From kevinandannmarie at cogeco.ca Sun Oct 2 14:00:34 2005
From: kevinandannmarie at cogeco.ca (Ann-Marie)
Date: Sun Oct 2 14:06:20 2005
Subject: [wxqc] calibration
Message-ID: <002d01c5c77b$301e8ae0$6500a8c0@KEENANF79D9D01>
Hi: I have been using an Oregon Scientific WMR-968 and VWS software for the past year. Would you suggest how I can calibrate my instruments properly? My data quality readings have become very poor lately.
Thank-you,
Ann-Marie Keenan
CW2265
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From rick1018 at uplogon.com Wed Oct 5 19:54:40 2005
From: rick1018 at uplogon.com (Rick Schwartz)
Date: Wed Oct 5 19:54:54 2005
Subject: [wxqc] Rain gauge data
Message-ID: <000c01c5ca08$2c824090$6601a8c0@PC332965051400>
I have a 4" rain gauge and my Davis Vantage Pro2 ISS located
near each other. The 4" gauge is property of NWS as I'm
an observer. My Davis never agrees with the other one. It
always registers less. I understand that's normal for a
"tipping bucket" instrument.
Is there a formula that can be applied to the Davis readings
to correct the difference? Is there anyway the data can be
made accurate to use?
Thanxx
Rick Schwartz
CW3768
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From sam at wa4phy.net Wed Oct 5 20:01:55 2005
From: sam at wa4phy.net (Sam Drinkard)
Date: Wed Oct 5 20:01:54 2005
Subject: [wxqc] Rain gauge data
In-Reply-To: <000c01c5ca08$2c824090$6601a8c0@PC332965051400>
References: <000c01c5ca08$2c824090$6601a8c0@PC332965051400>
Message-ID: <43446973.603@wa4phy.net>
Rick,
If the gauge is the same as the one that comes with the WM-II, there
is an adjustment on each side of the tipping bucket. It can or will add
up to or minus about 2% of the reading. I have an 8" SRG, and I
"calibrated" the Davis using the SRG as always. The Davis gauge now
reads very close to the SRG and my backup 4" gauge. It took the full
extent of the adjustment to get it reading close.
YMMV on the adjustment...
Rick Schwartz wrote:
> *I have a 4" rain gauge and my Davis Vantage Pro2 ISS located*
> *near each other. The 4" gauge is property of NWS as I'm*
> *an observer. My Davis never agrees with the other one. It*
> *always registers less. I understand that's normal for a*
> * "tipping bucket" instrument.*
> **
> *Is there a formula that can be applied to the Davis readings*
> *to correct the difference? Is there anyway the data can be*
> *made accurate to use?*
> **
> *Thanxx*
> *Rick Schwartz*
> *CW3768*
>
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From Evan.Bookbinder at noaa.gov Wed Oct 5 22:04:11 2005
From: Evan.Bookbinder at noaa.gov (Evan Bookbinder)
Date: Wed Oct 5 22:02:10 2005
Subject: [wxqc] Rain gauge data
Message-ID: <14acf8149ebe.149ebe14acf8@noaa.gov crmsg1.crh.noaa.gov>
Rick,
I would also strongly recommend a MANUAL calibration of the Davis
instrument. Do not adjust knobs for the sake of adjusting them. Using
the manual/standard guage, take a known quantity of water (say 1") and
then pour it slowly through the Davis (while it's offline from your
logging mechanisms). Make sure an inch is registered. Then I would
take another 1.00" of measured liquid from the other guage and dump it
more quickly through the gage (fast enough to similuate a
moderate/heavy rainfall but not an earth shattering deluge). Note any
differences. Calibrate the instrument as needed that way.
If the instrument is flawed, then you should ideally not receive an
inch of rainfall when pouring the water slowly through the Davis
opening.
Evan
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Is there a formula that can be applied to the Davis readings
to correct the difference? Is there anyway the data can be
made accurate to use?
Thanxx
Rick Schwartz
CW3768
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From philip at gladstonefamily.net Wed Oct 12 15:10:14 2005
From: philip at gladstonefamily.net (Philip Gladstone)
Date: Wed Oct 12 15:10:58 2005
Subject: [wxqc] Re: Temerpature data archive for station KSHN
In-Reply-To: <53FF8A623D17A5459B64558D380AD708048759@hermes.stillwatersci.com>
References: <53FF8A623D17A5459B64558D380AD708048759@hermes.stillwatersci.com>
Message-ID: <434D5F96.4070200@gladstonefamily.net>
Byron,
No -- I probably have data going back a year, but not more than that.
Curiously enough, this is an issue that comes up about once per month.
Does anybody on the list know if there are long term archives of this data?
Philip
Byron Amerson wrote:
> Hello Philip,
>
> I have been trying unsuccessfully to find archived hourly temperature
> data from station KSHN at the Shelton airport. I need data as far back
> as possible to 2000.
>
> Do you have any suggestions?
>
> Thank You,
>
> Byron Amerson
> Aquatic Ecologist
> Stillwatert Sciences
> 1314 43rd St
> Seattle, Wa 98105
> 206.632.7759
>
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From Weather at JaxWeather.net Wed Oct 12 15:55:04 2005
From: Weather at JaxWeather.net (Bob Johnson)
Date: Wed Oct 12 15:55:02 2005
Subject: [wxqc] Re: Temerpature data archive for station KSHN
In-Reply-To: <434D5F96.4070200@gladstonefamily.net>
References: <53FF8A623D17A5459B64558D380AD708048759@hermes.stillwatersci.com>
<434D5F96.4070200@gladstonefamily.net>
Message-ID:
How about this?
http://www.weatherunderground.com/history/airport/KSHN/2005/10/12/DailyHistory.html
-Bob
On 10/12/05, Philip Gladstone wrote:
> Byron,
>
> No -- I probably have data going back a year, but not more than that.
>
> Curiously enough, this is an issue that comes up about once per month.
> Does anybody on the list know if there are long term archives of this data?
>
> Philip
>
> Byron Amerson wrote:
> > Hello Philip,
> >
> > I have been trying unsuccessfully to find archived hourly temperature
> > data from station KSHN at the Shelton airport. I need data as far back
> > as possible to 2000.
> >
> > Do you have any suggestions?
> >
> > Thank You,
> >
> > Byron Amerson
> > Aquatic Ecologist
> > Stillwatert Sciences
> > 1314 43rd St
> > Seattle, Wa 98105
> > 206.632.7759
> >
>
>
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From Michael.F.Barth at noaa.gov Wed Oct 12 16:06:01 2005
From: Michael.F.Barth at noaa.gov (Mike Barth)
Date: Wed Oct 12 16:06:04 2005
Subject: [wxqc] Re: Temerpature data archive for station KSHN
In-Reply-To: <434D5F96.4070200@gladstonefamily.net>
References: <53FF8A623D17A5459B64558D380AD708048759@hermes.stillwatersci.com>
<434D5F96.4070200@gladstonefamily.net>
Message-ID:
The MADIS system (which is used for the QC discussed on this listserver) makes
data available (for most datasets) back to July 2001. For more info see:
http://madis.noaa.gov
Mike
On Wed, 12 Oct 2005, Philip Gladstone wrote:
> Byron,
>
> No -- I probably have data going back a year, but not more than that.
>
> Curiously enough, this is an issue that comes up about once per month. Does
> anybody on the list know if there are long term archives of this data?
>
> Philip
>
> Byron Amerson wrote:
>> Hello Philip,
>>
>> I have been trying unsuccessfully to find archived hourly temperature data
>> from station KSHN at the Shelton airport. I need data as far back as
>> possible to 2000.
>>
>> Do you have any suggestions?
>>
>> Thank You,
>>
>> Byron Amerson
>> Aquatic Ecologist
>> Stillwatert Sciences
>> 1314 43rd St
>> Seattle, Wa 98105
>> 206.632.7759
>>
>
From Byron at stillwatersci.com Wed Oct 12 16:36:12 2005
From: Byron at stillwatersci.com (Byron Amerson)
Date: Wed Oct 12 16:39:53 2005
Subject: [wxqc] Re: Temerpature data archive for station KSHN
Message-ID: <53FF8A623D17A5459B64558D380AD70804875C@hermes.stillwatersci.com>
Thanks,
I'll check it out.
Much appreciated.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Barth [mailto:Michael.F.Barth@noaa.gov]
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 1:06 PM
To: Discussion of weather data quality issues
Cc: Byron Amerson
Subject: Re: [wxqc] Re: Temerpature data archive for station KSHN
The MADIS system (which is used for the QC discussed on this listserver)
makes data available (for most datasets) back to July 2001. For more
info see:
http://madis.noaa.gov
Mike
On Wed, 12 Oct 2005, Philip Gladstone wrote:
> Byron,
>
> No -- I probably have data going back a year, but not more than that.
>
> Curiously enough, this is an issue that comes up about once per month.
> Does anybody on the list know if there are long term archives of this
data?
>
> Philip
>
> Byron Amerson wrote:
>> Hello Philip,
>>
>> I have been trying unsuccessfully to find archived hourly temperature
>> data from station KSHN at the Shelton airport. I need data as far
>> back as possible to 2000.
>>
>> Do you have any suggestions?
>>
>> Thank You,
>>
>> Byron Amerson
>> Aquatic Ecologist
>> Stillwatert Sciences
>> 1314 43rd St
>> Seattle, Wa 98105
>> 206.632.7759
>>
>
From wx at rapidsweather.com Thu Oct 13 10:57:11 2005
From: wx at rapidsweather.com (RapidsWeather.com)
Date: Thu Oct 13 09:57:19 2005
Subject: [wxqc] temperature calibration
Message-ID: <007801c5d006$642bcb20$6d01a8c0@JimXPMobile>
Original VantagePro station started having problems (would only register
between 9:00 AM and 6:00PM). Davis tech support was surprised it worked as
long as it did and sent a replacement ISS which has replaced in the last
thirty days (included a new temp sensor).
http://weather.gladstonefamily.net/cgi-bin/wxsite.pl?site=cw0499
&Get+information=Get+information
Has shown temperature deviations from what was expected. Tried calibrating
down 2 degrees and up two degrees over the past week and either I am
confused what the data is showing or it didn't seem to have the desired
effect.
Looking for some insight into what I should do to properly remedy the
problem.
Thanks,
- Jim
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From philip at gladstonefamily.net Thu Oct 13 21:11:21 2005
From: philip at gladstonefamily.net (Philip Gladstone)
Date: Thu Oct 13 21:11:20 2005
Subject: [wxqc] temperature calibration
In-Reply-To: <007801c5d006$642bcb20$6d01a8c0@JimXPMobile>
References: <007801c5d006$642bcb20$6d01a8c0@JimXPMobile>
Message-ID: <434F05B9.7080900@gladstonefamily.net>
Jim
The current numbers look good. The averages are still off as the
analysis covers a number of days. Let it run for a week and see what
happens.
Philip
RapidsWeather.com wrote:
> Original VantagePro station started having problems (would only register
> between 9:00 AM and 6:00PM). Davis tech support was surprised it worked
> as long as it did and sent a replacement ISS which has replaced in the
> last thirty days (included a new temp sensor).
>
> http://weather.gladstonefamily.net/cgi-bin/wxsite.pl?site=cw0499&Get+information=Get+information
>
>
> Has shown temperature deviations from what was expected. Tried
> calibrating down 2 degrees and up two degrees over the past week and
> either I am confused what the data is showing or it didn't seem to have
> the desired effect.
>
> Looking for some insight into what I should do to properly remedy the
> problem.
>
> Thanks,
>
> - Jim
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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From dennis.carr at supportnow.org Fri Oct 21 15:42:39 2005
From: dennis.carr at supportnow.org (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Dennis=20L.=20Carr?=)
Date: Fri Oct 21 15:42:39 2005
Subject: [wxqc] QC Errors for C4227
Message-ID: <20051021194239.18066.qmail@server267.com>
I have a WS2310 Weather Station. It's hard wired using CAT 5 cable and also has wireless sensors. I run the latest version of Heavy Weather and WUHU for data collection and submission. The wind sensors are mounted on a pole 10 feet above my roof. The rain gauge is mounted 2 feet off the ground on a pole about 30 feet in fron of my home and the thermo-hygro sensor is mounted near the rain gauge on a 3 foot pole above the ground. This sensor has a cover on it which I assumed to be a radiation shield. Although I think it's just a weather shield???
I'm getting temperature and dew point errors and the QC page suggests I need a radiation shield for the thermo-hygro sensor. I have another digital thermometer next to it and it reads with in a few tenths of the WS2310 thermo-hygro sensor and I check the rain and compare with a manual gauge and I compares favorably. The barometer and wind seem to be within tolerance.
Do I really need a radiation shield? Will this correct the errors?
WS2310 Specs - http://www.heavyweather.info/new_english_us/index.html
Dennis L. Carr
C4227
http://bellyacres.supportnow.org/weather/currentweather.htm
From Weather at JaxWeather.net Fri Oct 21 15:50:53 2005
From: Weather at JaxWeather.net (Bob Johnson)
Date: Fri Oct 21 15:51:00 2005
Subject: [wxqc] QC Errors for C4227
In-Reply-To: <20051021194239.18066.qmail@server267.com>
References: <20051021194239.18066.qmail@server267.com>
Message-ID:
Dennis,
I have a WS-2310 and the shield that comes with it is a poor excuse
for a shield, and does not protect against direct sun influence. I
repositioned mine a number of times but ended up building a small
shield and placing the sensor in a large thicket of very tall bushes
to stop the direct sun temperature spikes...
This page discusses a number of Radiation shield suggestions and if
your sensor has to be exposed to direct sun i would highly recommend
one of them...
http://www.wxqa.com/shields.html
I also have heard of folks buying the Davis Radiation shield and
removing the plastic enclosure completely from the 2310 sensor and
placing the circuit board in that sheild...
http://www.weather-watch.com/smf/index.php/topic,8199.msg59490.html#msg59490
-Bob
On 10/21/05, Dennis L. Carr wrote:
> I have a WS2310 Weather Station. It's hard wired using CAT 5 cable and also has wireless sensors. I run the latest version of Heavy Weather and WUHU for data collection and submission. The wind sensors are mounted on a pole 10 feet above my roof. The rain gauge is mounted 2 feet off the ground on a pole about 30 feet in fron of my home and the thermo-hygro sensor is mounted near the rain gauge on a 3 foot pole above the ground. This sensor has a cover on it which I assumed to be a radiation shield. Although I think it's just a weather shield???
>
> I'm getting temperature and dew point errors and the QC page suggests I need a radiation shield for the thermo-hygro sensor. I have another digital thermometer next to it and it reads with in a few tenths of the WS2310 thermo-hygro sensor and I check the rain and compare with a manual gauge and I compares favorably. The barometer and wind seem to be within tolerance.
>
> Do I really need a radiation shield? Will this correct the errors?
> WS2310 Specs - http://www.heavyweather.info/new_english_us/index.html
>
> Dennis L. Carr
> C4227
> http://bellyacres.supportnow.org/weather/currentweather.htm
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From dshelms at comcast.net Fri Oct 21 16:53:13 2005
From: dshelms at comcast.net (dshelms@comcast.net)
Date: Fri Oct 21 16:55:29 2005
Subject: [wxqc] QC Errors for C4227
Message-ID: <102120052053.28104.435955370007308E00006DC822028887449C03040A089C0B@comcast.net>
Hi Dennis,
I agree 100% with Bob. The ideal shield allows "ambient" (mixed atmosphere) air to blow across the temperature probe while denying the sun's rays from striking (directly or even indirectly) the probe.
The WS-2310 "Shield" allows almost NO ventilation, as shown here:
http://www.lacrossetechnology.com/products/pwc/sensors/2310_thermo.html
... while the WS-2310 shield stops direct sunlight, it is a very poor shield for allowing ambient or mixed air to be sampled since the air is trapped inside their stock "cone" shield. On sunny days, this raises your maximum temperature 5-10 F degrees above the actual maximum temperature you should be measuring.
The best way to ensure the temperature and humidity probes are well ventitated is to have a Gill type "bee-hive" shield. The Gill shield is a series of nearly flat disks stacked vertically (painted white (aluminum) or made of white material (plastic) to reflect sunlight) which a 1.5 inch seperation between each disk, with the bottom to middle disks hollowed out in the center to accept the temperature and humidity sensors.
Passively aspirated (no fan) Gill shields work well, but the Cadilac of radiation shields is an actively aspirated shield which pulls amibient air across the temperature and RH probes using a fan (often solar powered as active aspiration is most helpful during the day).
Hope this helps,
Dave
CW0351
> Dennis,
>
> I have a WS-2310 and the shield that comes with it is a poor excuse
> for a shield, and does not protect against direct sun influence. I
> repositioned mine a number of times but ended up building a small
> shield and placing the sensor in a large thicket of very tall bushes
> to stop the direct sun temperature spikes...
>
> This page discusses a number of Radiation shield suggestions and if
> your sensor has to be exposed to direct sun i would highly recommend
> one of them...
> http://www.wxqa.com/shields.html
>
> I also have heard of folks buying the Davis Radiation shield and
> removing the plastic enclosure completely from the 2310 sensor and
> placing the circuit board in that sheild...
> http://www.weather-watch.com/smf/index.php/topic,8199.msg59490.html#msg59490
>
> -Bob
>
> On 10/21/05, Dennis L. Carr wrote:
> > I have a WS2310 Weather Station. It's hard wired using CAT 5 cable and also
> has wireless sensors. I run the latest version of Heavy Weather and WUHU for
> data collection and submission. The wind sensors are mounted on a pole 10 feet
> above my roof. The rain gauge is mounted 2 feet off the ground on a pole about
> 30 feet in fron of my home and the thermo-hygro sensor is mounted near the rain
> gauge on a 3 foot pole above the ground. This sensor has a cover on it which I
> assumed to be a radiation shield. Although I think it's just a weather shield???
> >
> > I'm getting temperature and dew point errors and the QC page suggests I need a
> radiation shield for the thermo-hygro sensor. I have another digital thermometer
> next to it and it reads with in a few tenths of the WS2310 thermo-hygro sensor
> and I check the rain and compare with a manual gauge and I compares favorably.
> The barometer and wind seem to be within tolerance.
> >
> > Do I really need a radiation shield? Will this correct the errors?
> > WS2310 Specs - http://www.heavyweather.info/new_english_us/index.html
> >
> > Dennis L. Carr
> > C4227
> > http://bellyacres.supportnow.org/weather/currentweather.htm
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> >
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> >
>
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From tbarstow at earthlink.net Mon Oct 24 17:01:38 2005
From: tbarstow at earthlink.net (Thomas Barstow)
Date: Mon Oct 24 17:01:40 2005
Subject: [wxqc] Fw: Top 5 Smart Ass Answers for 2005
Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.0.20051024170034.01ee6d88@pop.earthlink.net>
I figured everyone could have a brighter day with these answers.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>TOP 5 SMART ASS ANSWERS FOR 2005...according to Reader's Digest:
>
>Smart Ass Answer #5:
>
>A flight attendant was stationed at the departure gate to check
>tickets. As a man approached, she extended her hand for the ticket.
>I instead he opened his trench coat and flashed her. Without missing
>a beat...she said, "Sir, I need to see your ticket not your stub."
>
>
>
>Smart Ass Answer #4:
>
>A lady was shopping for a turkey at the grocery store, but she
>couldn't find one big enough for her family. She asked a stock boy,
>"Do these turkeys get any bigger?" The stock boy replied," No ma'am
>they're dead
>
>
>
>Smart Ass Answer #3:
>
>The cop got out of his car and the kid who was stopped for speeding
>rolled down his window. "I've been waiting for you all day," the cop
>said. The kid replied, "Yeah, well I got here as fast as I could."
>When the cop finally stopped laughing, he sent the kid on his way
>without a ticket.
>
>
>
>Smart Ass Answer #2:
>
>A truck driver was driving along on the freeway. A sign comes up
>that reads, "Low Bridge Ahead." Before he knows it, the bridge is
>right Ahead of him and he gets stuck under the bridge. Cars are
>backed up for miles. Finally, a police car comes up. The cop gets
>out of his car and walks up to the truck driver, puts his hands on
>his hips and says, "Got stuck, huh?" The truck driver says, "No, I
>was delivering this bridge and ran out of gas."
>
>
>
>AND NOW...FOR THE BEST ONE...#1 SMART ASS
>
>
>
>ANSWER OF THE YEAR 2005.
>
>A college teacher reminds her class of tomorrow's final exam.
>
>
>
>"Now class, I won't tolerate any excuses for you not being here
>tomorrow. I might consider a nuclear attack or a serious personal
>injury or illness, or a death in your immediate family, but that's
>it, no other excuses whatsoever!"
>
>
>
>A smart-ass guy in the back of the room raised his hand and asked,
>"What would you say if tomorrow I said I was suffering from complete
>and utter sexual exhaustion?" The entire class is reduced to
>laughter and snickering. When silence is finally restored, the
>teacher smiles knowingly at the student, shakes her head and sweetly
>says, "Well, I guess you'd have to write the exam with your other hand!"
>
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>
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From: dshelms at comcast.net (dshelms@comcast.net)
Date: Mon Oct 24 17:45:03 2005
Subject: [wxqc] Fw: Top 5 Smart Ass Answers for 2005
Message-ID: <102420052145.6330.435D55DD00086F48000018BA22070029539C03040A089C0B@comcast.net>
Hi Tom... this is an appropriate place to post "smart ass" response lists.
Dave
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From kevinandannmarie at cogeco.ca Sun Oct 2 14:00:34 2005
From: kevinandannmarie at cogeco.ca (Ann-Marie)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 14:00:34 -0400
Subject: [wxqc] calibration
Message-ID: <002d01c5c77b$301e8ae0$6500a8c0@KEENANF79D9D01>
Hi: I have been using an Oregon Scientific WMR-968 and VWS software for the past year. Would you suggest how I can calibrate my instruments properly? My data quality readings have become very poor lately.
Thank-you,
Ann-Marie Keenan
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From rick1018 at uplogon.com Wed Oct 5 19:54:40 2005
From: rick1018 at uplogon.com (Rick Schwartz)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 19:54:40 -0400
Subject: [wxqc] Rain gauge data
Message-ID: <000c01c5ca08$2c824090$6601a8c0@PC332965051400>
I have a 4" rain gauge and my Davis Vantage Pro2 ISS located
near each other. The 4" gauge is property of NWS as I'm
an observer. My Davis never agrees with the other one. It
always registers less. I understand that's normal for a
"tipping bucket" instrument.
Is there a formula that can be applied to the Davis readings
to correct the difference? Is there anyway the data can be
made accurate to use?
Thanxx
Rick Schwartz
CW3768
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From sam at wa4phy.net Wed Oct 5 20:01:55 2005
From: sam at wa4phy.net (Sam Drinkard)
Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 20:01:55 -0400
Subject: [wxqc] Rain gauge data
In-Reply-To: <000c01c5ca08$2c824090$6601a8c0@PC332965051400>
References: <000c01c5ca08$2c824090$6601a8c0@PC332965051400>
Message-ID: <43446973.603@wa4phy.net>
Rick,
If the gauge is the same as the one that comes with the WM-II, there
is an adjustment on each side of the tipping bucket. It can or will add
up to or minus about 2% of the reading. I have an 8" SRG, and I
"calibrated" the Davis using the SRG as always. The Davis gauge now
reads very close to the SRG and my backup 4" gauge. It took the full
extent of the adjustment to get it reading close.
YMMV on the adjustment...
Rick Schwartz wrote:
> *I have a 4" rain gauge and my Davis Vantage Pro2 ISS located*
> *near each other. The 4" gauge is property of NWS as I'm*
> *an observer. My Davis never agrees with the other one. It*
> *always registers less. I understand that's normal for a*
> * "tipping bucket" instrument.*
> **
> *Is there a formula that can be applied to the Davis readings*
> *to correct the difference? Is there anyway the data can be*
> *made accurate to use?*
> **
> *Thanxx*
> *Rick Schwartz*
> *CW3768*
>
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From Evan.Bookbinder at noaa.gov Wed Oct 5 22:04:11 2005
From: Evan.Bookbinder at noaa.gov (Evan Bookbinder)
Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 21:04:11 -0500
Subject: [wxqc] Rain gauge data
Message-ID: <14acf8149ebe.149ebe14acf8@noaa.gov crmsg1.crh.noaa.gov>
Rick,
I would also strongly recommend a MANUAL calibration of the Davis
instrument. Do not adjust knobs for the sake of adjusting them. Using
the manual/standard guage, take a known quantity of water (say 1") and
then pour it slowly through the Davis (while it's offline from your
logging mechanisms). Make sure an inch is registered. Then I would
take another 1.00" of measured liquid from the other guage and dump it
more quickly through the gage (fast enough to similuate a
moderate/heavy rainfall but not an earth shattering deluge). Note any
differences. Calibrate the instrument as needed that way.
If the instrument is flawed, then you should ideally not receive an
inch of rainfall when pouring the water slowly through the Davis
opening.
Evan
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Is there a formula that can be applied to the Davis readings
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Thanxx
Rick Schwartz
CW3768
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From philip at gladstonefamily.net Wed Oct 12 15:10:14 2005
From: philip at gladstonefamily.net (Philip Gladstone)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 15:10:14 -0400
Subject: [wxqc] Re: Temerpature data archive for station KSHN
In-Reply-To: <53FF8A623D17A5459B64558D380AD708048759@hermes.stillwatersci.com>
References: <53FF8A623D17A5459B64558D380AD708048759@hermes.stillwatersci.com>
Message-ID: <434D5F96.4070200@gladstonefamily.net>
Byron,
No -- I probably have data going back a year, but not more than that.
Curiously enough, this is an issue that comes up about once per month.
Does anybody on the list know if there are long term archives of this data?
Philip
Byron Amerson wrote:
> Hello Philip,
>
> I have been trying unsuccessfully to find archived hourly temperature
> data from station KSHN at the Shelton airport. I need data as far back
> as possible to 2000.
>
> Do you have any suggestions?
>
> Thank You,
>
> Byron Amerson
> Aquatic Ecologist
> Stillwatert Sciences
> 1314 43rd St
> Seattle, Wa 98105
> 206.632.7759
>
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From Weather at JaxWeather.net Wed Oct 12 15:55:04 2005
From: Weather at JaxWeather.net (Bob Johnson)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 15:55:04 -0400
Subject: [wxqc] Re: Temerpature data archive for station KSHN
In-Reply-To: <434D5F96.4070200@gladstonefamily.net>
References: <53FF8A623D17A5459B64558D380AD708048759@hermes.stillwatersci.com>
<434D5F96.4070200@gladstonefamily.net>
Message-ID:
How about this?
http://www.weatherunderground.com/history/airport/KSHN/2005/10/12/DailyHistory.html
-Bob
On 10/12/05, Philip Gladstone wrote:
> Byron,
>
> No -- I probably have data going back a year, but not more than that.
>
> Curiously enough, this is an issue that comes up about once per month.
> Does anybody on the list know if there are long term archives of this data?
>
> Philip
>
> Byron Amerson wrote:
> > Hello Philip,
> >
> > I have been trying unsuccessfully to find archived hourly temperature
> > data from station KSHN at the Shelton airport. I need data as far back
> > as possible to 2000.
> >
> > Do you have any suggestions?
> >
> > Thank You,
> >
> > Byron Amerson
> > Aquatic Ecologist
> > Stillwatert Sciences
> > 1314 43rd St
> > Seattle, Wa 98105
> > 206.632.7759
> >
>
>
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From Michael.F.Barth at noaa.gov Wed Oct 12 16:06:01 2005
From: Michael.F.Barth at noaa.gov (Mike Barth)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 20:06:01 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [wxqc] Re: Temerpature data archive for station KSHN
In-Reply-To: <434D5F96.4070200@gladstonefamily.net>
References: <53FF8A623D17A5459B64558D380AD708048759@hermes.stillwatersci.com>
<434D5F96.4070200@gladstonefamily.net>
Message-ID:
The MADIS system (which is used for the QC discussed on this listserver) makes
data available (for most datasets) back to July 2001. For more info see:
http://madis.noaa.gov
Mike
On Wed, 12 Oct 2005, Philip Gladstone wrote:
> Byron,
>
> No -- I probably have data going back a year, but not more than that.
>
> Curiously enough, this is an issue that comes up about once per month. Does
> anybody on the list know if there are long term archives of this data?
>
> Philip
>
> Byron Amerson wrote:
>> Hello Philip,
>>
>> I have been trying unsuccessfully to find archived hourly temperature data
>> from station KSHN at the Shelton airport. I need data as far back as
>> possible to 2000.
>>
>> Do you have any suggestions?
>>
>> Thank You,
>>
>> Byron Amerson
>> Aquatic Ecologist
>> Stillwatert Sciences
>> 1314 43rd St
>> Seattle, Wa 98105
>> 206.632.7759
>>
>
From Byron at stillwatersci.com Wed Oct 12 16:36:12 2005
From: Byron at stillwatersci.com (Byron Amerson)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:36:12 -0700
Subject: [wxqc] Re: Temerpature data archive for station KSHN
Message-ID: <53FF8A623D17A5459B64558D380AD70804875C@hermes.stillwatersci.com>
Thanks,
I'll check it out.
Much appreciated.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Barth [mailto:Michael.F.Barth at noaa.gov]
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 1:06 PM
To: Discussion of weather data quality issues
Cc: Byron Amerson
Subject: Re: [wxqc] Re: Temerpature data archive for station KSHN
The MADIS system (which is used for the QC discussed on this listserver)
makes data available (for most datasets) back to July 2001. For more
info see:
http://madis.noaa.gov
Mike
On Wed, 12 Oct 2005, Philip Gladstone wrote:
> Byron,
>
> No -- I probably have data going back a year, but not more than that.
>
> Curiously enough, this is an issue that comes up about once per month.
> Does anybody on the list know if there are long term archives of this
data?
>
> Philip
>
> Byron Amerson wrote:
>> Hello Philip,
>>
>> I have been trying unsuccessfully to find archived hourly temperature
>> data from station KSHN at the Shelton airport. I need data as far
>> back as possible to 2000.
>>
>> Do you have any suggestions?
>>
>> Thank You,
>>
>> Byron Amerson
>> Aquatic Ecologist
>> Stillwatert Sciences
>> 1314 43rd St
>> Seattle, Wa 98105
>> 206.632.7759
>>
>
From wx at rapidsweather.com Thu Oct 13 10:57:11 2005
From: wx at rapidsweather.com (RapidsWeather.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:57:11 -0600
Subject: [wxqc] temperature calibration
Message-ID: <007801c5d006$642bcb20$6d01a8c0@JimXPMobile>
Original VantagePro station started having problems (would only register
between 9:00 AM and 6:00PM). Davis tech support was surprised it worked as
long as it did and sent a replacement ISS which has replaced in the last
thirty days (included a new temp sensor).
http://weather.gladstonefamily.net/cgi-bin/wxsite.pl?site=cw0499
&Get+information=Get+information
Has shown temperature deviations from what was expected. Tried calibrating
down 2 degrees and up two degrees over the past week and either I am
confused what the data is showing or it didn't seem to have the desired
effect.
Looking for some insight into what I should do to properly remedy the
problem.
Thanks,
- Jim
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From philip at gladstonefamily.net Thu Oct 13 21:11:21 2005
From: philip at gladstonefamily.net (Philip Gladstone)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 21:11:21 -0400
Subject: [wxqc] temperature calibration
In-Reply-To: <007801c5d006$642bcb20$6d01a8c0@JimXPMobile>
References: <007801c5d006$642bcb20$6d01a8c0@JimXPMobile>
Message-ID: <434F05B9.7080900@gladstonefamily.net>
Jim
The current numbers look good. The averages are still off as the
analysis covers a number of days. Let it run for a week and see what
happens.
Philip
RapidsWeather.com wrote:
> Original VantagePro station started having problems (would only register
> between 9:00 AM and 6:00PM). Davis tech support was surprised it worked
> as long as it did and sent a replacement ISS which has replaced in the
> last thirty days (included a new temp sensor).
>
> http://weather.gladstonefamily.net/cgi-bin/wxsite.pl?site=cw0499&Get+information=Get+information
>
>
> Has shown temperature deviations from what was expected. Tried
> calibrating down 2 degrees and up two degrees over the past week and
> either I am confused what the data is showing or it didn't seem to have
> the desired effect.
>
> Looking for some insight into what I should do to properly remedy the
> problem.
>
> Thanks,
>
> - Jim
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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From dennis.carr at supportnow.org Fri Oct 21 15:42:39 2005
From: dennis.carr at supportnow.org (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Dennis=20L.=20Carr?=)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 13:42:39 -0600
Subject: [wxqc] QC Errors for C4227
Message-ID: <20051021194239.18066.qmail@server267.com>
I have a WS2310 Weather Station. It's hard wired using CAT 5 cable and also has wireless sensors. I run the latest version of Heavy Weather and WUHU for data collection and submission. The wind sensors are mounted on a pole 10 feet above my roof. The rain gauge is mounted 2 feet off the ground on a pole about 30 feet in fron of my home and the thermo-hygro sensor is mounted near the rain gauge on a 3 foot pole above the ground. This sensor has a cover on it which I assumed to be a radiation shield. Although I think it's just a weather shield???
I'm getting temperature and dew point errors and the QC page suggests I need a radiation shield for the thermo-hygro sensor. I have another digital thermometer next to it and it reads with in a few tenths of the WS2310 thermo-hygro sensor and I check the rain and compare with a manual gauge and I compares favorably. The barometer and wind seem to be within tolerance.
Do I really need a radiation shield? Will this correct the errors?
WS2310 Specs - http://www.heavyweather.info/new_english_us/index.html
Dennis L. Carr
C4227
http://bellyacres.supportnow.org/weather/currentweather.htm
From Weather at JaxWeather.net Fri Oct 21 15:50:53 2005
From: Weather at JaxWeather.net (Bob Johnson)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 15:50:53 -0400
Subject: [wxqc] QC Errors for C4227
In-Reply-To: <20051021194239.18066.qmail@server267.com>
References: <20051021194239.18066.qmail@server267.com>
Message-ID:
Dennis,
I have a WS-2310 and the shield that comes with it is a poor excuse
for a shield, and does not protect against direct sun influence. I
repositioned mine a number of times but ended up building a small
shield and placing the sensor in a large thicket of very tall bushes
to stop the direct sun temperature spikes...
This page discusses a number of Radiation shield suggestions and if
your sensor has to be exposed to direct sun i would highly recommend
one of them...
http://www.wxqa.com/shields.html
I also have heard of folks buying the Davis Radiation shield and
removing the plastic enclosure completely from the 2310 sensor and
placing the circuit board in that sheild...
http://www.weather-watch.com/smf/index.php/topic,8199.msg59490.html#msg59490
-Bob
On 10/21/05, Dennis L. Carr wrote:
> I have a WS2310 Weather Station. It's hard wired using CAT 5 cable and also has wireless sensors. I run the latest version of Heavy Weather and WUHU for data collection and submission. The wind sensors are mounted on a pole 10 feet above my roof. The rain gauge is mounted 2 feet off the ground on a pole about 30 feet in fron of my home and the thermo-hygro sensor is mounted near the rain gauge on a 3 foot pole above the ground. This sensor has a cover on it which I assumed to be a radiation shield. Although I think it's just a weather shield???
>
> I'm getting temperature and dew point errors and the QC page suggests I need a radiation shield for the thermo-hygro sensor. I have another digital thermometer next to it and it reads with in a few tenths of the WS2310 thermo-hygro sensor and I check the rain and compare with a manual gauge and I compares favorably. The barometer and wind seem to be within tolerance.
>
> Do I really need a radiation shield? Will this correct the errors?
> WS2310 Specs - http://www.heavyweather.info/new_english_us/index.html
>
> Dennis L. Carr
> C4227
> http://bellyacres.supportnow.org/weather/currentweather.htm
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From dshelms at comcast.net Fri Oct 21 16:53:13 2005
From: dshelms at comcast.net (dshelms at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 20:53:13 +0000
Subject: [wxqc] QC Errors for C4227
Message-ID: <102120052053.28104.435955370007308E00006DC822028887449C03040A089C0B@comcast.net>
Hi Dennis,
I agree 100% with Bob. The ideal shield allows "ambient" (mixed atmosphere) air to blow across the temperature probe while denying the sun's rays from striking (directly or even indirectly) the probe.
The WS-2310 "Shield" allows almost NO ventilation, as shown here:
http://www.lacrossetechnology.com/products/pwc/sensors/2310_thermo.html
... while the WS-2310 shield stops direct sunlight, it is a very poor shield for allowing ambient or mixed air to be sampled since the air is trapped inside their stock "cone" shield. On sunny days, this raises your maximum temperature 5-10 F degrees above the actual maximum temperature you should be measuring.
The best way to ensure the temperature and humidity probes are well ventitated is to have a Gill type "bee-hive" shield. The Gill shield is a series of nearly flat disks stacked vertically (painted white (aluminum) or made of white material (plastic) to reflect sunlight) which a 1.5 inch seperation between each disk, with the bottom to middle disks hollowed out in the center to accept the temperature and humidity sensors.
Passively aspirated (no fan) Gill shields work well, but the Cadilac of radiation shields is an actively aspirated shield which pulls amibient air across the temperature and RH probes using a fan (often solar powered as active aspiration is most helpful during the day).
Hope this helps,
Dave
CW0351
> Dennis,
>
> I have a WS-2310 and the shield that comes with it is a poor excuse
> for a shield, and does not protect against direct sun influence. I
> repositioned mine a number of times but ended up building a small
> shield and placing the sensor in a large thicket of very tall bushes
> to stop the direct sun temperature spikes...
>
> This page discusses a number of Radiation shield suggestions and if
> your sensor has to be exposed to direct sun i would highly recommend
> one of them...
> http://www.wxqa.com/shields.html
>
> I also have heard of folks buying the Davis Radiation shield and
> removing the plastic enclosure completely from the 2310 sensor and
> placing the circuit board in that sheild...
> http://www.weather-watch.com/smf/index.php/topic,8199.msg59490.html#msg59490
>
> -Bob
>
> On 10/21/05, Dennis L. Carr wrote:
> > I have a WS2310 Weather Station. It's hard wired using CAT 5 cable and also
> has wireless sensors. I run the latest version of Heavy Weather and WUHU for
> data collection and submission. The wind sensors are mounted on a pole 10 feet
> above my roof. The rain gauge is mounted 2 feet off the ground on a pole about
> 30 feet in fron of my home and the thermo-hygro sensor is mounted near the rain
> gauge on a 3 foot pole above the ground. This sensor has a cover on it which I
> assumed to be a radiation shield. Although I think it's just a weather shield???
> >
> > I'm getting temperature and dew point errors and the QC page suggests I need a
> radiation shield for the thermo-hygro sensor. I have another digital thermometer
> next to it and it reads with in a few tenths of the WS2310 thermo-hygro sensor
> and I check the rain and compare with a manual gauge and I compares favorably.
> The barometer and wind seem to be within tolerance.
> >
> > Do I really need a radiation shield? Will this correct the errors?
> > WS2310 Specs - http://www.heavyweather.info/new_english_us/index.html
> >
> > Dennis L. Carr
> > C4227
> > http://bellyacres.supportnow.org/weather/currentweather.htm
> > _______________________________________________
> > wxqc mailing list
> > wxqc at lists.gladstonefamily.net
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> >
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> >
>
>
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From tbarstow at earthlink.net Mon Oct 24 17:01:38 2005
From: tbarstow at earthlink.net (Thomas Barstow)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 17:01:38 -0400
Subject: [wxqc] Fw: Top 5 Smart Ass Answers for 2005
Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.0.20051024170034.01ee6d88@pop.earthlink.net>
I figured everyone could have a brighter day with these answers.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>TOP 5 SMART ASS ANSWERS FOR 2005...according to Reader's Digest:
>
>Smart Ass Answer #5:
>
>A flight attendant was stationed at the departure gate to check
>tickets. As a man approached, she extended her hand for the ticket.
>I instead he opened his trench coat and flashed her. Without missing
>a beat...she said, "Sir, I need to see your ticket not your stub."
>
>
>
>Smart Ass Answer #4:
>
>A lady was shopping for a turkey at the grocery store, but she
>couldn't find one big enough for her family. She asked a stock boy,
>"Do these turkeys get any bigger?" The stock boy replied," No ma'am
>they're dead
>
>
>
>Smart Ass Answer #3:
>
>The cop got out of his car and the kid who was stopped for speeding
>rolled down his window. "I've been waiting for you all day," the cop
>said. The kid replied, "Yeah, well I got here as fast as I could."
>When the cop finally stopped laughing, he sent the kid on his way
>without a ticket.
>
>
>
>Smart Ass Answer #2:
>
>A truck driver was driving along on the freeway. A sign comes up
>that reads, "Low Bridge Ahead." Before he knows it, the bridge is
>right Ahead of him and he gets stuck under the bridge. Cars are
>backed up for miles. Finally, a police car comes up. The cop gets
>out of his car and walks up to the truck driver, puts his hands on
>his hips and says, "Got stuck, huh?" The truck driver says, "No, I
>was delivering this bridge and ran out of gas."
>
>
>
>AND NOW...FOR THE BEST ONE...#1 SMART ASS
>
>
>
>ANSWER OF THE YEAR 2005.
>
>A college teacher reminds her class of tomorrow's final exam.
>
>
>
>"Now class, I won't tolerate any excuses for you not being here
>tomorrow. I might consider a nuclear attack or a serious personal
>injury or illness, or a death in your immediate family, but that's
>it, no other excuses whatsoever!"
>
>
>
>A smart-ass guy in the back of the room raised his hand and asked,
>"What would you say if tomorrow I said I was suffering from complete
>and utter sexual exhaustion?" The entire class is reduced to
>laughter and snickering. When silence is finally restored, the
>teacher smiles knowingly at the student, shakes her head and sweetly
>says, "Well, I guess you'd have to write the exam with your other hand!"
>
>
>
Tom Barstow
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Moyock Weather Service
www.moyockweather.com
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From: dshelms at comcast.net (dshelms at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 21:45:01 +0000
Subject: [wxqc] Fw: Top 5 Smart Ass Answers for 2005
Message-ID: <102420052145.6330.435D55DD00086F48000018BA22070029539C03040A089C0B@comcast.net>
Hi Tom... this is an appropriate place to post "smart ass" response lists.
Dave
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From kevinandannmarie at cogeco.ca Sun Oct 2 14:00:34 2005
From: kevinandannmarie at cogeco.ca (Ann-Marie)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 14:00:34 -0400
Subject: [wxqc] calibration
Message-ID: <002d01c5c77b$301e8ae0$6500a8c0@KEENANF79D9D01>
Hi: I have been using an Oregon Scientific WMR-968 and VWS software for the past year. Would you suggest how I can calibrate my instruments properly? My data quality readings have become very poor lately.
Thank-you,
Ann-Marie Keenan
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From rick1018 at uplogon.com Wed Oct 5 19:54:40 2005
From: rick1018 at uplogon.com (Rick Schwartz)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 19:54:40 -0400
Subject: [wxqc] Rain gauge data
Message-ID: <000c01c5ca08$2c824090$6601a8c0@PC332965051400>
I have a 4" rain gauge and my Davis Vantage Pro2 ISS located
near each other. The 4" gauge is property of NWS as I'm
an observer. My Davis never agrees with the other one. It
always registers less. I understand that's normal for a
"tipping bucket" instrument.
Is there a formula that can be applied to the Davis readings
to correct the difference? Is there anyway the data can be
made accurate to use?
Thanxx
Rick Schwartz
CW3768
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From sam at wa4phy.net Wed Oct 5 20:01:55 2005
From: sam at wa4phy.net (Sam Drinkard)
Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 20:01:55 -0400
Subject: [wxqc] Rain gauge data
In-Reply-To: <000c01c5ca08$2c824090$6601a8c0@PC332965051400>
References: <000c01c5ca08$2c824090$6601a8c0@PC332965051400>
Message-ID: <43446973.603@wa4phy.net>
Rick,
If the gauge is the same as the one that comes with the WM-II, there
is an adjustment on each side of the tipping bucket. It can or will add
up to or minus about 2% of the reading. I have an 8" SRG, and I
"calibrated" the Davis using the SRG as always. The Davis gauge now
reads very close to the SRG and my backup 4" gauge. It took the full
extent of the adjustment to get it reading close.
YMMV on the adjustment...
Rick Schwartz wrote:
> *I have a 4" rain gauge and my Davis Vantage Pro2 ISS located*
> *near each other. The 4" gauge is property of NWS as I'm*
> *an observer. My Davis never agrees with the other one. It*
> *always registers less. I understand that's normal for a*
> * "tipping bucket" instrument.*
> **
> *Is there a formula that can be applied to the Davis readings*
> *to correct the difference? Is there anyway the data can be*
> *made accurate to use?*
> **
> *Thanxx*
> *Rick Schwartz*
> *CW3768*
>
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From Evan.Bookbinder at noaa.gov Wed Oct 5 22:04:11 2005
From: Evan.Bookbinder at noaa.gov (Evan Bookbinder)
Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 21:04:11 -0500
Subject: [wxqc] Rain gauge data
Message-ID: <14acf8149ebe.149ebe14acf8@noaa.gov crmsg1.crh.noaa.gov>
Rick,
I would also strongly recommend a MANUAL calibration of the Davis
instrument. Do not adjust knobs for the sake of adjusting them. Using
the manual/standard guage, take a known quantity of water (say 1") and
then pour it slowly through the Davis (while it's offline from your
logging mechanisms). Make sure an inch is registered. Then I would
take another 1.00" of measured liquid from the other guage and dump it
more quickly through the gage (fast enough to similuate a
moderate/heavy rainfall but not an earth shattering deluge). Note any
differences. Calibrate the instrument as needed that way.
If the instrument is flawed, then you should ideally not receive an
inch of rainfall when pouring the water slowly through the Davis
opening.
Evan
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Is there a formula that can be applied to the Davis readings
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Thanxx
Rick Schwartz
CW3768
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From philip at gladstonefamily.net Wed Oct 12 15:10:14 2005
From: philip at gladstonefamily.net (Philip Gladstone)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 15:10:14 -0400
Subject: [wxqc] Re: Temerpature data archive for station KSHN
In-Reply-To: <53FF8A623D17A5459B64558D380AD708048759@hermes.stillwatersci.com>
References: <53FF8A623D17A5459B64558D380AD708048759@hermes.stillwatersci.com>
Message-ID: <434D5F96.4070200@gladstonefamily.net>
Byron,
No -- I probably have data going back a year, but not more than that.
Curiously enough, this is an issue that comes up about once per month.
Does anybody on the list know if there are long term archives of this data?
Philip
Byron Amerson wrote:
> Hello Philip,
>
> I have been trying unsuccessfully to find archived hourly temperature
> data from station KSHN at the Shelton airport. I need data as far back
> as possible to 2000.
>
> Do you have any suggestions?
>
> Thank You,
>
> Byron Amerson
> Aquatic Ecologist
> Stillwatert Sciences
> 1314 43rd St
> Seattle, Wa 98105
> 206.632.7759
>
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From Weather at JaxWeather.net Wed Oct 12 15:55:04 2005
From: Weather at JaxWeather.net (Bob Johnson)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 15:55:04 -0400
Subject: [wxqc] Re: Temerpature data archive for station KSHN
In-Reply-To: <434D5F96.4070200@gladstonefamily.net>
References: <53FF8A623D17A5459B64558D380AD708048759@hermes.stillwatersci.com>
<434D5F96.4070200@gladstonefamily.net>
Message-ID:
How about this?
http://www.weatherunderground.com/history/airport/KSHN/2005/10/12/DailyHistory.html
-Bob
On 10/12/05, Philip Gladstone wrote:
> Byron,
>
> No -- I probably have data going back a year, but not more than that.
>
> Curiously enough, this is an issue that comes up about once per month.
> Does anybody on the list know if there are long term archives of this data?
>
> Philip
>
> Byron Amerson wrote:
> > Hello Philip,
> >
> > I have been trying unsuccessfully to find archived hourly temperature
> > data from station KSHN at the Shelton airport. I need data as far back
> > as possible to 2000.
> >
> > Do you have any suggestions?
> >
> > Thank You,
> >
> > Byron Amerson
> > Aquatic Ecologist
> > Stillwatert Sciences
> > 1314 43rd St
> > Seattle, Wa 98105
> > 206.632.7759
> >
>
>
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From Michael.F.Barth at noaa.gov Wed Oct 12 16:06:01 2005
From: Michael.F.Barth at noaa.gov (Mike Barth)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 20:06:01 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [wxqc] Re: Temerpature data archive for station KSHN
In-Reply-To: <434D5F96.4070200@gladstonefamily.net>
References: <53FF8A623D17A5459B64558D380AD708048759@hermes.stillwatersci.com>
<434D5F96.4070200@gladstonefamily.net>
Message-ID:
The MADIS system (which is used for the QC discussed on this listserver) makes
data available (for most datasets) back to July 2001. For more info see:
http://madis.noaa.gov
Mike
On Wed, 12 Oct 2005, Philip Gladstone wrote:
> Byron,
>
> No -- I probably have data going back a year, but not more than that.
>
> Curiously enough, this is an issue that comes up about once per month. Does
> anybody on the list know if there are long term archives of this data?
>
> Philip
>
> Byron Amerson wrote:
>> Hello Philip,
>>
>> I have been trying unsuccessfully to find archived hourly temperature data
>> from station KSHN at the Shelton airport. I need data as far back as
>> possible to 2000.
>>
>> Do you have any suggestions?
>>
>> Thank You,
>>
>> Byron Amerson
>> Aquatic Ecologist
>> Stillwatert Sciences
>> 1314 43rd St
>> Seattle, Wa 98105
>> 206.632.7759
>>
>
From Byron at stillwatersci.com Wed Oct 12 16:36:12 2005
From: Byron at stillwatersci.com (Byron Amerson)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:36:12 -0700
Subject: [wxqc] Re: Temerpature data archive for station KSHN
Message-ID: <53FF8A623D17A5459B64558D380AD70804875C@hermes.stillwatersci.com>
Thanks,
I'll check it out.
Much appreciated.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Barth [mailto:Michael.F.Barth at noaa.gov]
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 1:06 PM
To: Discussion of weather data quality issues
Cc: Byron Amerson
Subject: Re: [wxqc] Re: Temerpature data archive for station KSHN
The MADIS system (which is used for the QC discussed on this listserver)
makes data available (for most datasets) back to July 2001. For more
info see:
http://madis.noaa.gov
Mike
On Wed, 12 Oct 2005, Philip Gladstone wrote:
> Byron,
>
> No -- I probably have data going back a year, but not more than that.
>
> Curiously enough, this is an issue that comes up about once per month.
> Does anybody on the list know if there are long term archives of this
data?
>
> Philip
>
> Byron Amerson wrote:
>> Hello Philip,
>>
>> I have been trying unsuccessfully to find archived hourly temperature
>> data from station KSHN at the Shelton airport. I need data as far
>> back as possible to 2000.
>>
>> Do you have any suggestions?
>>
>> Thank You,
>>
>> Byron Amerson
>> Aquatic Ecologist
>> Stillwatert Sciences
>> 1314 43rd St
>> Seattle, Wa 98105
>> 206.632.7759
>>
>
From wx at rapidsweather.com Thu Oct 13 10:57:11 2005
From: wx at rapidsweather.com (RapidsWeather.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:57:11 -0600
Subject: [wxqc] temperature calibration
Message-ID: <007801c5d006$642bcb20$6d01a8c0@JimXPMobile>
Original VantagePro station started having problems (would only register
between 9:00 AM and 6:00PM). Davis tech support was surprised it worked as
long as it did and sent a replacement ISS which has replaced in the last
thirty days (included a new temp sensor).
http://weather.gladstonefamily.net/cgi-bin/wxsite.pl?site=cw0499
&Get+information=Get+information
Has shown temperature deviations from what was expected. Tried calibrating
down 2 degrees and up two degrees over the past week and either I am
confused what the data is showing or it didn't seem to have the desired
effect.
Looking for some insight into what I should do to properly remedy the
problem.
Thanks,
- Jim
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From philip at gladstonefamily.net Thu Oct 13 21:11:21 2005
From: philip at gladstonefamily.net (Philip Gladstone)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 21:11:21 -0400
Subject: [wxqc] temperature calibration
In-Reply-To: <007801c5d006$642bcb20$6d01a8c0@JimXPMobile>
References: <007801c5d006$642bcb20$6d01a8c0@JimXPMobile>
Message-ID: <434F05B9.7080900@gladstonefamily.net>
Jim
The current numbers look good. The averages are still off as the
analysis covers a number of days. Let it run for a week and see what
happens.
Philip
RapidsWeather.com wrote:
> Original VantagePro station started having problems (would only register
> between 9:00 AM and 6:00PM). Davis tech support was surprised it worked
> as long as it did and sent a replacement ISS which has replaced in the
> last thirty days (included a new temp sensor).
>
> http://weather.gladstonefamily.net/cgi-bin/wxsite.pl?site=cw0499&Get+information=Get+information
>
>
> Has shown temperature deviations from what was expected. Tried
> calibrating down 2 degrees and up two degrees over the past week and
> either I am confused what the data is showing or it didn't seem to have
> the desired effect.
>
> Looking for some insight into what I should do to properly remedy the
> problem.
>
> Thanks,
>
> - Jim
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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From dennis.carr at supportnow.org Fri Oct 21 15:42:39 2005
From: dennis.carr at supportnow.org (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Dennis=20L.=20Carr?=)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 13:42:39 -0600
Subject: [wxqc] QC Errors for C4227
Message-ID: <20051021194239.18066.qmail@server267.com>
I have a WS2310 Weather Station. It's hard wired using CAT 5 cable and also has wireless sensors. I run the latest version of Heavy Weather and WUHU for data collection and submission. The wind sensors are mounted on a pole 10 feet above my roof. The rain gauge is mounted 2 feet off the ground on a pole about 30 feet in fron of my home and the thermo-hygro sensor is mounted near the rain gauge on a 3 foot pole above the ground. This sensor has a cover on it which I assumed to be a radiation shield. Although I think it's just a weather shield???
I'm getting temperature and dew point errors and the QC page suggests I need a radiation shield for the thermo-hygro sensor. I have another digital thermometer next to it and it reads with in a few tenths of the WS2310 thermo-hygro sensor and I check the rain and compare with a manual gauge and I compares favorably. The barometer and wind seem to be within tolerance.
Do I really need a radiation shield? Will this correct the errors?
WS2310 Specs - http://www.heavyweather.info/new_english_us/index.html
Dennis L. Carr
C4227
http://bellyacres.supportnow.org/weather/currentweather.htm
From Weather at JaxWeather.net Fri Oct 21 15:50:53 2005
From: Weather at JaxWeather.net (Bob Johnson)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 15:50:53 -0400
Subject: [wxqc] QC Errors for C4227
In-Reply-To: <20051021194239.18066.qmail@server267.com>
References: <20051021194239.18066.qmail@server267.com>
Message-ID:
Dennis,
I have a WS-2310 and the shield that comes with it is a poor excuse
for a shield, and does not protect against direct sun influence. I
repositioned mine a number of times but ended up building a small
shield and placing the sensor in a large thicket of very tall bushes
to stop the direct sun temperature spikes...
This page discusses a number of Radiation shield suggestions and if
your sensor has to be exposed to direct sun i would highly recommend
one of them...
http://www.wxqa.com/shields.html
I also have heard of folks buying the Davis Radiation shield and
removing the plastic enclosure completely from the 2310 sensor and
placing the circuit board in that sheild...
http://www.weather-watch.com/smf/index.php/topic,8199.msg59490.html#msg59490
-Bob
On 10/21/05, Dennis L. Carr wrote:
> I have a WS2310 Weather Station. It's hard wired using CAT 5 cable and also has wireless sensors. I run the latest version of Heavy Weather and WUHU for data collection and submission. The wind sensors are mounted on a pole 10 feet above my roof. The rain gauge is mounted 2 feet off the ground on a pole about 30 feet in fron of my home and the thermo-hygro sensor is mounted near the rain gauge on a 3 foot pole above the ground. This sensor has a cover on it which I assumed to be a radiation shield. Although I think it's just a weather shield???
>
> I'm getting temperature and dew point errors and the QC page suggests I need a radiation shield for the thermo-hygro sensor. I have another digital thermometer next to it and it reads with in a few tenths of the WS2310 thermo-hygro sensor and I check the rain and compare with a manual gauge and I compares favorably. The barometer and wind seem to be within tolerance.
>
> Do I really need a radiation shield? Will this correct the errors?
> WS2310 Specs - http://www.heavyweather.info/new_english_us/index.html
>
> Dennis L. Carr
> C4227
> http://bellyacres.supportnow.org/weather/currentweather.htm
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From dshelms at comcast.net Fri Oct 21 16:53:13 2005
From: dshelms at comcast.net (dshelms at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 20:53:13 +0000
Subject: [wxqc] QC Errors for C4227
Message-ID: <102120052053.28104.435955370007308E00006DC822028887449C03040A089C0B@comcast.net>
Hi Dennis,
I agree 100% with Bob. The ideal shield allows "ambient" (mixed atmosphere) air to blow across the temperature probe while denying the sun's rays from striking (directly or even indirectly) the probe.
The WS-2310 "Shield" allows almost NO ventilation, as shown here:
http://www.lacrossetechnology.com/products/pwc/sensors/2310_thermo.html
... while the WS-2310 shield stops direct sunlight, it is a very poor shield for allowing ambient or mixed air to be sampled since the air is trapped inside their stock "cone" shield. On sunny days, this raises your maximum temperature 5-10 F degrees above the actual maximum temperature you should be measuring.
The best way to ensure the temperature and humidity probes are well ventitated is to have a Gill type "bee-hive" shield. The Gill shield is a series of nearly flat disks stacked vertically (painted white (aluminum) or made of white material (plastic) to reflect sunlight) which a 1.5 inch seperation between each disk, with the bottom to middle disks hollowed out in the center to accept the temperature and humidity sensors.
Passively aspirated (no fan) Gill shields work well, but the Cadilac of radiation shields is an actively aspirated shield which pulls amibient air across the temperature and RH probes using a fan (often solar powered as active aspiration is most helpful during the day).
Hope this helps,
Dave
CW0351
> Dennis,
>
> I have a WS-2310 and the shield that comes with it is a poor excuse
> for a shield, and does not protect against direct sun influence. I
> repositioned mine a number of times but ended up building a small
> shield and placing the sensor in a large thicket of very tall bushes
> to stop the direct sun temperature spikes...
>
> This page discusses a number of Radiation shield suggestions and if
> your sensor has to be exposed to direct sun i would highly recommend
> one of them...
> http://www.wxqa.com/shields.html
>
> I also have heard of folks buying the Davis Radiation shield and
> removing the plastic enclosure completely from the 2310 sensor and
> placing the circuit board in that sheild...
> http://www.weather-watch.com/smf/index.php/topic,8199.msg59490.html#msg59490
>
> -Bob
>
> On 10/21/05, Dennis L. Carr wrote:
> > I have a WS2310 Weather Station. It's hard wired using CAT 5 cable and also
> has wireless sensors. I run the latest version of Heavy Weather and WUHU for
> data collection and submission. The wind sensors are mounted on a pole 10 feet
> above my roof. The rain gauge is mounted 2 feet off the ground on a pole about
> 30 feet in fron of my home and the thermo-hygro sensor is mounted near the rain
> gauge on a 3 foot pole above the ground. This sensor has a cover on it which I
> assumed to be a radiation shield. Although I think it's just a weather shield???
> >
> > I'm getting temperature and dew point errors and the QC page suggests I need a
> radiation shield for the thermo-hygro sensor. I have another digital thermometer
> next to it and it reads with in a few tenths of the WS2310 thermo-hygro sensor
> and I check the rain and compare with a manual gauge and I compares favorably.
> The barometer and wind seem to be within tolerance.
> >
> > Do I really need a radiation shield? Will this correct the errors?
> > WS2310 Specs - http://www.heavyweather.info/new_english_us/index.html
> >
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From tbarstow at earthlink.net Mon Oct 24 17:01:38 2005
From: tbarstow at earthlink.net (Thomas Barstow)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 17:01:38 -0400
Subject: [wxqc] Fw: Top 5 Smart Ass Answers for 2005
Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.0.20051024170034.01ee6d88@pop.earthlink.net>
I figured everyone could have a brighter day with these answers.
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>TOP 5 SMART ASS ANSWERS FOR 2005...according to Reader's Digest:
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>Smart Ass Answer #5:
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>A flight attendant was stationed at the departure gate to check
>tickets. As a man approached, she extended her hand for the ticket.
>I instead he opened his trench coat and flashed her. Without missing
>a beat...she said, "Sir, I need to see your ticket not your stub."
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>Smart Ass Answer #4:
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>A lady was shopping for a turkey at the grocery store, but she
>couldn't find one big enough for her family. She asked a stock boy,
>"Do these turkeys get any bigger?" The stock boy replied," No ma'am
>they're dead
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>Smart Ass Answer #3:
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>The cop got out of his car and the kid who was stopped for speeding
>rolled down his window. "I've been waiting for you all day," the cop
>said. The kid replied, "Yeah, well I got here as fast as I could."
>When the cop finally stopped laughing, he sent the kid on his way
>without a ticket.
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>Smart Ass Answer #2:
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>A truck driver was driving along on the freeway. A sign comes up
>that reads, "Low Bridge Ahead." Before he knows it, the bridge is
>right Ahead of him and he gets stuck under the bridge. Cars are
>backed up for miles. Finally, a police car comes up. The cop gets
>out of his car and walks up to the truck driver, puts his hands on
>his hips and says, "Got stuck, huh?" The truck driver says, "No, I
>was delivering this bridge and ran out of gas."
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>AND NOW...FOR THE BEST ONE...#1 SMART ASS
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>ANSWER OF THE YEAR 2005.
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>A college teacher reminds her class of tomorrow's final exam.
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>
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>"Now class, I won't tolerate any excuses for you not being here
>tomorrow. I might consider a nuclear attack or a serious personal
>injury or illness, or a death in your immediate family, but that's
>it, no other excuses whatsoever!"
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>
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>A smart-ass guy in the back of the room raised his hand and asked,
>"What would you say if tomorrow I said I was suffering from complete
>and utter sexual exhaustion?" The entire class is reduced to
>laughter and snickering. When silence is finally restored, the
>teacher smiles knowingly at the student, shakes her head and sweetly
>says, "Well, I guess you'd have to write the exam with your other hand!"
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>
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From: dshelms at comcast.net (dshelms at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 21:45:01 +0000
Subject: [wxqc] Fw: Top 5 Smart Ass Answers for 2005
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Hi Tom... this is an appropriate place to post "smart ass" response lists.
Dave
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