and I took the plunge last November and bought a Davis VP2 wireless standard model. I use both weatherlink and Weather Display. I have been using Weather Display since I bought my Davis VP2. It is been very stable for me. There have been issue's here and there but Brian (software writer) is on the forums to answer any issues you may have and you work with him he will usually have it resolved in a matter of hours. Very rarely that it takes him more than one day to fix any issue. Here is the link for the forum http://www.weather-watch.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=cbbb58d436a4e9dabc2cd534f24819fa& . There are quite a few people on this board that are knowledgeable about this software. I am not trying to sell the product but just help you out with you getting your CWOP and WU on line. Chuck Joe Morris wrote: > Big fan of meteorology and used to be a skywarn spotter. I've had a > Davis WMII setup for years and only lately did I finally break down > and the the data logger (w/WeatherLink software). This was triggered > by re-discovering Wunderground (KNCDURHA9) and being able to see a > Google map of personal weather stations which I though was quite > slick. As I was digging for the right software and setup info, I > stumbled across CWOP (KF4YSO) and was surprised to know that something > like this existed. All this time I could have sent data! I got > things setup last night and though I would share my experiences with > what I went through, some good, and lots of bad. I just have the one > PC at home running WXP. > > WeatherLink > > This software just appears to be downright awful and it does not work. > CWOP setup was pretty easy. WU setup I never got working. Appears > it could never authenticate with WU even after retyping all of the > information several times. As the software is running, it seems to go > through an overly complicated process of grabbing data from the > console, compiling it, formatting it and finally sending it on to > CWOP. The software was unresponsive when it was in the middle of an > update too. > > Weather Display (trial version) > > This was a bit better and seemed to be much more lightweight by > watching the stream of data rather than constantly downloading it. WU > and CWOP setup was pretty painless. Although the barometer > calibration took me forever to sort out before I finally got it to > report the correct information--very confusing. Tried some other > functions to upload a web page and stuff and the ftp client kept > deadlocking and sucking up all of my CPU time. Worth $70? Probably > not if it's that buggy. > > Virtual Weather Station (trial version w/CWOP extension) > > This is definitely more sophisticated. Did seem a bit odd that I > needed to install a separate program just to send the APRS data, but > it works. Setup for WU was also painless. I don't get the "raw > barometer" graph that insists my pressure is 266", yet the digital > readout is dead on. I guess this software looks a little too fancy > for me as it does have some broadcast quality features here. $100 > seems a bit much to just send data via CWOP and WU. > > > All I mainly want to do right now is send weather data to CWOP and WU. > Is there a cheaper way? Not sure if I can tolerate the WeatherLink > stuff (although, it's already paid for). No huge desires to upload > web pages or anything like that, but would be a bonus. > > From DeerTrail131 at aol.com Thu Aug 3 11:22:43 2006 From: DeerTrail131 at aol.com (DeerTrail131 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 11:22:43 EDT Subject: [wxqc] Weather Station Message-ID: To Whom It May Concern: The Deer Trail School District 26 J Weather Station CW0899 is down since August 1st, 2006 at about 2 A.M. _http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/wxpage.cgi?call=CW0899!Deer%20Trail%20Schools&la st=72_ (http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/wxpage.cgi?call=CW0899!Deer%20Trail%20Schools&last=72) No one around to re-start the weather station, and the Computer is shut down completely for some reason? Ron Schaffer wd?bdq P. O. Box 131 Deer Trail, Colorado. 80105 Deertrail131 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://pond1.gladstonefamily.net:8080/pipermail/wxqc/attachments/20060803/7cd93209/attachment.html From brillig at gmail.com Thu Aug 3 11:38:47 2006 From: brillig at gmail.com (Victor Engel) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 10:38:47 -0500 Subject: [wxqc] Noobie and software experiences In-Reply-To: <6101474e0608030710h526f8e42rb8a8173d0353978@mail.gmail.com> References: <6101474e0608030710h526f8e42rb8a8173d0353978@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Try VP Live (free) at http://www.softwx.com/weather/index.html On 8/3/06, Joe Morris wrote: > > Big fan of meteorology and used to be a skywarn spotter. I've had a > Davis WMII setup for years and only lately did I finally break down > and the the data logger (w/WeatherLink software). This was triggered > by re-discovering Wunderground (KNCDURHA9) and being able to see a > Google map of personal weather stations which I though was quite > slick. As I was digging for the right software and setup info, I > stumbled across CWOP (KF4YSO) and was surprised to know that something > like this existed. All this time I could have sent data! I got > things setup last night and though I would share my experiences with > what I went through, some good, and lots of bad. I just have the one > PC at home running WXP. > > WeatherLink > > This software just appears to be downright awful and it does not work. > CWOP setup was pretty easy. WU setup I never got working. Appears > it could never authenticate with WU even after retyping all of the > information several times. As the software is running, it seems to go > through an overly complicated process of grabbing data from the > console, compiling it, formatting it and finally sending it on to > CWOP. The software was unresponsive when it was in the middle of an > update too. > > Weather Display (trial version) > > This was a bit better and seemed to be much more lightweight by > watching the stream of data rather than constantly downloading it. WU > and CWOP setup was pretty painless. Although the barometer > calibration took me forever to sort out before I finally got it to > report the correct information--very confusing. Tried some other > functions to upload a web page and stuff and the ftp client kept > deadlocking and sucking up all of my CPU time. Worth $70? Probably > not if it's that buggy. > > Virtual Weather Station (trial version w/CWOP extension) > > This is definitely more sophisticated. Did seem a bit odd that I > needed to install a separate program just to send the APRS data, but > it works. Setup for WU was also painless. I don't get the "raw > barometer" graph that insists my pressure is 266", yet the digital > readout is dead on. I guess this software looks a little too fancy > for me as it does have some broadcast quality features here. $100 > seems a bit much to just send data via CWOP and WU. > > > All I mainly want to do right now is send weather data to CWOP and WU. > Is there a cheaper way? Not sure if I can tolerate the WeatherLink > stuff (although, it's already paid for). No huge desires to upload > web pages or anything like that, but would be a bonus. > > -- > Joe Morris > _______________________________________________ > wxqc mailing list > Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net > To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: > http://pond1.gladstonefamily.net:8080/mailman/listinfo/wxqc > > The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://pond1.gladstonefamily.net:8080/pipermail/wxqc/attachments/20060803/f516e934/attachment.html From kdmiller at oldsgmail.com Thu Aug 3 12:54:34 2006 From: kdmiller at oldsgmail.com (Keith Miller) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 12:54:34 -0400 Subject: [wxqc] Noobie and software experiences In-Reply-To: <6101474e0608030710h526f8e42rb8a8173d0353978@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <38F88D0710D14B95B94F0E0E705833C4@sauron> > -----Original Message----- > From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net > [mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net]On Behalf Of Joe Morris > Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 10:10 AM > To: wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net > Subject: [wxqc] Noobie and software experiences > > > All I mainly want to do right now is send weather data to > CWOP and WU. > Is there a cheaper way? Not sure if I can tolerate the > WeatherLink stuff (although, it's already paid for). No > huge desires to upload web pages or anything like that, > but would be a bonus. > Since you have to get WeatherLink to get the datalogger, better to think of that as buying the datalogger. Everyone is gonna have their own opinion of what's best, so you'll probably have to try a few to find what you like. I like WxSolution, nice and simple, but lots of features. http://www.thunderheadtech/WxSoultion/ Keith -- CW5250 => http://weather.stadhaugh.com/ From brillig at gmail.com Thu Aug 3 13:29:03 2006 From: brillig at gmail.com (Victor Engel) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 12:29:03 -0500 Subject: [wxqc] Noobie and software experiences In-Reply-To: <38F88D0710D14B95B94F0E0E705833C4@sauron> References: <6101474e0608030710h526f8e42rb8a8173d0353978@mail.gmail.com> <38F88D0710D14B95B94F0E0E705833C4@sauron> Message-ID: Did you type in that URL correctly? It doesn't seem to work for me. On 8/3/06, Keith Miller wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net > > [mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net]On Behalf Of Joe > Morris > > Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 10:10 AM > > To: wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net > > Subject: [wxqc] Noobie and software experiences > > > > > > > All I mainly want to do right now is send weather data to > > CWOP and WU. > > Is there a cheaper way? Not sure if I can tolerate the > > WeatherLink stuff (although, it's already paid for). No > > huge desires to upload web pages or anything like that, > > but would be a bonus. > > > > > Since you have to get WeatherLink to get the datalogger, > better to think of that as buying the datalogger. > > Everyone is gonna have their own opinion of what's best, > so you'll probably have to try a few to find what you like. > > I like WxSolution, nice and simple, but lots of features. > http://www.thunderheadtech/WxSoultion/ > > > Keith > -- > CW5250 => http://weather.stadhaugh.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > wxqc mailing list > Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net > To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: > http://pond1.gladstonefamily.net:8080/mailman/listinfo/wxqc > > The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://pond1.gladstonefamily.net:8080/pipermail/wxqc/attachments/20060803/56453652/attachment.html From Evan.Bookbinder at noaa.gov Thu Aug 3 13:29:42 2006 From: Evan.Bookbinder at noaa.gov (Evan Bookbinder) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 12:29:42 -0500 Subject: [wxqc] Noobie and software experiences In-Reply-To: References: <6101474e0608030710h526f8e42rb8a8173d0353978@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44D23286.9010007@noaa.gov> Victor, does VP Live send to WU though? Evan Victor Engel wrote: > Try VP Live (free) at http://www.softwx.com/weather/index.html > > On 8/3/06, *Joe Morris* < snowboardjoe at gmail.com > > wrote: > > Big fan of meteorology and used to be a skywarn spotter. I've had a > Davis WMII setup for years and only lately did I finally break down > and the the data logger (w/WeatherLink software). This was triggered > by re-discovering Wunderground (KNCDURHA9) and being able to see a > Google map of personal weather stations which I though was quite > slick. As I was digging for the right software and setup info, I > stumbled across CWOP (KF4YSO) and was surprised to know that something > like this existed. All this time I could have sent data! I got > things setup last night and though I would share my experiences with > what I went through, some good, and lots of bad. I just have the one > PC at home running WXP. > > WeatherLink > > This software just appears to be downright awful and it does not work. > CWOP setup was pretty easy. WU setup I never got working. Appears > it could never authenticate with WU even after retyping all of the > information several times. As the software is running, it seems to go > through an overly complicated process of grabbing data from the > console, compiling it, formatting it and finally sending it on to > CWOP. The software was unresponsive when it was in the middle of an > update too. > > Weather Display (trial version) > > This was a bit better and seemed to be much more lightweight by > watching the stream of data rather than constantly downloading > it. WU > and CWOP setup was pretty painless. Although the barometer > calibration took me forever to sort out before I finally got it to > report the correct information--very confusing. Tried some other > functions to upload a web page and stuff and the ftp client kept > deadlocking and sucking up all of my CPU time. Worth $70? Probably > not if it's that buggy. > > Virtual Weather Station (trial version w/CWOP extension) > > This is definitely more sophisticated. Did seem a bit odd that I > needed to install a separate program just to send the APRS data, but > it works. Setup for WU was also painless. I don't get the "raw > barometer" graph that insists my pressure is 266", yet the digital > readout is dead on. I guess this software looks a little too fancy > for me as it does have some broadcast quality features here. $100 > seems a bit much to just send data via CWOP and WU. > > > All I mainly want to do right now is send weather data to CWOP and > WU. > Is there a cheaper way? Not sure if I can tolerate the WeatherLink > stuff (although, it's already paid for). No huge desires to upload > web pages or anything like that, but would be a bonus. > > -- > Joe Morris > _______________________________________________ > wxqc mailing list > Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net > > To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: > http://pond1.gladstonefamily.net:8080/mailman/listinfo/wxqc > > The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > wxqc mailing list > Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net > To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: > http://pond1.gladstonefamily.net:8080/mailman/listinfo/wxqc > > The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. -- -------------------------------------- Evan Bookbinder - WX2CHS Senior Meteorologist National Weather Service WFO Kansas City/Pleasant Hill, MO Evan.Bookbinder at noaa.gov 816-540-6125 http://weather.gov/kc -------------------------------------- From Evan.Bookbinder at noaa.gov Thu Aug 3 13:37:47 2006 From: Evan.Bookbinder at noaa.gov (Evan Bookbinder) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 12:37:47 -0500 Subject: [wxqc] Noobie and software experiences In-Reply-To: References: <6101474e0608030710h526f8e42rb8a8173d0353978@mail.gmail.com> <38F88D0710D14B95B94F0E0E705833C4@sauron> Message-ID: <44D2346B.4070206@noaa.gov> I think he meant: http://www.thunderheadtech.com/WxSolution No extra slash (which assumes a directory listing). Evan Victor Engel wrote: > Did you type in that URL correctly? It doesn't seem to work for me. > > On 8/3/06, *Keith Miller* > wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net > > > [mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net > ]On Behalf Of Joe > Morris > > Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 10:10 AM > > To: wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net > > > Subject: [wxqc] Noobie and software experiences > > > > > > > All I mainly want to do right now is send weather data to > > CWOP and WU. > > Is there a cheaper way? Not sure if I can tolerate the > > WeatherLink stuff (although, it's already paid for). No > > huge desires to upload web pages or anything like that, > > but would be a bonus. > > > > > Since you have to get WeatherLink to get the datalogger, > better to think of that as buying the datalogger. > > Everyone is gonna have their own opinion of what's best, > so you'll probably have to try a few to find what you like. > > I like WxSolution, nice and simple, but lots of features. > http://www.thunderheadtech/WxSoultion/ > > > Keith > -- > CW5250 => http://weather.stadhaugh.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > wxqc mailing list > Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net > > To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: > http://pond1.gladstonefamily.net:8080/mailman/listinfo/wxqc > > The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > wxqc mailing list > Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net > To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: > http://pond1.gladstonefamily.net:8080/mailman/listinfo/wxqc > > The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. -- -------------------------------------- Evan Bookbinder - WX2CHS Senior Meteorologist National Weather Service WFO Kansas City/Pleasant Hill, MO Evan.Bookbinder at noaa.gov 816-540-6125 http://weather.gov/kc -------------------------------------- From brillig at gmail.com Thu Aug 3 13:51:53 2006 From: brillig at gmail.com (Victor Engel) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 12:51:53 -0500 Subject: [wxqc] Noobie and software experiences In-Reply-To: <44D23286.9010007@noaa.gov> References: <6101474e0608030710h526f8e42rb8a8173d0353978@mail.gmail.com> <44D23286.9010007@noaa.gov> Message-ID: No. That is one reason I don't use it. But if you use the port sharing software (I don't, because it doesn't work on Windows NT), you can use it along with another product. On 8/3/06, Evan Bookbinder wrote: > > Victor, does VP Live send to WU though? > > Evan > > Victor Engel wrote: > > Try VP Live (free) at http://www.softwx.com/weather/index.html > > > > On 8/3/06, *Joe Morris* < snowboardjoe at gmail.com > > > wrote: > > > > Big fan of meteorology and used to be a skywarn spotter. I've had a > > Davis WMII setup for years and only lately did I finally break down > > and the the data logger (w/WeatherLink software). This was > triggered > > by re-discovering Wunderground (KNCDURHA9) and being able to see a > > Google map of personal weather stations which I though was quite > > slick. As I was digging for the right software and setup info, I > > stumbled across CWOP (KF4YSO) and was surprised to know that > something > > like this existed. All this time I could have sent data! I got > > things setup last night and though I would share my experiences with > > what I went through, some good, and lots of bad. I just have the > one > > PC at home running WXP. > > > > WeatherLink > > > > This software just appears to be downright awful and it does not > work. > > CWOP setup was pretty easy. WU setup I never got working. Appears > > it could never authenticate with WU even after retyping all of the > > information several times. As the software is running, it seems to > go > > through an overly complicated process of grabbing data from the > > console, compiling it, formatting it and finally sending it on to > > CWOP. The software was unresponsive when it was in the middle of an > > update too. > > > > Weather Display (trial version) > > > > This was a bit better and seemed to be much more lightweight by > > watching the stream of data rather than constantly downloading > > it. WU > > and CWOP setup was pretty painless. Although the barometer > > calibration took me forever to sort out before I finally got it to > > report the correct information--very confusing. Tried some other > > functions to upload a web page and stuff and the ftp client kept > > deadlocking and sucking up all of my CPU time. Worth $70? Probably > > not if it's that buggy. > > > > Virtual Weather Station (trial version w/CWOP extension) > > > > This is definitely more sophisticated. Did seem a bit odd that I > > needed to install a separate program just to send the APRS data, but > > it works. Setup for WU was also painless. I don't get the "raw > > barometer" graph that insists my pressure is 266", yet the digital > > readout is dead on. I guess this software looks a little too fancy > > for me as it does have some broadcast quality features here. $100 > > seems a bit much to just send data via CWOP and WU. > > > > > > All I mainly want to do right now is send weather data to CWOP and > > WU. > > Is there a cheaper way? Not sure if I can tolerate the WeatherLink > > stuff (although, it's already paid for). No huge desires to upload > > web pages or anything like that, but would be a bonus. > > > > -- > > Joe Morris > > _______________________________________________ > > wxqc mailing list > > Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net > > > > To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: > > http://pond1.gladstonefamily.net:8080/mailman/listinfo/wxqc > > > > The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > wxqc mailing list > > Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net > > To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: > > http://pond1.gladstonefamily.net:8080/mailman/listinfo/wxqc > > > > The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. > > -- > -------------------------------------- > Evan Bookbinder - WX2CHS > Senior Meteorologist > National Weather Service > WFO Kansas City/Pleasant Hill, MO > > Evan.Bookbinder at noaa.gov > 816-540-6125 > http://weather.gov/kc > -------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > wxqc mailing list > Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net > To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: > http://pond1.gladstonefamily.net:8080/mailman/listinfo/wxqc > > The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://pond1.gladstonefamily.net:8080/pipermail/wxqc/attachments/20060803/c76658e9/attachment-0001.html From sniadoch at frontiernet.net Thu Aug 3 13:57:41 2006 From: sniadoch at frontiernet.net (Hank Sniadoch) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 13:57:41 -0400 Subject: [wxqc] Noobie and software experiences In-Reply-To: <44D2346B.4070206@noaa.gov> References: <6101474e0608030710h526f8e42rb8a8173d0353978@mail.gmail.com> <38F88D0710D14B95B94F0E0E705833C4@sauron> <44D2346B.4070206@noaa.gov> Message-ID: <44D23915.1050400@frontiernet.net> And correct the soultion spelling to solution. Evan Bookbinder wrote: > I think he meant: http://www.thunderheadtech.com/WxSolution > > No extra slash (which assumes a directory listing). > > Evan > > > > Victor Engel wrote: > >> Did you type in that URL correctly? It doesn't seem to work for me. >> >> On 8/3/06, *Keith Miller* > > wrote: >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net >> >> > [mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net >> ]On Behalf Of Joe >> Morris >> > Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 10:10 AM >> > To: wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net >> >> > Subject: [wxqc] Noobie and software experiences >> > >> > >> >> > All I mainly want to do right now is send weather data to >> > CWOP and WU. >> > Is there a cheaper way? Not sure if I can tolerate the >> > WeatherLink stuff (although, it's already paid for). No >> > huge desires to upload web pages or anything like that, >> > but would be a bonus. >> > >> >> >> Since you have to get WeatherLink to get the datalogger, >> better to think of that as buying the datalogger. >> >> Everyone is gonna have their own opinion of what's best, >> so you'll probably have to try a few to find what you like. >> >> I like WxSolution, nice and simple, but lots of features. >> http://www.thunderheadtech/WxSoultion/ >> >> >> Keith >> -- >> CW5250 => http://weather.stadhaugh.com/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> wxqc mailing list >> Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net >> >> To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: >> http://pond1.gladstonefamily.net:8080/mailman/listinfo/wxqc >> >> The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> wxqc mailing list >> Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net >> To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: >> http://pond1.gladstonefamily.net:8080/mailman/listinfo/wxqc >> >> The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://pond1.gladstonefamily.net:8080/pipermail/wxqc/attachments/20060803/bf52892e/attachment.html From spamfree at pensom.org Thu Aug 3 22:10:59 2006 From: spamfree at pensom.org (spamfree at pensom.org) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 19:10:59 -0700 Subject: [wxqc] Noobie and software experiences Message-ID: Hi, VPLive doesn't send to WU, but I will be adding that feature in a future version. Steve ======= At 2006-08-03, 11:29:42 you wrote: ======= >Victor, does VP Live send to WU though? > >Evan > >Victor Engel wrote: >> Try VP Live (free) at http://www.softwx.com/weather/index.html >> From kdmiller at oldsgmail.com Thu Aug 3 23:58:33 2006 From: kdmiller at oldsgmail.com (Keith Miller) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 23:58:33 -0400 Subject: [wxqc] Noobie and software experiences In-Reply-To: <38F88D0710D14B95B94F0E0E705833C4@sauron> Message-ID: <76DF2529027943908963D4BF0BA25085@sauron> > -----Original Message----- > From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net > [mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net]On Behalf Of > Keith Miller > Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 12:55 PM > To: 'Discussion of weather data quality issues' > Subject: Re: [wxqc] Noobie and software experiences > > > I like WxSolution, nice and simple, but lots of features. > http://www.thunderheadtech/WxSoultion/ > Geez, I messed that one up. 'twas too hot and I wanted to get back to A/C. The correct link would be: http://www.thunderheadtech.com/WxSolution Keith -- CW5250 => http://weather.stadhaugh.com From snowboardjoe at gmail.com Fri Aug 4 09:17:27 2006 From: snowboardjoe at gmail.com (Joe Morris) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 09:17:27 -0400 Subject: [wxqc] Noobie and software experiences In-Reply-To: <76DF2529027943908963D4BF0BA25085@sauron> References: <38F88D0710D14B95B94F0E0E705833C4@sauron> <76DF2529027943908963D4BF0BA25085@sauron> Message-ID: <6101474e0608040617k4cd41bc5pf181489c7836d0ca@mail.gmail.com> On 8/3/06, Keith Miller wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > Geez, I messed that one up. 'twas too hot and I wanted to > get back to A/C. The correct link would be: > http://www.thunderheadtech.com/WxSolution I tried that software last night and it would not talk to my WMII. :( I've been through a lot of software on this PC and this one just kept stating that it could not contact it. Tried restarting it several times, but still no go. I'm back on Weather Display for now and will stick with it a bit longer. There are still a few questions about how/why things work and will take those to the forum to work them out. -- Joe Morris From ken at ubh.com Fri Aug 4 09:53:36 2006 From: ken at ubh.com (Ken Whelan) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 08:53:36 -0500 Subject: [wxqc] Noobie and software experiences Message-ID: <4C7058FCA5307C4BBE440C692631B127386BD3@pig.uhc.cc> Just wanted to add my support for this. This would be greatly appreciated. Thanks kw -----Original Message----- From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net [mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net] On Behalf Of spamfree at pensom.org Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:11 PM To: Discussion of weather data quali Subject: Re: [wxqc] Noobie and software experiences Hi, VPLive doesn't send to WU, but I will be adding that feature in a future version. Steve ======= At 2006-08-03, 11:29:42 you wrote: ======= >Victor, does VP Live send to WU though? > >Evan > >Victor Engel wrote: >> Try VP Live (free) at http://www.softwx.com/weather/index.html >> _______________________________________________ wxqc mailing list Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: http://pond1.gladstonefamily.net:8080/mailman/listinfo/wxqc The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. From sxswcottage at earthlink.net Fri Aug 4 13:31:49 2006 From: sxswcottage at earthlink.net (South by Southwest) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 13:31:49 -0400 Subject: [wxqc] Weatherlink and APRS Uploads Message-ID: <000a01c6b7eb$de8d0820$0201a8c0@NORTHENDVOICE> I 'm using Weatherlink to upload to WU and was uploading to APRS servers. It appears that the servers for APRS are not always dependable. I have used all of them at one time or another. Is there a way to set Weatherlink up so that it doesn't "hang" when trying to access the server? I don't see a rollover option in the software to allow this. Sometimes it will "skip" over the APRS upload cycle when it can't connect....other times it won't.....which means it freezes up and won't allow any data transfer at all. Thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://pond1.gladstonefamily.net:8080/pipermail/wxqc/attachments/20060804/0f1926f1/attachment.html From shell at shellware.com Sat Aug 5 11:35:01 2006 From: shell at shellware.com (Shell Shrader) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 11:35:01 -0400 Subject: [wxqc] Weatherlink and APRS Uploads In-Reply-To: <000a01c6b7eb$de8d0820$0201a8c0@NORTHENDVOICE> References: <000a01c6b7eb$de8d0820$0201a8c0@NORTHENDVOICE> Message-ID: <454977EC-58F9-4B5F-A415-1F0726D1C5CC@mimectl> You may want to check the hostname that you're using to send data to APRS with. In going through the motions to get my stuff to upload to it I remember reading that they use round-robin DNS, in essence there's a horde of servers behind the hostname waiting to receive updates. From: South by Southwest Sent: Fri 8/4/2006 1:31 PM To: wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net Subject: [wxqc] Weatherlink and APRS Uploads I 'm using Weatherlink to upload to WU and was uploading to APRS servers. It appears that the servers for APRS are not always dependable. I have used all of them at one time or another. Is there a way to set Weatherlink up so that it doesn't "hang" when trying to access the server? I don't see a rollover option in the software to allow this. Sometimes it will "skip" over the APRS upload cycle when it can't connect....other times it won't.....which means it freezes up and won't allow any data transfer at all. Thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://pond1.gladstonefamily.net:8080/pipermail/wxqc/attachments/20060805/cb48c576/attachment.html From jmcmurry at mwt.net Sat Aug 5 14:15:29 2006 From: jmcmurry at mwt.net (Jim McMurry) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 13:15:29 -0500 Subject: [wxqc] Weatherlink and APRS Uploads Message-ID: The information on those servers can be found at http://wxqa.com/activecwd.html . - Jim From sooner44 at valornet.com Sat Aug 5 15:45:29 2006 From: sooner44 at valornet.com (Richard Engle) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 14:45:29 -0500 Subject: [wxqc] Weather Link webpage-CW4378 Message-ID: <001a01c6b8c7$b4b9b570$6400a8c0@richardr55aq30> I am using the Weather Link as my webpage for weather right now. My problem is that on the internet, the page shows question marks where the symbol degree should be. i.e. 75?F. However, on my test page on my computer it shows the temperature correctly with the degree symbol. I asked Davis Support, but they can't figure it out. I know it is probably something simple, but I need someone to tell me. Also, I printed off the sources from both the internet and the computer page, and haven't found any difference, yet. I am still looking. The web page is: http://home.valornet.com/sooner44/Current_Vantage_Pro.htm Richard Engle CW4378 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://pond1.gladstonefamily.net:8080/pipermail/wxqc/attachments/20060805/0d5e4e0c/attachment.html From brillig at gmail.com Sat Aug 5 16:08:04 2006 From: brillig at gmail.com (Victor Engel) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 15:08:04 -0500 Subject: [wxqc] Weather Link webpage-CW4378 In-Reply-To: <001a01c6b8c7$b4b9b570$6400a8c0@richardr55aq30> References: <001a01c6b8c7$b4b9b570$6400a8c0@richardr55aq30> Message-ID: It has to do with the character set used. Try changing your web page to use ISO-8859-1 or another character set that renders the symbol correctly. On 8/5/06, Richard Engle wrote: > > I am using the Weather Link as my webpage for weather right now. My > problem is that on the internet, the page shows question marks where the > symbol degree should be. i.e. 75?F. However, on my test page on my > computer it shows the temperature correctly with the degree symbol. I asked > Davis Support, but they can't figure it out. I know it is probably something > simple, but I need someone to tell me. Also, I printed off the sources from > both the internet and the computer page, and haven't found any difference, > yet. I am still looking. The web page is: > http://home.valornet.com/sooner44/Current_Vantage_Pro.htm > > Richard Engle > CW4378 > > _______________________________________________ > wxqc mailing list > Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net > To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: > http://pond1.gladstonefamily.net:8080/mailman/listinfo/wxqc > > The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://pond1.gladstonefamily.net:8080/pipermail/wxqc/attachments/20060805/507f7023/attachment.html From nmupdraft at gmail.com Sat Aug 5 16:36:58 2006 From: nmupdraft at gmail.com (jody radzik) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 14:36:58 -0600 Subject: [wxqc] pressure variability at altitude for CW6266 Message-ID: Hello all. I've got a Davis Vantage Pro2 package installed and sending to FINDU by way of WeatherTracker and the Davis data logger. I've been trying to calibrate my pressure data with METAR data from the local airport. My instruments are at 6890 feet and adjusted for altitude at the data console. I'm finding that my pressure readings appear to have a much greater variability than the METAR data from KSAF. Is this the result of local variability in the actual pressure or is there another problem I'm not seeing here? Thanks to all for your help and advice. --jody radzik. (CW6266) From snowboardjoe at gmail.com Sat Aug 5 19:27:20 2006 From: snowboardjoe at gmail.com (Joe Morris) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 19:27:20 -0400 Subject: [wxqc] Weatherlink and APRS Uploads In-Reply-To: <454977EC-58F9-4B5F-A415-1F0726D1C5CC@mimectl> References: <000a01c6b7eb$de8d0820$0201a8c0@NORTHENDVOICE> <454977EC-58F9-4B5F-A415-1F0726D1C5CC@mimectl> Message-ID: <6101474e0608051627o56265165tc72ad6a232b89ec4@mail.gmail.com> On 8/5/06, Shell Shrader wrote: > You may want to check the hostname that you're using to send data to APRS > with. In going through the motions to get my stuff to upload to it I > remember reading that they use round-robin DNS, in essence there's a horde > of servers behind the hostname waiting to receive updates. Yeah, they have established rotatewx.aprs2.net as the round-robin entry in DNS with 4 servers behind at as of a recent update. However, that only distributes the load across all 4 servers at random for each connection. If DNS throws you at a server that's dead, then you won't connect. At your next interval there is chance you may connect to that dead server again. A big advantage of round-robin DNS is that admins can add and remove servers from that pool at anytime and no one needs to make any changes. If your software allows you to provide multiple servers, then your software can make the active choice to failover to another working server to get that data through in a timely fashion. -- Joe Morris From mark at markwyman.com Sat Aug 5 21:37:09 2006 From: mark at markwyman.com (Mark Wyman) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 21:37:09 -0400 Subject: [wxqc] Davis with no PC? Message-ID: <001501c6b8f8$d5f792d0$01fea8c0@MWYMANS> Hi all, Getting tired of leaving my PC on day and night for this, especially with the threat of being hacked while it sits there. I was wondering if anyone has come up with a convenient way to get weather data from a Vantage Pro II to the internet without using a full PC to do the job. Can WeatherLink be run on a CE device? Are there any Palm-style devices that would be suited for this? My DSL modem has wireless, and if I could find an E-Bay Palm for this it would be great! Especially during T-storms when I have to yank the power on the PC. I could loose too much if I left everything running and we had a strike. Thanks! -Mark -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/409 - Release Date: 8/4/2006 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://pond1.gladstonefamily.net:8080/pipermail/wxqc/attachments/20060805/107cb081/attachment.html From nmupdraft at gmail.com Sun Aug 6 00:27:14 2006 From: nmupdraft at gmail.com (jody radzik) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 22:27:14 -0600 Subject: [wxqc] wxqc pressure variablility at altitude for CW6266 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Geoffrey. Thanks for the reply. On 8/5/06, Geoffrey Dick wrote: > On Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 14:36:58 -0600 > > jody (CW6266) > > Subject: [wxqc] pressure variability at altitude for CW6266 > > > > I'm finding that my pressure readings appear to have a much greater > > variability than the METAR data from KSAF. Is this the result of > > local variability in the actual pressure or is there another problem > > I'm not seeing here? > > Jody, > > Could your station be experiencing a Venturi effect from being located > on the face of a mountain? I noticed from topographical mapping that > KSAF is at lower altitude at 1934 m out in the open, 14.5 miles away. > Your station is at 2098 m in elevation on the western face of a mountain > pass. I'm just south of Pacheco Canyon, which goes up into the west face of the Sangre de Christo mountains north of Santa Fe. I'm actually more near the bottom of the range than on the face, but there are many low hills and arroyos around here. In other words, a good deal of topographic variability. > I also noticed that you changed your offset in the last day. It appears > to be an improvement. As I see it, it tracks well with ASOS station > KLAM, only 20.4 miles away, at 2186 m in elevation. KLAM appears to > be located east of mountainous terrain, so you might see some variation > from daily change in prevailing winds. Make note of your barometric > readings for comparison when winds are at the lowest level. Let us > know if that seems to reduce the observed variability in pressure. I'll keep an eye on where KLAM is at pressure-wise. I've been trying to match KSAF, but I'll jump .10" over and a few less than that under what the METAR data is saying. > Geoffrey Dick > WA4IKQ (AS140) Thanks again for the help, Geoffrey. I can see that my adjustments are making some difference in the quality-control graphs. Hopefully I can pull this more into range and make my data more useful than it's been so far. --jody radzik. (CW6266) From kdmiller at oldsgmail.com Sun Aug 6 00:41:05 2006 From: kdmiller at oldsgmail.com (Keith Miller) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2006 00:41:05 -0400 Subject: [wxqc] Weather Link webpage-CW4378 In-Reply-To: <001a01c6b8c7$b4b9b570$6400a8c0@richardr55aq30> Message-ID: <48B2C416CDCA44188D5F41DB748E4942@sauron> >-----Original Message----- >From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net [mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net]On Behalf Of Richard Engle >Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 3:45 PM >To: wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net >Subject: [wxqc] Weather Link webpage-CW4378 > > I am using the Weather Link as my webpage for weather > right now. My problem is that on the internet, the page > shows question marks where the symbol degree should be. Maybe someday these people that write weather programs will figure out html... Right off the top, your page is missing a doctype, char encoding and the refresh meta tag is in the body rather than the head where it should be. Even allowing for those, it still fails w3c validation with about 80 problems. Some are propritary MS tags, some I'm not sure. Keith -- CW5250 => http://weather.stadhaugh.com From gerry.creager at tamu.edu Sun Aug 6 01:42:37 2006 From: gerry.creager at tamu.edu (Gerry Creager) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2006 00:42:37 -0500 Subject: [wxqc] Davis with no PC? In-Reply-To: <001501c6b8f8$d5f792d0$01fea8c0@MWYMANS> References: <001501c6b8f8$d5f792d0$01fea8c0@MWYMANS> Message-ID: <44D5814D.9060407@tamu.edu> Linksys NSLU2, linux and wview. Works great, costs ~$80-100 and the hack potential is 'way lower. gerry Mark Wyman wrote: > Hi all, > > Getting tired of leaving my PC on day and night for this, > especially with the threat of being hacked while it sits there. I was > wondering if anyone has come up with a convenient way to get weather > data from a Vantage Pro II to the internet without using a full PC to do > the job. Can WeatherLink be run on a CE device? Are there any Palm-style > devices that would be suited for this? My DSL modem has wireless, and if > I could find an E-Bay Palm for this it would be great! Especially during > T-storms when I have to yank the power on the PC. I could loose too much > if I left everything running and we had a strike. > > > > Thanks! > > > > -Mark > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/409 - Release Date: 8/4/2006 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > wxqc mailing list > Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net > To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: > http://pond1.gladstonefamily.net:8080/mailman/listinfo/wxqc > > The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. -- Gerry Creager -- gerry.creager at tamu.edu Texas Mesonet -- AATLT, Texas A&M University Cell: 979.229.5301 Office: 979.458.4020 FAX 979.862.3983 MAIL: AATLT, 3139 TAMU Physical: 1700 Research Parkway, Suite 160, College Station, TX 77843-3139 From CreweWeather at earthlink.net Sun Aug 6 08:36:27 2006 From: CreweWeather at earthlink.net (CreweWeather) Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 08:36:27 -0400 Subject: [wxqc] Davis with no PC? In-Reply-To: <001501c6b8f8$d5f792d0$01fea8c0@MWYMANS> Message-ID: <001e01c6b954$efea77f0$0400a8c0@TCTP6> Yard Sales! I found a PI several years ago for $35 and it worked great until lightning took it south. Replaced it with another Yard Sale PC that I paid $45 and no monitor, keyboard or mouse needed except for the initial setup. Remote administration through VNC. I would suggest a router between your DSL modem and PC though. _____ From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net [mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net] On Behalf Of Mark Wyman Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 9:37 PM To: 'Discussion of weather data quality issues' Subject: [wxqc] Davis with no PC? Hi all, Getting tired of leaving my PC on day and night for this, especially with the threat of being hacked while it sits there. I was wondering if anyone has come up with a convenient way to get weather data from a Vantage Pro II to the internet without using a full PC to do the job. Can WeatherLink be run on a CE device? Are there any Palm-style devices that would be suited for this? My DSL modem has wireless, and if I could find an E-Bay Palm for this it would be great! Especially during T-storms when I have to yank the power on the PC. I could loose too much if I left everything running and we had a strike. Thanks! -Mark -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/409 - Release Date: 8/4/2006 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://pond1.gladstonefamily.net:8080/pipermail/wxqc/attachments/20060806/a7abce4a/attachment.html From brillig at gmail.com Sun Aug 6 12:25:13 2006 From: brillig at gmail.com (Victor Engel) Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 11:25:13 -0500 Subject: [wxqc] First Barometer Adjustment Message-ID: I got tired of waiting for a nice, calm, high in the early afternoon. This morning, it was relatively calm, and the barometer both here and at the airport was rock-steady. So I took this opportunity to make an adjustment. The online METAR report is updated very rarely (seems like daily), so I used the telephone service at the airport instead, which is live. How accurate can I expect the airport's altimeter reading to be? I'm thinking that since it's an airport, and altimeter readings are important for air navigation, it's probably pretty accurate. Victor CW6155 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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SHAW,III 2011 spreading oak lane richmond texas 77469-1274 K5LOT ham call sign/ NNNO YFAT marine corp mars call sign 281-342-7429/713-299-1274 -------Original Message------- From: wxqc-request at lists.gladstonefamily.net Date: 8/6/2006 10:01:53 AM To: wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net Subject: wxqc Digest, Vol 22, Issue 9 Send wxqc mailing list submissions to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://pond1.gladstonefamily.net:8080/mailman/listinfo/wxqc or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to wxqc-request at lists.gladstonefamily.net You can reach the person managing the list at wxqc-owner at lists.gladstonefamily.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of wxqc digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Davis with no PC? (Gerry Creager) 2. Re: Davis with no PC? (CreweWeather) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2006 00:42:37 -0500 From: Gerry Creager Subject: Re: [wxqc] Davis with no PC? To: mark at markwyman.com, Discussion of weather data quality issues Message-ID: <44D5814D.9060407 at tamu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1250; format=flowed Linksys NSLU2, linux and wview. Works great, costs ~$80-100 and the hack potential is 'way lower. gerry Mark Wyman wrote: > Hi all, > > Getting tired of leaving my PC on day and night for this, > especially with the threat of being hacked while it sits there. I was > wondering if anyone has come up with a convenient way to get weather > data from a Vantage Pro II to the internet without using a full PC to do > the job. Can WeatherLink be run on a CE device? Are there any Palm-style > devices that would be suited for this? My DSL modem has wireless, and if > I could find an E-Bay Palm for this it would be great! Especially during > T-storms when I have to yank the power on the PC. I could loose too much > if I left everything running and we had a strike. > > > > Thanks! > > > > -Mark > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/409 - Release Date: 8/4/2006 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > wxqc mailing list > Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net > To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: > http://pond1.gladstonefamily.net:8080/mailman/listinfo/wxqc > > The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. -- Gerry Creager -- gerry.creager at tamu.edu Texas Mesonet -- AATLT, Texas A&M University Cell: 979.229.5301 Office: 979.458.4020 FAX 979.862.3983 MAIL: AATLT, 3139 TAMU Physical: 1700 Research Parkway, Suite 160, College Station, TX 77843-3139 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 08:36:27 -0400 From: "CreweWeather" Subject: Re: [wxqc] Davis with no PC? To: , "'Discussion of weather data quality issues'" Message-ID: <001e01c6b954$efea77f0$0400a8c0 at TCTP6> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yard Sales! I found a PI several years ago for $35 and it worked great until lightning took it south. Replaced it with another Yard Sale PC that I paid $45 and no monitor, keyboard or mouse needed except for the initial setup. Remote administration through VNC. I would suggest a router between your DSL modem and PC though. _____ From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net [mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net] On Behalf Of Mark Wyman Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 9:37 PM To: 'Discussion of weather data quality issues' Subject: [wxqc] Davis with no PC? Hi all, Getting tired of leaving my PC on day and night for this, especially with the threat of being hacked while it sits there. I was wondering if anyone has come up with a convenient way to get weather data from a Vantage Pro II to the internet without using a full PC to do the job. Can WeatherLink be run on a CE device? Are there any Palm-style devices that would be suited for this? My DSL modem has wireless, and if I could find an E-Bay Palm for this it would be great! Especially during T-storms when I have to yank the power on the PC. I could loose too much if I left everything running and we had a strike. Thanks! -Mark -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/409 - Release Date: 8/4/2006 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 168 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://pond1.gladstonefamily.net:8080/pipermail/wxqc/attachments/20060806/a1557bb4/attachment-0003.gif From DeerTrail131 at aol.com Thu Aug 3 14:04:45 2006 From: DeerTrail131 at aol.com (DeerTrail131 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 14:04:45 EDT Subject: [wxqc] Running Message-ID: <463.4da06100.320394bd@aol.com> Russ & Randy The Deer Trail Weather Station is up and running again, after I went over and talking to Mary at the Deer Trail School District 26 J Superintended. The Weather vane is now working with the direction. Dennis the Computer tech has not installed the backup system with the C0899 So, everything is back to normal. _http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/wxpage.cgi?call=CW0899!Deer%20Trail%20Schools&la st=24 Ron Schaffer wd?bdq P. O. Box 131 Deer Trail, Colorado. 80105 Deertrail131 at aol.com _ (http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/wxpage.cgi?call=CW0899!Deer%20Trail%20Schools&last=24) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://pond1.gladstonefamily.net:8080/pipermail/wxqc/attachments/20060803/1ec5f9ba/attachment.html From brillig at gmail.com Sun Aug 6 12:44:26 2006 From: brillig at gmail.com (Victor Engel) Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 11:44:26 -0500 Subject: [wxqc] First Barometer Adjustment In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I take it back. The phone update is not live. But they do give the time of the report (as in a METAR). The report seems to be a couple of hours old at the time I made the adjustment. The barometer reading on my console has also been constant over those two hours, and is still the same. I've been observing occasionally over the past month, and according to the MADIS reports, I was expecting to add a bit more than 1 millibar. The 0.07 inches I wound up adding is closer to 2 1/2 millibars, so I'll be over the analysis now about the same amount I was under before. This is because most of the stations in my neighborhood have barometer readings lower than the airport has. The TV stations tend to be closer to the airport's value. On 8/6/06, Victor Engel wrote: > > I got tired of waiting for a nice, calm, high in the early afternoon. This > morning, it was relatively calm, and the barometer both here and at the > airport was rock-steady. So I took this opportunity to make an adjustment. > The online METAR report is updated very rarely (seems like daily), so I used > the telephone service at the airport instead, which is live. How accurate > can I expect the airport's altimeter reading to be? I'm thinking that since > it's an airport, and altimeter readings are important for air navigation, > it's probably pretty accurate. > > Victor > CW6155 > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://pond1.gladstonefamily.net:8080/pipermail/wxqc/attachments/20060806/08ec49bf/attachment.html From Evan.Bookbinder at noaa.gov Sun Aug 6 12:48:17 2006 From: Evan.Bookbinder at noaa.gov (Evan Bookbinder) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2006 11:48:17 -0500 Subject: [wxqc] First Barometer Adjustment References: Message-ID: <007701c6b978$1e79ca30$6801a8c0@stormalerthp> Victor, Since the console needs to be set to Sea Level Pressure and not Altimeter, using the telephone value will result in incorrect data being sent via to the APRS/CWOP network. The software takes the consoles sea level pressure and back calculated the altimeter setting. You should be calibrating your instrument among several nearby ASOS sites - KATT and KAUS. http://www.uswx.com/us/wx/TX/KATT/ http://www.uswx.com/us/wx/TX/KAUS/ Please refer to my earlier post from last week. Evan ----- Original Message ----- From: Victor Engel To: Discussion of weather data quality issues Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 11:25 AM Subject: [wxqc] First Barometer Adjustment I got tired of waiting for a nice, calm, high in the early afternoon. This morning, it was relatively calm, and the barometer both here and at the airport was rock-steady. So I took this opportunity to make an adjustment. The online METAR report is updated very rarely (seems like daily), so I used the telephone service at the airport instead, which is live. How accurate can I expect the airport's altimeter reading to be? I'm thinking that since it's an airport, and altimeter readings are important for air navigation, it's probably pretty accurate. Victor CW6155 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ wxqc mailing list Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: http://pond1.gladstonefamily.net:8080/mailman/listinfo/wxqc The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://pond1.gladstonefamily.net:8080/pipermail/wxqc/attachments/20060806/5f071c6d/attachment.html From brillig at gmail.com Sun Aug 6 13:11:16 2006 From: brillig at gmail.com (Victor Engel) Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 12:11:16 -0500 Subject: [wxqc] First Barometer Adjustment In-Reply-To: <007701c6b978$1e79ca30$6801a8c0@stormalerthp> References: <007701c6b978$1e79ca30$6801a8c0@stormalerthp> Message-ID: I don't trust KATT (at least not until further research) because I don't trust the location. It varies between near the old airport and Camp Mabry, several miles away. More importantly, the altitude is different at the two sites. Until I'm satisfied that its location is reported correctly, I am ignoring KATT data. Regarding your point about sea level vs. altimeter, OOPS! I knew that, and I did it anyway. Thanks for the links. I've corrected the console back. On 8/6/06, Evan Bookbinder wrote: > > Victor, > > Since the console needs to be set to Sea Level Pressure and not Altimeter, > using the telephone value will result in incorrect data being sent via to > the APRS/CWOP network. The software takes the consoles sea level pressure > and back calculated the altimeter setting. > > You should be calibrating your instrument among several nearby ASOS sites > - KATT and KAUS. > http://www.uswx.com/us/wx/TX/KATT/ > http://www.uswx.com/us/wx/TX/KAUS/ > > > Please refer to my earlier post from last week. > > Evan > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Victor Engel > *To:* Discussion of weather data quality issues > *Sent:* Sunday, August 06, 2006 11:25 AM > *Subject:* [wxqc] First Barometer Adjustment > > I got tired of waiting for a nice, calm, high in the early afternoon. This > morning, it was relatively calm, and the barometer both here and at the > airport was rock-steady. So I took this opportunity to make an adjustment. > The online METAR report is updated very rarely (seems like daily), so I used > the telephone service at the airport instead, which is live. How accurate > can I expect the airport's altimeter reading to be? I'm thinking that since > it's an airport, and altimeter readings are important for air navigation, > it's probably pretty accurate. > > Victor > CW6155 > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > wxqc mailing list > Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net > To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: > http://pond1.gladstonefamily.net:8080/mailman/listinfo/wxqc > > The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. > > > _______________________________________________ > wxqc mailing list > Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net > To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: > http://pond1.gladstonefamily.net:8080/mailman/listinfo/wxqc > > The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://pond1.gladstonefamily.net:8080/pipermail/wxqc/attachments/20060806/fd027817/attachment.html From brillig at gmail.com Sun Aug 6 13:15:10 2006 From: brillig at gmail.com (Victor Engel) Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 12:15:10 -0500 Subject: [wxqc] First Barometer Adjustment In-Reply-To: <007701c6b978$1e79ca30$6801a8c0@stormalerthp> References: <007701c6b978$1e79ca30$6801a8c0@stormalerthp> Message-ID: By the way, does anyone know of a site that shows like isobar maps? On 8/6/06, Evan Bookbinder wrote: > > Victor, > > Since the console needs to be set to Sea Level Pressure and not Altimeter, > using the telephone value will result in incorrect data being sent via to > the APRS/CWOP network. The software takes the consoles sea level pressure > and back calculated the altimeter setting. > > You should be calibrating your instrument among several nearby ASOS sites > - KATT and KAUS. > http://www.uswx.com/us/wx/TX/KATT/ > http://www.uswx.com/us/wx/TX/KAUS/ > > > Please refer to my earlier post from last week. > > Evan > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Victor Engel > *To:* Discussion of weather data quality issues > *Sent:* Sunday, August 06, 2006 11:25 AM > *Subject:* [wxqc] First Barometer Adjustment > > I got tired of waiting for a nice, calm, high in the early afternoon. This > morning, it was relatively calm, and the barometer both here and at the > airport was rock-steady. So I took this opportunity to make an adjustment. > The online METAR report is updated very rarely (seems like daily), so I used > the telephone service at the airport instead, which is live. How accurate > can I expect the airport's altimeter reading to be? I'm thinking that since > it's an airport, and altimeter readings are important for air navigation, > it's probably pretty accurate. > > Victor > CW6155 > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > wxqc mailing list > Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net > To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: > http://pond1.gladstonefamily.net:8080/mailman/listinfo/wxqc > > The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. > > > _______________________________________________ > wxqc mailing list > Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net > To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: > http://pond1.gladstonefamily.net:8080/mailman/listinfo/wxqc > > The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://pond1.gladstonefamily.net:8080/pipermail/wxqc/attachments/20060806/5979d86c/attachment-0001.html From brillig at gmail.com Sun Aug 6 13:19:15 2006 From: brillig at gmail.com (Victor Engel) Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 12:19:15 -0500 Subject: [wxqc] First Barometer Adjustment In-Reply-To: References: <007701c6b978$1e79ca30$6801a8c0@stormalerthp> Message-ID: Never mind. I clicked on the wrong pressure link on the page Mr. Bookbinder gave. I clicked on the one pointing to the glossary. There's another one that brings up isobars. Thanks, again for the links. On 8/6/06, Victor Engel wrote: > > By the way, does anyone know of a site that shows like isobar maps? > > On 8/6/06, Evan Bookbinder wrote: > > > Victor, > > > > Since the console needs to be set to Sea Level Pressure and not > > Altimeter, using the telephone value will result in incorrect data being > > sent via to the APRS/CWOP network. The software takes the consoles sea level > > pressure and back calculated the altimeter setting. > > > > You should be calibrating your instrument among several nearby ASOS > > sites - KATT and KAUS. > > http://www.uswx.com/us/wx/TX/KATT/ > > http://www.uswx.com/us/wx/TX/KAUS/ > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://pond1.gladstonefamily.net:8080/pipermail/wxqc/attachments/20060806/b943657c/attachment.html From steveh at softwx.com Sun Aug 6 17:05:04 2006 From: steveh at softwx.com (steveh at softwx.com) Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 15:05:04 -0600 Subject: [wxqc] First Barometer Adjustment Message-ID: My favorite method of calibrating the VP barometer for accurate CWOP submissions is to look up the altimeter reading for a reliable NWS or FAA station at time of relatively stable pressure. I then look up the altimeter value my station submitted to CWOP as near to that time as possible. I then calculate the difference, and correct my VP console's pressure by that same amount. This site is useful for making the comparison: http://www.met.utah.edu/mesowest/ In the upper left corner, select "Station ID", and then in the box below enter either the airport id such as KEUL or your station's id in the format c#### (ex: c1234, not cw1234). For example, here is the page for the nearby station I use for calibrations: http://www.met.utah.edu/cgi-bin/droman/meso_base.cgi?stn=KEUL You can scroll the top pane to see the history of observations. There will be a similar page at Mesowest showing your own station's CWOP observations. As an example, if KEUL showed altimeter of 29.97 inHG at 1pm, and my station showed altimeter of 29.91 at 1pm, then I would increase whatever pressure was currently displayed on my console by .06 inHg. Using this method, you don't have to worry about the issue of CWOP getting altimeter, and the console showing sea level pressure. You also can pick a period of time during the past 24 hours when the pressure was relatively stable. Steve I don't trust KATT (at least not until further research) because I don't trust the location. It varies between near the old airport and Camp Mabry, several miles away. More importantly, the altitude is different at the two sites. Until I'm satisfied that its location is reported correctly, I am ignoring KATT data. Regarding your point about sea level vs. altimeter, OOPS! I knew that, and I did it anyway. Thanks for the links. I've corrected the console back. On 8/6/06, Evan Bookbinder wrote: Victor, Since the console needs to be set to Sea Level Pressure and not Altimeter, using the telephone value will result in incorrect data being sent via to the APRS/CWOP network. The software takes the consoles sea level pressure and back calculated the altimeter setting. You should be calibrating your instrument among several nearby ASOS sites - KATT and KAUS. http://www.uswx.com/us/wx/TX/KATT/ http://www.uswx.com/us/wx/TX/KAUS/ Please refer to my earlier post from last week. Evan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://pond1.gladstonefamily.net:8080/pipermail/wxqc/attachments/20060806/c8988687/attachment.html From wx at w0lta.net Sun Aug 6 17:35:04 2006 From: wx at w0lta.net (Rick Patterson) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2006 15:35:04 -0600 Subject: [wxqc] First Barometer Adjustment In-Reply-To: <20060806210608.4430D5C757@willers.employees.org> References: <20060806210608.4430D5C757@willers.employees.org> Message-ID: <44D66088.6040500@w0lta.net> Interesting, but how do you compensate for altitude? I have a nearly a miles worth and that seems to through my VP2 into a dither when I use this method and have the attitude set correctly. Even Bookbinder's tip sheet last week has produced the best results at my station. Rick w0lta / AR797 steveh at softwx.com wrote: > My favorite method of calibrating the VP barometer for accurate CWOP > submissions is to look up the altimeter reading for a reliable NWS or > FAA station at time of relatively stable pressure. I then look up the > altimeter value my station submitted to CWOP as near to that time as > possible. I then calculate the difference, and correct my VP console's > pressure by that same amount. This site is useful for making the > comparison: > > http://www.met.utah.edu/mesowest/ > In the upper left corner, select "Station ID", and then in the box > below enter either the airport id such as KEUL or your station's id in > the format c#### (ex: c1234, not cw1234). > > For example, here is the page for the nearby station I use for > calibrations: > http://www.met.utah.edu/cgi-bin/droman/meso_base.cgi?stn=KEUL > > You can scroll the top pane to see the history of observations. There > will be a similar page at Mesowest showing your own station's CWOP > observations. > > As an example, if KEUL showed altimeter of 29.97 inHG at 1pm, and my > station showed altimeter of 29.91 at 1pm, then I would increase > whatever pressure was currently displayed on my console by .06 inHg. > Using this method, you don't have to worry about the issue of CWOP > getting altimeter, and the console showing sea level pressure. You > also can pick a period of time during the past 24 hours when the > pressure was relatively stable. > > Steve > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > I don't trust KATT (at least not until further research) because I > don't trust the location. It varies between near the old airport and > Camp Mabry, several miles away. More importantly, the altitude is > different at the two sites. Until I'm satisfied that its location is > reported correctly, I am ignoring KATT data. > > Regarding your point about sea level vs. altimeter, OOPS! I knew that, > and I did it anyway. Thanks for the links. I've corrected the console > back. > > On 8/6/06, *Evan Bookbinder* > wrote: > > Victor, > > Since the console needs to be set to Sea Level Pressure and not > Altimeter, using the telephone value will result in incorrect data > being sent via to the APRS/CWOP network. The software takes the > consoles sea level pressure and back calculated the altimeter > setting. > > You should be calibrating your instrument among several nearby > ASOS sites - KATT and KAUS. > http://www.uswx.com/us/wx/TX/KATT/ > http://www.uswx.com/us/wx/TX/KAUS/ > > > Please refer to my earlier post from last week. > > Evan > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > wxqc mailing list > Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net > To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: > http://pond1.gladstonefamily.net:8080/mailman/listinfo/wxqc > > The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. From Evan.Bookbinder at noaa.gov Sun Aug 6 18:02:29 2006 From: Evan.Bookbinder at noaa.gov (Evan Bookbinder) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2006 17:02:29 -0500 Subject: [wxqc] First Barometer Adjustment References: <20060806210608.4430D5C757@willers.employees.org> <44D66088.6040500@w0lta.net> Message-ID: <000c01c6b9a4$03b693f0$6601a8c0@HPLAPTOP> For the exact reason you stated Rick, Steven's calibration method below is definitely *not* a recommended practice, and in reality doesn't provide any sort of calibration at all since you're comparing apples to oranges. Using the instructions I provided, you should receive excellent results. I've received over a dozen emails from folks who now have both their console *and* their CWOP transmission well in alignment with official observation points. http://pond1.gladstonefamily.net:8080/cgi-bin/wxqchart.pl?site=AP536 If you look at my barometer trace you'll see that the data follow the analysis curve very well, but there's a constant analysis error of roughly +1.3mb. At first someone might think my pressure trace is off, but if I plot my curve against official observations, it's nearly dead on. The problem you see in the link above is because most everyone ELSE in the analysis is sending the wrong variable, so don't be fooled by a constant bias either. By the way, it's 103 degrees out. Someone PLEASE send some rain to Kansas City. My VP console says "Rain within 12 hours" and usually the opposite is true, so I'm not too terribly optimistic :) Evan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Patterson" To: "Discussion of weather data quality issues" Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [wxqc] First Barometer Adjustment > Interesting, but how do you compensate for altitude? I have a nearly a > miles worth and that seems to through my VP2 into a dither when I use > this method and have the attitude set correctly. > > Even Bookbinder's tip sheet last week has produced the best results at > my station. > > Rick > w0lta / AR797 > > steveh at softwx.com wrote: >> My favorite method of calibrating the VP barometer for accurate CWOP >> submissions is to look up the altimeter reading for a reliable NWS or >> FAA station at time of relatively stable pressure. I then look up the >> altimeter value my station submitted to CWOP as near to that time as >> possible. I then calculate the difference, and correct my VP console's >> pressure by that same amount. This site is useful for making the >> comparison: >> >> http://www.met.utah.edu/mesowest/ >> In the upper left corner, select "Station ID", and then in the box >> below enter either the airport id such as KEUL or your station's id in >> the format c#### (ex: c1234, not cw1234). >> >> For example, here is the page for the nearby station I use for >> calibrations: >> http://www.met.utah.edu/cgi-bin/droman/meso_base.cgi?stn=KEUL >> >> You can scroll the top pane to see the history of observations. There >> will be a similar page at Mesowest showing your own station's CWOP >> observations. >> >> As an example, if KEUL showed altimeter of 29.97 inHG at 1pm, and my >> station showed altimeter of 29.91 at 1pm, then I would increase >> whatever pressure was currently displayed on my console by .06 inHg. >> Using this method, you don't have to worry about the issue of CWOP >> getting altimeter, and the console showing sea level pressure. You >> also can pick a period of time during the past 24 hours when the >> pressure was relatively stable. >> >> Steve >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> I don't trust KATT (at least not until further research) because I >> don't trust the location. It varies between near the old airport and >> Camp Mabry, several miles away. More importantly, the altitude is >> different at the two sites. Until I'm satisfied that its location is >> reported correctly, I am ignoring KATT data. >> >> Regarding your point about sea level vs. altimeter, OOPS! I knew that, >> and I did it anyway. Thanks for the links. I've corrected the console >> back. >> >> On 8/6/06, *Evan Bookbinder* > > wrote: >> >> Victor, >> >> Since the console needs to be set to Sea Level Pressure and not >> Altimeter, using the telephone value will result in incorrect data >> being sent via to the APRS/CWOP network. The software takes the >> consoles sea level pressure and back calculated the altimeter >> setting. >> >> You should be calibrating your instrument among several nearby >> ASOS sites - KATT and KAUS. >> http://www.uswx.com/us/wx/TX/KATT/ >> http://www.uswx.com/us/wx/TX/KAUS/ >> >> >> Please refer to my earlier post from last week. >> >> Evan >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> wxqc mailing list >> Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net >> To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: >> http://pond1.gladstonefamily.net:8080/mailman/listinfo/wxqc >> >> The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. > > _______________________________________________ > wxqc mailing list > Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net > To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: > http://pond1.gladstonefamily.net:8080/mailman/listinfo/wxqc > > The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. > From steveh at softwx.com Sun Aug 6 18:10:08 2006 From: steveh at softwx.com (steveh at softwx.com) Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 16:10:08 -0600 Subject: [wxqc] First Barometer Adjustment Message-ID: Hi, I should have said "look up the altimeter reading for a NEARBY, reliable NWS or FAA station". Also, my advice assumes you have the console's elevation set to your station's actual elevation. If that is the case, then elevation should not be an issue. Even if the nearby NWS station is at a different elevation than your station, that is covered by the fact that altimeter values are already adjusted for altitude (altimeter is calculated by adjusting the raw pressure to show what the pressure would be at sea level, assuming a standard atmosphere). The problem with using the current reported sea level pressure of a nearby NWS station and setting your console to match are: 1) the NWS pressure could have been recoreded some time ago, and 2) what gets reported as the pressure for NWS stations is often really the altimeter reading, and you don't want to set your console to that value. Steve ======= At 2006-08-06, 15:35:04 you wrote: ======= >Interesting, but how do you compensate for altitude? I have a nearly a >miles worth and that seems to through my VP2 into a dither when I use >this method and have the attitude set correctly. > >Even Bookbinder's tip sheet last week has produced the best results at >my station. > >Rick >w0lta / AR797 > >steveh at softwx.com wrote: >> My favorite method of calibrating the VP barometer for accurate CWOP >> submissions is to look up the altimeter reading for a reliable NWS or >> FAA station at time of relatively stable pressure. I then look up the >> altimeter value my station submitted to CWOP as near to that time as >> possible. I then calculate the difference, and correct my VP console's >> pressure by that same amount. This site is useful for making the >> comparison: >> From steveh at softwx.com Sun Aug 6 18:24:51 2006 From: steveh at softwx.com (steveh at softwx.com) Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 16:24:51 -0600 Subject: [wxqc] First Barometer Adjustment Message-ID: ======= At 2006-08-06, 16:02:29 you wrote: ======= >For the exact reason you stated Rick, Steven's calibration method below is >definitely *not* a recommended practice, and in reality doesn't provide any >sort of calibration at all since you're comparing apples to oranges. > >At first someone might think my pressure trace is off, but if I plot >my curve against official observations, it's nearly dead on. Which is exactly what my method is doing. It compares your CWOP altimeter value at a specific time to the altimeter value at a reliable nearby NWS station, and then applies the delta (and that is the key part..you are adjusting your console by that delta amount) to the console's pressure. The next calculated altimeter value sent to CWOP will then reflect the adjustment by that delta amount. The reason I use this is because it solves several problems: 1) the time delay between when you do the calibration and when the NWS did its last observation 2) the fact that many sources will report the altimeter for the NWS, not the SLP 3) even if you do get the true sea level reduced pressure for the NWS station, they calculate it differently than the console does, so if you set the console to that pressure, the back caculated altimeter value will vary from the NWS altimeter by the amount of difference between the NWS SLP calculation and the Davis calculation. Steve From brillig at gmail.com Sun Aug 6 19:39:00 2006 From: brillig at gmail.com (Victor Engel) Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 18:39:00 -0500 Subject: [wxqc] First Barometer Adjustment In-Reply-To: <44d66c74.5b52241b.3fd5.fffff65fSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.gmail.com> References: <44d66c74.5b52241b.3fd5.fffff65fSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.gmail.com> Message-ID: Steve, Your method is essentially what I was trying to do (except using wunderground instead of cwop). Where I erred was in comparing a sea level reading with an altimeter reading to get the offset. I prefer wunderground, by the way, because the tabulated data is listed both in inches of Hg and in millibars. CWOP is listed only in millibars, and my console is currently set up in inches of Hg, so an extra conversion step would be required, unless I'm missing something. After my adjustment, my reading has been in lockstep with the airport (using link http://www.met.utah.edu/cgi-bin/droman/meso_base.cgi?stn=Kaus) except for the most recent reading, where there was a thunderstorm near the airport. Anyway, I took this opportunity to calibrate because there was a stretch of about 3 hours with near constant pressure. Victor On 8/6/06, steveh at softwx.com wrote: > > ======= At 2006-08-06, 16:02:29 you wrote: ======= > > >For the exact reason you stated Rick, Steven's calibration method below > is > >definitely *not* a recommended practice, and in reality doesn't provide > any > >sort of calibration at all since you're comparing apples to oranges. > > > >At first someone might think my pressure trace is off, but if I plot > >my curve against official observations, it's nearly dead on. > > Which is exactly what my method is doing. It compares your CWOP altimeter > value at a specific time to the altimeter value at a reliable nearby NWS > station, and then applies the delta (and that is the key part..you are > adjusting your console by that delta amount) to the console's pressure. The > next calculated altimeter value sent to CWOP will then reflect the > adjustment by that delta amount. The reason I use this is because it solves > several problems: > > 1) the time delay between when you do the calibration and when the NWS did > its last observation > 2) the fact that many sources will report the altimeter for the NWS, not > the SLP > 3) even if you do get the true sea level reduced pressure for the NWS > station, they calculate it differently than the console does, so if you set > the console to that pressure, the back caculated altimeter value will vary > from the NWS altimeter by the amount of difference between the NWS SLP > calculation and the Davis calculation. > > Steve > > _______________________________________________ > wxqc mailing list > Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net > To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: > http://pond1.gladstonefamily.net:8080/mailman/listinfo/wxqc > > The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If you view these clouds with polarized sunglasses, the colors become even more vivid. On 8/6/06, Hanford R Wright wrote: > > Hi Evan > I know that this is slightly off topic but could you please tell me what > type of cloud I caught in this picture??? > > Best Regards > > > http://www.wunderground.com/wximage/viewsingleimage.html?mode=singleimage&ha > > ndle=Bushwacker10&number=0&album_id=0&thumbstart=0&gallery=CURRWEATHER#slide > anchor > > > _______________________________________________ > wxqc mailing list > Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net > To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: > http://pond1.gladstonefamily.net:8080/mailman/listinfo/wxqc > > The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://pond1.gladstonefamily.net:8080/pipermail/wxqc/attachments/20060806/44b45024/attachment.html From paulgrace at lookoutranch.com Mon Aug 7 00:17:04 2006 From: paulgrace at lookoutranch.com (Paul Grace) Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 21:17:04 -0700 Subject: [wxqc] Davis with no PC? In-Reply-To: <001e01c6b954$efea77f0$0400a8c0@TCTP6> Message-ID: <010801c6b9d8$5960abe0$0a00a8c0@dell1500> For very low cost you can purchase BlackIce defender, or other good quality firewalls. _____ From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net [mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net] On Behalf Of CreweWeather Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 05:36 To: mark at markwyman.com; 'Discussion of weather data quality issues' Subject: Re: [wxqc] Davis with no PC? Yard Sales! I found a PI several years ago for $35 and it worked great until lightning took it south. Replaced it with another Yard Sale PC that I paid $45 and no monitor, keyboard or mouse needed except for the initial setup. Remote administration through VNC. I would suggest a router between your DSL modem and PC though. _____ From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net [mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net] On Behalf Of Mark Wyman Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 9:37 PM To: 'Discussion of weather data quality issues' Subject: [wxqc] Davis with no PC? Hi all, Getting tired of leaving my PC on day and night for this, especially with the threat of being hacked while it sits there. I was wondering if anyone has come up with a convenient way to get weather data from a Vantage Pro II to the internet without using a full PC to do the job. Can WeatherLink be run on a CE device? Are there any Palm-style devices that would be suited for this? My DSL modem has wireless, and if I could find an E-Bay Palm for this it would be great! Especially during T-storms when I have to yank the power on the PC. I could loose too much if I left everything running and we had a strike. 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N5IHE FAA Advanced Ground School Instructor > -----Original Message----- > From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net > [mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net] On Behalf Of > Hanford R Wright > Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 9:33 PM > To: Discussion of weather data quality issues > Subject: [wxqc] Bright Spot in the Sky > > > Hi Evan > I know that this is slightly off topic but could you please > tell me what type of cloud I caught in this picture??? > > Best Regards > > http://www.wunderground.com/wximage/viewsingleimage.html?mode= singleimage&handle=Bushwacker10&number=0&album_id=0&thumbstart=0&gallery=CUR RWEATHER#slideanchor _______________________________________________ wxqc mailing list Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: http://pond1.gladstonefamily.net:8080/mailman/listinfo/wxqc The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. From Evan.Bookbinder at noaa.gov Mon Aug 7 09:27:48 2006 From: Evan.Bookbinder at noaa.gov (Evan Bookbinder) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 08:27:48 -0500 Subject: [wxqc] Bright Spot in the Sky References: Message-ID: <00b001c6ba25$47c3d310$6601a8c0@HPLAPTOP> Hanford, NEAT!!!! In the foreground are obviously some towering cumulus or cumulonimbus associated with showers/storms. Given your location in Orlando, probably sea breeze induced. You'll notice that there are some cirrus (ice clouds) above them, which define the nature of the picture you're seeing. What are seeing is a phenomenon called a "sun dog" where the suns rays are being scattered through the ice clouds. http://www.cloudappreciationsociety.org/gallery/index.php?x=browse&category=27&pagenum=1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_dog Evan On 8/6/06, Hanford R Wright wrote: Hi Evan I know that this is slightly off topic but could you please tell me what type of cloud I caught in this picture??? 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URL: http://pond1.gladstonefamily.net:8080/pipermail/wxqc/attachments/20060807/0209c6a3/attachment.html From brillig at gmail.com Mon Aug 7 11:08:16 2006 From: brillig at gmail.com (Victor Engel) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:08:16 -0500 Subject: [wxqc] Bright Spot in the Sky In-Reply-To: <00b001c6ba25$47c3d310$6601a8c0@HPLAPTOP> References: <00b001c6ba25$47c3d310$6601a8c0@HPLAPTOP> Message-ID: I don't think it's a sundog (which is 22 degrees away from the sun and at the same elevation, usually). Look at the shadow detail around the cumulus/cumulonimbus clouds. If you follow the direction of the shadows, you can tell that the bright spot is actually the sun and not a sun dog. If it were a sun dog, the strongest shadows would be pointing elsewhere (orthogonal to the sun's rays). On 8/7/06, Evan Bookbinder wrote: > > Hanford, > > NEAT!!!! > > In the foreground are obviously some towering cumulus or cumulonimbus > associated with showers/storms. Given your location in Orlando, probably sea > breeze induced. > > You'll notice that there are some cirrus (ice clouds) above them, which > define the nature of the picture you're seeing. > > What are seeing is a phenomenon called a "sun dog" where the suns rays are > being scattered through the ice clouds. > > > http://www.cloudappreciationsociety.org/gallery/index.php?x=browse&category=27&pagenum=1 > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_dog > > Evan > > > > On 8/6/06, Hanford R Wright wrote: > > > > Hi Evan > > I know that this is slightly off topic but could you please tell me what > > type of cloud I caught in this picture??? > > > > Best Regards > > > > > > http://www.wunderground.com/wximage/viewsingleimage.html?mode=singleimage&ha > > > > ndle=Bushwacker10&number=0&album_id=0&thumbstart=0&gallery=CURRWEATHER#slide > > anchor > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > wxqc mailing list > > Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net > > To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: > > http://pond1.gladstonefamily.net:8080/mailman/listinfo/wxqc > > > > The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > > wxqc mailing list > Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net > To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: > http://pond1.gladstonefamily.net:8080/mailman/listinfo/wxqc > > The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. > > > _______________________________________________ > wxqc mailing list > Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net > To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: > http://pond1.gladstonefamily.net:8080/mailman/listinfo/wxqc > > The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://pond1.gladstonefamily.net:8080/pipermail/wxqc/attachments/20060807/a82340e9/attachment.html From Evan.Bookbinder at noaa.gov Mon Aug 7 11:46:15 2006 From: Evan.Bookbinder at noaa.gov (Evan Bookbinder) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 10:46:15 -0500 Subject: [wxqc] Bright Spot in the Sky References: <00b001c6ba25$47c3d310$6601a8c0@HPLAPTOP> Message-ID: <006301c6ba38$9e080b20$6801a8c0@stormalerthp> This is getting REALLLLLY off topic. Again, knowing where the sun itself is would be helpful. The quality/thickness of the cirrus would not suggest that the sun's structure would be that diffuse as photographed. The only other thing it could be is irridescence, and that would be by far the brightest example I've ever seen. It would sure be nice to have some other data. Time of day, direction faced, location of the sun itself. For now, I will still maintain the sun dog. As an FYI, I took Atmospheric Optics with the expert himself, Dr. Craig Bohren :) If you guys want a GREAT read, try "Clouds in a Glass of Beer" and "What Light Through Yonder Window Breaks" Evan ----- Original Message ----- From: Victor Engel To: Discussion of weather data quality issues Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [wxqc] Bright Spot in the Sky I don't think it's a sundog (which is 22 degrees away from the sun and at the same elevation, usually). Look at the shadow detail around the cumulus/cumulonimbus clouds. If you follow the direction of the shadows, you can tell that the bright spot is actually the sun and not a sun dog. If it were a sun dog, the strongest shadows would be pointing elsewhere (orthogonal to the sun's rays). On 8/7/06, Evan Bookbinder wrote: Hanford, NEAT!!!! In the foreground are obviously some towering cumulus or cumulonimbus associated with showers/storms. Given your location in Orlando, probably sea breeze induced. You'll notice that there are some cirrus (ice clouds) above them, which define the nature of the picture you're seeing. What are seeing is a phenomenon called a "sun dog" where the suns rays are being scattered through the ice clouds. http://www.cloudappreciationsociety.org/gallery/index.php?x=browse&category=27&pagenum=1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_dog Evan On 8/6/06, Hanford R Wright wrote: Hi Evan I know that this is slightly off topic but could you please tell me what type of cloud I caught in this picture??? Best Regards http://www.wunderground.com/wximage/viewsingleimage.html?mode=singleimage&ha ndle=Bushwacker10&number=0&album_id=0&thumbstart=0&gallery=CURRWEATHER#slide anchor _______________________________________________ wxqc mailing list Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: http://pond1.gladstonefamily.net:8080/mailman/listinfo/wxqc The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ wxqc mailing list Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: http://pond1.gladstonefamily.net:8080/mailman/listinfo/wxqc The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. _______________________________________________ wxqc mailing list Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: http://pond1.gladstonefamily.net:8080/mailman/listinfo/wxqc The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ wxqc mailing list Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: http://pond1.gladstonefamily.net:8080/mailman/listinfo/wxqc The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://pond1.gladstonefamily.net:8080/pipermail/wxqc/attachments/20060807/ea4c4392/attachment-0001.html From joh69 at earthlink.net Mon Aug 7 12:08:22 2006 From: joh69 at earthlink.net (Hanford R Wright) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 12:08:22 -0400 Subject: [wxqc] Bright Spot in the Sky In-Reply-To: AAAAAGWrVgYu4LVJhF5Y4GEdeZ9kEDsA Message-ID: Evan The picture was taken at 18:00:41 EDT yesterday I was facing due west Sunset was 20:15 EDT From what I could tell the sun was behind the thunderclouds which formed over top then moved west. The location was Wet N' Wild Orlando..... Looks like a trip to the library is in my future Regards Hanford -----Original Message----- From: wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net [mailto:wxqc-bounces at lists.gladstonefamily.net]On Behalf Of Evan Bookbinder Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 11:46 To: Discussion of weather data quality issues Subject: Re: [wxqc] Bright Spot in the Sky This is getting REALLLLLY off topic. Again, knowing where the sun itself is would be helpful. The quality/thickness of the cirrus would not suggest that the sun's structure would be that diffuse as photographed. The only other thing it could be is irridescence, and that would be by far the brightest example I've ever seen. It would sure be nice to have some other data. Time of day, direction faced, location of the sun itself. For now, I will still maintain the sun dog. As an FYI, I took Atmospheric Optics with the expert himself, Dr. Craig Bohren :) If you guys want a GREAT read, try "Clouds in a Glass of Beer" and "What Light Through Yonder Window Breaks" Evan ----- Original Message ----- From: Victor Engel To: Discussion of weather data quality issues Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [wxqc] Bright Spot in the Sky I don't think it's a sundog (which is 22 degrees away from the sun and at the same elevation, usually). Look at the shadow detail around the cumulus/cumulonimbus clouds. If you follow the direction of the shadows, you can tell that the bright spot is actually the sun and not a sun dog. If it were a sun dog, the strongest shadows would be pointing elsewhere (orthogonal to the sun's rays). On 8/7/06, Evan Bookbinder wrote: Hanford, NEAT!!!! In the foreground are obviously some towering cumulus or cumulonimbus associated with showers/storms. Given your location in Orlando, probably sea breeze induced. You'll notice that there are some cirrus (ice clouds) above them, which define the nature of the picture you're seeing. What are seeing is a phenomenon called a "sun dog" where the suns rays are being scattered through the ice clouds. http://www.cloudappreciationsociety.org/gallery/index.php?x=browse&cat egory=27&pagenum=1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_dog Evan On 8/6/06, Hanford R Wright wrote: Hi Evan I know that this is slightly off topic but could you please tell me what type of cloud I caught in this picture??? Best Regards http://www.wunderground.com/wximage/viewsingleimage.html?mode=single image&ha ndle=Bushwacker10&number=0&album_id=0&thumbstart=0&gallery=CURRWEATH ER#slide anchor _______________________________________________ wxqc mailing list Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: http://pond1.gladstonefamily.net:8080/mailman/listinfo/wxqc The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ wxqc mailing list Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: http://pond1.gladstonefamily.net:8080/mailman/listinfo/wxqc The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. _______________________________________________ wxqc mailing list Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: http://pond1.gladstonefamily.net:8080/mailman/listinfo/wxqc The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ wxqc mailing list Post messages to wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net To unsubcribe or change delivery options, please go to: http://pond1.gladstonefamily.net:8080/mailman/listinfo/wxqc The contents of this message are the responsibility of the author. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://pond1.gladstonefamily.net:8080/pipermail/wxqc/attachments/20060807/899d68e1/attachment.html From gordon at ward.org Mon Aug 7 12:25:49 2006 From: gordon at ward.org (Gordon Ward) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:25:49 -0500 Subject: [wxqc] Humidity/Dew Point Problems Message-ID: <004901c6ba3e$25662e30$6401a8c0@DELL> I installed a Davis Vantage Pro 2 weather station back in May and I am using VWS software and everything was working ok and I was passing all of the quality checks up until about 2 weeks ago when I started getting a red X on my dew point reading. The data on my Davis console is hooked up to my computer via the logger and I have notice that when my humidity is transferred from the Davis console to my computer, the Humidity Color Spectrum JPEG turns white and the reading is set to zero for about 5 seconds and then changes to the correct humidity setting that is shown on my Davis console and the white on the JPEG changes to the correct color. I have 4 other Color Spectrum displays on my computer and they do not change to a white color like the humidity does. The Davis console has never read zero so something is happening during the transfer of the data from the console to my computer. If the update to my internet web page happens at the same time as the humidity reading in zero, then I think it throws off my dew point/ humidity readings. My web page is: http://www.thewards.info/weather/ Look at the Humidity graph display near the bottom of the page and you will get an idea of what is going on. My information web page is: http://weather.gladstonefamily.net/site/C6029 My raw data is at: http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/raw.cgi?call=CW6029 My quality page is: http://weather.gladstonefamily.net/qchart/C6029?date=2006